Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[sfam]

i think Joakim Noah is a easy but lazy and undersell of Noel. Noel has a very special feel for the game. 4 blocks, 2 steals, and 1.6 apg for a "raw" prospect that was really an afterthought for a good chunk of the games that he played is incredible. Even with the injury I think he stands a very good chance of being significantly better than Noah and Chandler.

How would that be different from a "rich person's" Noah? He's still very much like Noah, but better, both on D but also in finishing on offense.

[BruceO]

I saw this picture of otto porter, jeff green and greg monroe going to support hibbert at the eastern conference finals and i thought he's one of them and i want him on our squad. If there was another way to acquire ilyasova and henson for something other than porter, beal or wall i would. If he's gone i trade it in a heartbeat..if he's there and they throw in the 15th i'll hesitate..cause i may use the 15th to move up into adams territory. Henson and ilyasova are players in this league and have had huge spikes in some performances, henson got 25 boards off the bench. Best ever since rodman, where would he go in this draft? I want them all on this squad including porter.

[nate33]

So what do we do if Cleveland demands a future 1st from us to move up to #1. If we don't, they'll threaten to go ahead and draft Porter and leave us with the nightmare scenario of having neither Noel or Porter on the board.

Do we consider Noel to be so much better of an option than Bennett that's it's worth sacrificing a future 1st? (I'd definitely give up the #38, I'm just conflicted about giving up anything more.)

I think the nightmare scenario contingency plan is to let Cleveland deal with the consequences of their spite. We can easily draft McLemore and trade him for Zeller/Adams/Len AND dump Ves/Singleton. Cleveland would be worse off in the long run in not getting a Center while paying Porter #1 overall money while we get to still add depth and shed dead weight.

While I agree that we shouldn't let Cleveland roll us in a game of chicken, I don't agree with your prescription for what to do at #3. I see no value whatsoever in "dumping" Vesely or Singleton. If we want to dump them, just decline their 4th year and live with them on the roster for one more season. There's no reason to trade down just for cap relief.

One possible permutation of using that #3 pick in a trade down would be to work out a 3-way involving an under-the-cap lotto team in need of a SG (Charlotte, Phoenix, New Orleans) and Dallas. Basically, we trade down from 3 to 5 or 6, in exchange for one of those teams to absorb Vince Carter or Marion from Dallas, with Dallas' #12 pick going to us (and our #38 going to Dallas). The end result is that we traded #3 and #38 for #6 and #12. We draft Bennett or Zeller at #6, and Adams at #12.

[nate33]

Cleveland trading down only works if they have two players they are equally OK with. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cavs would be happy with Olapido as much as Porter. Olapido shows up really well on the analytics, so its not out of the realm of possibility. This would give them a great 3 guard rotation. Waiters could play with Olapido just fine. If this is the case, they would be more worried that the Suns or Bobcats want someone other than Olapido - most likely Noel or Mclemore.

I'm operating under the assumption that Cleveland values Porter significantly more than anybody else except Noel. The logic being that they already have Waiters to play SG and are therefore less than thrilled with the idea of landing McLemore or Oladipo. Porter has great analytics AND is a great fit. Oladipo merely has great analytics.

[sfam]

So what do we do if Cleveland demands a future 1st from us to move up to #1. If we don't, they'll threaten to go ahead and draft Porter and leave us with the nightmare scenario of having neither Noel or Porter on the board.

Do we consider Noel to be so much better of an option than Bennett that's it's worth sacrificing a future 1st? (I'd definitely give up the #38, I'm just conflicted about giving up anything more.)

I think the nightmare scenario contingency plan is to let Cleveland deal with the consequences of their spite. We can easily draft McLemore and trade him for Zeller/Adams/Len AND dump Ves/Singleton. Cleveland would be worse off in the long run in not getting a Center while paying Porter #1 overall money while we get to still add depth and shed dead weight.

While I agree that we shouldn't let Cleveland roll us in a game of chicken, I don't agree with your prescription for what to do at #3. I see no value whatsoever in "dumping" Vesely or Singleton. If we want to dump them, just decline their 4th year and live with them on the roster for one more season. There's no reason to trade down just for cap relief.

One possible permutation of using that #3 pick in a trade down would be to work out a 3-way involving an under-the-cap lotto team in need of a SG (Charlotte, Phoenix, New Orleans) and Dallas. Basically, we trade down from 3 to 5 or 6, in exchange for one of those teams to absorb Vince Carter or Marion from Dallas, with Dallas' #12 pick going to us (and our #38 going to Dallas). The end result is that we traded #3 and #38 for #6 and #12. We draft Bennett or Zeller at #6, and Adams at #12.

That woud be a dream scenario. I'd love that, and might even consider agreeing to renew EG's contract if he were able to pull that off. a Bennet/Zeller + Adams draft would be stellar.

[sfam]

Cleveland trading down only works if they have two players they are equally OK with. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cavs would be happy with Olapido as much as Porter. Olapido shows up really well on the analytics, so its not out of the realm of possibility. This would give them a great 3 guard rotation. Waiters could play with Olapido just fine. If this is the case, they would be more worried that the Suns or Bobcats want someone other than Olapido - most likely Noel or Mclemore.

I'm operating under the assumption that Cleveland values Porter significantly more than anybody else except Noel. The logic being that they already have Waiters to play SG and are therefore less than thrilled with the idea of landing McLemore or Oladipo. Porter has great analytics AND is a great fit. Oladipo merely has great analytics.

Waiters is a legit combo guard. Having a solid 3 guard rotation would be a great outcome for Cleveland, similar to how the Wizards might have picked CJM at #8. If Cleveland sees Olapido as the best player coming out of the draft, they might consider a slight trade-down. Otherwise, for the reasons you state, if they only want Porter, they are probably stuck choosing him at the #1. They may not consider that maximal value.

[pancakes3]

While I agree that we shouldn't let Cleveland roll us in a game of chicken, I don't agree with your prescription for what to do at #3. I see no value whatsoever in "dumping" Vesely or Singleton. If we want to dump them, just decline their 4th year and live with them on the roster for one more season. There's no reason to trade down just for cap relief.

I was thinking mostly for roster spots. Clearing out the chaff lets us take a 2 year chance on guys like Jaiteh, Murphy, and Green. Otherwise, we'll inevitably sell one if not both of the 2nd rounders.

[queridiculo]

The way I see it we either get Porter or Noel, with my preference being the latter. This team needs a big man prospect and has the time to hold out for Noel to heal and contribute the following season.

I'd entertain a trade down scenario that would net us Len or Dieng along with a 2014 first round selection.

Everything else would be a waste in my opinion.

[fishercob]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... /index.jsp

Bennett says his standing reach measured at 8'9".

[GhostsOfGil]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/anthony-bennett-interview-6-13-13/index.jsp

Bennett says his standing reach measured at 8'9".

Ouch. Not terrible but definitely on the very low end to have legit 4 size.

[Dat2U]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/anthony-bennett-interview-6-13-13/index.jsp

Bennett says his standing reach measured at 8'9".

Same as Blake Griffin. But Blake Griffin is a freak of nature.

By comparison Otto Porter has a standing reach of 8'9.5". Is anyone banking on Porter playing PF at the next level?

[tontoz]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/anthony-bennett-interview-6-13-13/index.jsp

Bennett says his standing reach measured at 8'9".

That doesn't help his case.

[AFM]

Don't see how it hurts it. As Dat said, that's the same as Griffin. He's more skilled than Griffin IMO.

[fugop]

So, assuming (best case scenario) Bennett's measurements are 6'7" with shoes, 7'1" wingspan, and 8'9" reach, he's smaller than Porter in every measure. He's just got 40 lbs on Otto.

[Ruzious]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/anthony-bennett-interview-6-13-13/index.jsp

Bennett says his standing reach measured at 8'9".

That doesn't help his case.

I'd go farther and say that pretty much eliminates him from discussion as the 3rd pick - not that he won't be an effective player, but there are too many limitations to pick him that high.

[Ruzious]

Don't see how it hurts it. As Dat said, that's the same as Griffin. He's more skilled than Griffin IMO.

But also as Dat said - Griffin's a freak. Bennett just isn't. So the Griffin comp's simply don't work.

[GhostsOfGil]

He definitely seems like a really good kid.

Those are some disappointing measurements. Assuming we keep the pick and if Noel and Porter are gone do we still take Bennett? Now I'm not so sure.

[tontoz]

Don't see how it hurts it. As Dat said, that's the same as Griffin. He's more skilled than Griffin IMO.

I was hoping for better. Porter becomes even more of a clear favorite for me.

[AFM]

Ruz, yes he isn't as athletic as Griffin is (I'm not sure anyone in the league is) but Bennett's still an athletic freak in his own right. Griffin measured in at a 35.5" vertical leap. We don't know what Bennett's is now, but canadianprospects.ca lists it at 34". This is probably from his high school days.

[tontoz]

I can't rationalize picking him at 3 now knowing his standing reach. It was easier when i didn't know.