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Post#21 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:48 pm

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DCsOwn wrote:I don't see any reason why Beal can't be Ray Allen's equal. I watched a ton of UConn games when Allen was playing for that program and to me, 20 yr old Beal is every bit as good as 20 year old Allen. He shoots it just as well as Ray did, he handles it about as well as Ray did, he's a sneaky, strong athlete in the same way that Ray was, he's incredibly savvy like Ray was, and he is clearly the type of worker Ray is/was. I really think this kid is about to be a perennial all-star at the two as soon as next season.

I agree with what you are saying, that's why I don't understand why he not getting that attention. The Wizards are a good team to join. Yeah they may not have a great front court but that wing is IMO what should be motivating to come here. Yet once again, nobody saying a word on Beal. Beal is looking star talent like from his draft class, in which was a draft that people said AD was the only star talent there. I have to get a laugh out of people that wanted MKG over Beal.lol.


Bro. This year no one is talking about him because 1 its freakin preseason, 2 Davis is absolutely killing it, and 3 we're the wizards. Also MKG is a hell of a player and was a fantastic prospect, Beal was the obvious choice but I wouldnt start pointing fingers.
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Post#22 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:27 am

nuposse04 wrote:Beal is making lots of smart and "unspectacular" plays. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a more impactful player then Kyrie, but Kyrie's game has some flash to it, that sells well with average viewers.

I'm sure this could change as Beal's game expands but I don't think he'll get the national attention he deserves until he hits some more GW shots or dunks on somebody. Which is too bad because he's just looking outstanding right now, all things considered.


Very different players playing different positions, it's tough to compare them straight up. Kyrie's handle is incredibly tight and he's a spectacular shooter. Beal's a spectacular shooter too, but Kyrie's a better off the dribble shooter than Beal.

But I agree with you based on what I think Beal projects to be--something between D Wade and Ray Allen. Beal is already a tremendously better defender than Kyrie. Clearly a far better rebounder. And capable of being nearly as efficient and high volume a scorer. He's far more of a physical presence and can wear opponents down more (he's a SG and not a PG after all). I think that adds up to being more valuable to a team in the Wins and Losses column.

I'm also in a minority that thinks Wall is a better and more valuable player than Kyrie too, for a lot of the same reasons. Not much weaker of a scorer, far better at every other aspect of the game. Kyrie is an absolutely amazing scorer though. In a year or two, he might be the clear greatest scoring guard in the game.
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Post#23 » by Kanyewest » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:19 am

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DCsOwn wrote:I don't see any reason why Beal can't be Ray Allen's equal. I watched a ton of UConn games when Allen was playing for that program and to me, 20 yr old Beal is every bit as good as 20 year old Allen. He shoots it just as well as Ray did, he handles it about as well as Ray did, he's a sneaky, strong athlete in the same way that Ray was, he's incredibly savvy like Ray was, and he is clearly the type of worker Ray is/was. I really think this kid is about to be a perennial all-star at the two as soon as next season.

I agree with what you are saying, that's why I don't understand why he not getting that attention. The Wizards are a good team to join. Yeah they may not have a great front court but that wing is IMO what should be motivating to come here. Yet once again, nobody saying a word on Beal. Beal is looking star talent like from his draft class, in which was a draft that people said AD was the only star talent there. I have to get a laugh out of people that wanted MKG over Beal.lol.


Bro. This year no one is talking about him because 1 its freakin preseason, 2 Davis is absolutely killing it, and 3 we're the wizards. Also MKG is a hell of a player and was a fantastic prospect, Beal was the obvious choice but I wouldnt start pointing fingers.


I actually didn't know that Davis was playing well. I really liked how Beal has played but he needs to do it in meaningful games. He'll start getting his "hype" if he keeps playing like this in the regular season.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#24 » by payitforward » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:04 pm

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nuposse04 wrote:Beal is making lots of smart and "unspectacular" plays. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a more impactful player then Kyrie, but Kyrie's game has some flash to it, that sells well with average viewers.

I'm sure this could change as Beal's game expands but I don't think he'll get the national attention he deserves until he hits some more GW shots or dunks on somebody. Which is too bad because he's just looking outstanding right now, all things considered.


Very different players playing different positions, it's tough to compare them straight up. Kyrie's handle is incredibly tight and he's a spectacular shooter. Beal's a spectacular shooter too, but Kyrie's a better off the dribble shooter than Beal.

But I agree with you based on what I think Beal projects to be--something between D Wade and Ray Allen. Beal is already a tremendously better defender than Kyrie. Clearly a far better rebounder. And capable of being nearly as efficient and high volume a scorer. He's far more of a physical presence and can wear opponents down more (he's a SG and not a PG after all). I think that adds up to being more valuable to a team in the Wins and Losses column.

I'm also in a minority that thinks Wall is a better and more valuable player than Kyrie too, for a lot of the same reasons. Not much weaker of a scorer, far better at every other aspect of the game. Kyrie is an absolutely amazing scorer though. In a year or two, he might be the clear greatest scoring guard in the game.

Irving came in and had a really incredible rookie year. But he was actually down slightly last year, and Wall -- even on the year, not just his springtime performance -- had a slightly higher WS40.

For two guys at the same position it's hard to compare them because they're so different. Wall's potential is off the charts, but he is a very up and down player. Irving doesn't seem to have that kind of upside, but he's awfully good right out of the box.
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Post#25 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:30 pm

Holy crap, just looked up his stats. B Rad is averaging 21.4 points per game, 51.2 FG%, and 44.4 3FG%, in on 29 minutes per game so far.
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Post#26 » by DCZards » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:47 pm

^^^^ Yup, Double B is the real deal. A big THANK YOU to Michael Jordan for passing on him to draft MKG.
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Post#27 » by deneem4 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:48 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Holy crap, just looked up his stats. B Rad is averaging 21.4 points per game, 51.2 FG%, and 44.4 3FG%, in on 29 minutes per game so far.


Monster season for beal this yr...he will be an allstar...jus need wall to match tht productivity and we'll be a mid seed
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Post#28 » by hands11 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:28 pm

DCZards wrote:^^^^ Yup, Double B is the real deal. A big THANK YOU to Michael Jordan for passing on him to draft MKG.


I was jumping off the coach when that happened.

That was a pin and needles moment. Remember how we already picked up Trevor A and Okafor and it looked like we played our hand. It was Beal or bust in my book at the time. There were other good players, but we needed more then just a player, we needed a personality to build around. Wall needed a partner and Beal fits perfectly in that regard.

I was all in for Beal for the Wizards. There was a lot of MKG love on the board but I wasn't feeling it at all. I was very anti MKG for the Wizards.

Another player I felt would be a good prospect for the Wiz was T Rob. I expect him to look a lot better in year 2. It should start with more rebounds. The offense will come after that.
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Post#29 » by hands11 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:31 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Holy crap, just looked up his stats. B Rad is averaging 21.4 points per game, 51.2 FG%, and 44.4 3FG%, in on 29 minutes per game so far.


Where you getting preseason stats from ?
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Post#30 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:35 pm

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GhostsOfGil wrote:Holy crap, just looked up his stats. B Rad is averaging 21.4 points per game, 51.2 FG%, and 44.4 3FG%, in on 29 minutes per game so far.


Where you getting preseason stats from ?


Just did it myself from looking at the game logs.
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Post#31 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:06 pm

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nuposse04 wrote:Beal is making lots of smart and "unspectacular" plays. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a more impactful player then Kyrie, but Kyrie's game has some flash to it, that sells well with average viewers.

I'm sure this could change as Beal's game expands but I don't think he'll get the national attention he deserves until he hits some more GW shots or dunks on somebody. Which is too bad because he's just looking outstanding right now, all things considered.


Very different players playing different positions, it's tough to compare them straight up. Kyrie's handle is incredibly tight and he's a spectacular shooter. Beal's a spectacular shooter too, but Kyrie's a better off the dribble shooter than Beal.

But I agree with you based on what I think Beal projects to be--something between D Wade and Ray Allen. Beal is already a tremendously better defender than Kyrie. Clearly a far better rebounder. And capable of being nearly as efficient and high volume a scorer. He's far more of a physical presence and can wear opponents down more (he's a SG and not a PG after all). I think that adds up to being more valuable to a team in the Wins and Losses column.

I'm also in a minority that thinks Wall is a better and more valuable player than Kyrie too, for a lot of the same reasons. Not much weaker of a scorer, far better at every other aspect of the game. Kyrie is an absolutely amazing scorer though. In a year or two, he might be the clear greatest scoring guard in the game.

Irving came in and had a really incredible rookie year. But he was actually down slightly last year, and Wall -- even on the year, not just his springtime performance -- had a slightly higher WS40.

For two guys at the same position it's hard to compare them because they're so different. Wall's potential is off the charts, but he is a very up and down player. Irving doesn't seem to have that kind of upside, but he's awfully good right out of the box.


Kyrie was great right out of the box. Came into the league with a tremendous array of scoring tools and he shot the ball really well immediately, and that's rare. Especially from a 19 year old. I agree that his upside doesn't match Wall's. He's not as big or strong or fast or explosive as Wall. He's not quite as good at getting to the rim and converting inside, though he is very good at this. He's definitely not the facilitator Wall is. And he's definitely not as good a defender. Wall's been getting better on D to the point where he might be a legitimately dominant defender soon. He's certainly a unique defender for a PG, he can play off the ball and offer weak side help and protect the rim in the paint like a forward.

Kyrie isn't a good defensive player and the Cavs are poor defensive team. Kyrie came into the league without much understanding of team defense and almost no experience playing in a real defensive system. He might get a lot better, but I have a hard time seeing him becoming a good defender. Plus the Cavs really have no foundation for good defense unless Andrew Bynum actually pans out. The team is full of crappy defenders and is undersized in the front court with everyone except Bynum and Varejao, neither stay healthy.
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Post#32 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:33 pm

The movements Beal makes on the court used to remind me of Ray Allen. Just how smooth everything was. How he just kind of picked his way around the floor, searching for shots, moving off the ball. Everything looked effortless, not particularly explosive. Smooth handles, smooth footwork, upright posture, sneaky strength and speed.

But now Beal seems like a much more physical presence. I see the DWade comparison in him much more now. He had a strong body before, but it looks like he's grown stronger and he really wears opponents down like Wade does. He runs guys ragged when moving off the ball and he takes it to them. He's always been fearless in who he'll try and launch on, but now I feel like you want to get out of his way. And he wears guys out when he plays D. You see the blocks and the boards and the energy to run through screens all night and body up players and get into the paint.

The polish on his finishes is still not comparable to Wade. But he's gotten far better. If he keeps improving and gets nearly as skillful as Wall, he'll be an unstoppable inside out scorer.

I'm thinking the pre-draft knocks on Beal being undersized are going to end up being really wide of the mark. He and Wall are going to end up being one of the most physically imposing backcourts in the league.
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Post#33 » by payitforward » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:40 am

stevemcqueen1 wrote:The movements Beal makes on the court used to remind me of Ray Allen. Just how smooth everything was. How he just kind of picked his way around the floor, searching for shots, moving off the ball. Everything looked effortless, not particularly explosive. Smooth handles, smooth footwork, upright posture, sneaky strength and speed.

But now Beal seems like a much more physical presence. I see the DWade comparison in him much more now. He had a strong body before, but it looks like he's grown stronger and he really wears opponents down like Wade does. He runs guys ragged when moving off the ball and he takes it to them. He's always been fearless in who he'll try and launch on, but now I feel like you want to get out of his way. And he wears guys out when he plays D. You see the blocks and the boards and the energy to run through screens all night and body up players and get into the paint.

The polish on his finishes is still not comparable to Wade. But he's gotten far better. If he keeps improving and gets nearly as skillful as Wall, he'll be an unstoppable inside out scorer.

I'm thinking the pre-draft knocks on Beal being undersized are going to end up being really wide of the mark. He and Wall are going to end up being one of the most physically imposing backcourts in the league.

Agree altogether about Beal -- especially size. He looks really big, and the kid is built like a linebacker! Well, upper body anyway. Likely still growing too; he just turned 20.

But it's too early to compare him to names that got to be names based on many years of consistent excellence. Anyway, to me, he just looks like Bradley Beal.
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Post#34 » by Knighthonor » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:33 am

anybody know where I can view the highlights from last game against the NOP? NBA.com not showing anything.
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Post#35 » by Higga » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:52 pm

I said at the end of last season Beal would be an All-Star this year, hell yeah I'm sticking with it.

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Post#36 » by BruceO » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:13 am

Someone should stick a tape measure to Beal and figure out how tall he actually is now and stop our speculating. I mean how hard can it be? How come no one does this. Wall too. It would be a far more Interesting story for us junkies than Anything else going on. Wonder how come those with access just take his word for it that he grew without us knowing how much
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Post#37 » by SizzlinSimms » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:20 am

Going to be the Wizards leading scorer.

Truly think he'll be a candidate for MIP, but will lose out to Anthony Davis whether deserved or not.
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Post#38 » by hands11 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:01 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bra ... Logs/24148


.519 FG and .472 3FG, .800 FT, 2.9 FTAs, 2.9 RBs, 1.6 Ast, 1.3, stls, 20.7 PTs
in 30 min for the preseason.

If he played 35 mins a game, he could easily post All Star numbers.

Gotta get that FT% up a little more. No reason for him not to be shooting .850 or better but with only 20 FTA, its a small sample size. One miss counts for a lot.

And he is only 20 years old.. Finally we got one right. And he is a solid young man. Bright future.
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Post#39 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:06 pm

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:The movements Beal makes on the court used to remind me of Ray Allen. Just how smooth everything was. How he just kind of picked his way around the floor, searching for shots, moving off the ball. Everything looked effortless, not particularly explosive. Smooth handles, smooth footwork, upright posture, sneaky strength and speed.

But now Beal seems like a much more physical presence. I see the DWade comparison in him much more now. He had a strong body before, but it looks like he's grown stronger and he really wears opponents down like Wade does. He runs guys ragged when moving off the ball and he takes it to them. He's always been fearless in who he'll try and launch on, but now I feel like you want to get out of his way. And he wears guys out when he plays D. You see the blocks and the boards and the energy to run through screens all night and body up players and get into the paint.

The polish on his finishes is still not comparable to Wade. But he's gotten far better. If he keeps improving and gets nearly as skillful as Wall, he'll be an unstoppable inside out scorer.

I'm thinking the pre-draft knocks on Beal being undersized are going to end up being really wide of the mark. He and Wall are going to end up being one of the most physically imposing backcourts in the league.

Agree altogether about Beal -- especially size. He looks really big, and the kid is built like a linebacker! Well, upper body anyway. Likely still growing too; he just turned 20.

But it's too early to compare him to names that got to be names based on many years of consistent excellence. Anyway, to me, he just looks like Bradley Beal.


I agree. He's still defined by his potential and so people often make these kinds of comparisons to define him tangibly in the mind's eye.

Eventually he'll have enough production that you can just say Bradley Beal and people will know exactly what skill set you mean, just like we do for Allen and Wade.

The comparisons definitely aren't clean, players are so individual that they never are. I think it's important to note in a comparison to Allen that Beal has a long way to go before he'll be the kind of shooter Allen is. But Allen's the best. Similarly, in the Wade comparison, it's important to dsitinguish that, at one point, Wade was the best finisher at the guard position, maybe the best finisher in the game. And he was also the most physically intimidating and well rounded guard during his prime. He's bigger than Beal. Important differences because Allen was basically the platonic ideal shooter at the SG position and Wade was the platonic ideal slasher.

But, some of the elements of what made Allen and Wade great shooting guards are there in Beal, even if it's to a lesser extent. The fact that he's got some of both makes it really easy to get carried away with his potential. With his athleticism and build and inside scoring ability, it's really really rare to also get such a great shooter.
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Post#40 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:15 pm

hands11 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bradley-Beal/GameLogs/24148


.519 FG and .472 3FG, .800 FT, 2.9 FTAs, 2.9 RBs, 1.6 Ast, 1.3, stls, 20.7 PTs
in 30 min for the preseason.

If he played 35 mins a game, he could easily post All Star numbers.

Gotta get that FT% up a little more. No reason for him not to be shooting .850 or better but with only 20 FTA, its a small sample size. One miss counts for a lot.

And he is only 20 years old.. Finally we got one right. And he is a solid young man. Bright future.


80% on FTs is pretty good for a second year guard like him. That number will likely trend upwards for the next few years. The FTA is the interesting number for me, I want to see him in that 6 per game range eventually so that I know he's being aggressive and getting to the line like a star scorer. Between him and Wall, we should be able to put a ton of pressure on teams and get guys into foul trouble.

Beal's improvement has seemingly been really rapid. Most guards don't make a leap as players until the third or fourth year. Especially one and dones. Beal is amazingly precocious, just someone who "gets it" and doesn't seem to have much problem actualizing his talent. This is something that was noticeable going back to his freshman year at Florida, where he was practically the best player on the team from day one. Florida has a good program too.

I would love to see both Wall and Beal make the AS team this season. If they perform like that, this team's ceiling is pretty wide open.

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