Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[sogood]

Lowry is their starting point guard. Behind him they have D.J. Augustin and Dwight Buycks. Seems kinda obvious that Toronto is not trading Kyle Lowry! Not to mention that he's one of the best point guards in the game, and there's no getting a guy like that, even if he were available, for broken pieces like Seraphin, Singleton, Maynor, et. al.

I'd love to have Amir Johnson. Taken *after* Andray Blatche in the same draft btw!

But Jason Thompson is a zero; no help there. Just another contract to worry about.

Lmao.

Paul-
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Wall
Lawson
Lillard
Holiday
Conley

All clearly better than him. I didn't even mention players who is probably better like Rubio, Teague and Carter-Williams.

Laugh away, fool. Why don't you check their numbers?

I did. Did you?

Lowry: This season- 13/4/5 41% shooting
Last season- 11/4/6 on 40% shooting

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[payitforward]

Lmao.

Paul-
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Wall
Lawson
Lillard
Holiday
Conley

All clearly better than him. I didn't even mention players who is probably better like Rubio, Teague and Carter-Williams.

Laugh away, fool. Why don't you check their numbers?

I did. Did you?

Lowry: This season- 13/4/5 41% shooting
Last season- 11/4/6 on 40% shooting

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Just so we're clear: right after I hit submit I put you on ignore -- not because you're a twerp who keeps tripping over the FT line, not because you know nothing but whatever names someone puts in front of you, and not because you're disrespectful, especially for someone with as many pimples as you have, but because you have a stupid avatar that advertises your dimwittedness.

Kyle Lowry was the leading rebounder among NBA PGs last year, and -- since you bring up his FG% -- he had quite a high TS% (54%). His FG% was low because he takes a very high % of 3-pointers (did you look at that number, hmmm?). Most people in the league recognize him as a top point guard.

[Illuminaire]

I would argue that Lowry is both overrated and underrated at the same time. He's pretty efficient, but he's also bizarrely low usage for a PG. His assist percentage has never been great, and his turnover % is actually high for a guy who seems to stick to safe passes and clean shots.

Don't take this the wrong way. I like him. I think in his prime, he was above average and a great, great bargain. Now he's 28 and hitting the decline phase of his career, and while Kyle is still good... I don't think he's one of the best PGs in the league. I think he's a solid starter, and comes cheaper than several inferior players, but he's not a difference maker. I'm not sure he ever was, but he's definitely not now.

[sogood]

Laugh away, fool. Why don't you check their numbers?

I did. Did you?

Lowry: This season- 13/4/5 41% shooting
Last season- 11/4/6 on 40% shooting

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Just so we're clear: right after I hit submit I put you on ignore -- not because you're a twerp who keeps tripping over the FT line, not because you know nothing but whatever names someone puts in front of you, and not because you're disrespectful, especially for someone with as many pimples as you have, but because you have a stupid avatar that advertises your dimwittedness.

Kyle Lowry was the leading rebounder among NBA PGs last year, and -- since you bring up his FG% -- he had quite a high TS% (54%). His FG% was low because he takes a very high % of 3-pointers (did you look at that number, hmmm?). Most people in the league recognize him as a top point guard.

lol he mad.

I guess some people don't like to be called out on their bs.

[deneem4]

Webster
For
Anthony bennet

[Ruzious]

Lmao.

Paul-
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Wall
Lawson
Lillard
Holiday
Conley

All clearly better than him. I didn't even mention players who is probably better like Rubio, Teague and Carter-Williams.

Laugh away, fool. Why don't you check their numbers?

I did. Did you?

Lowry: This season- 13/4/5 41% shooting
Last season- 11/4/6 on 40% shooting

Stop embarrassing yourself.

That's quite an evaluation.

Please go away now.

[TGW]

Lowry was 14th in PER amongst point guards last year, behind the likes of Jose Calderon and Goran Dragic, and just a tad better than Nate Robinson.

Sorry, he's nowhere close to being one of the best point guards in the NBA.

[Nivek]

PER is a flawed metric. It rewards players for shooting more often so long as they make ~27% of those extra FGA.

In my measure (which appropriately handles offensive efficiency), Lowry rated 12th among the players b-r identified as PGs. His PPA was just a shade below Wall's 139. He did rate behind Calderon (who is HUGELY underrated), but a little ahead of Dragic.

[TGW]

Webster
For
Anthony bennet

How could Cleveland say no to such an awesome offer....

[Illuminaire]

PER is a flawed metric. It rewards players for shooting more often so long as they make ~27% of those extra FGA.

In my measure (which appropriately handles offensive efficiency), Lowry rated 12th among the players b-r identified as PGs. His PPA was just a shade below Wall's 139. He did rate behind Calderon (who is HUGELY underrated), but a little ahead of Dragic.

Twelve feels high, but Lowry does do a lot of things well. How do the PG ranks break down "tier"-wise, Nivek? (I'm mainly wondering how much separation there is between Lowry and the guys who are better/worse than him.)

It's all academic though. He's good. He's not good enough to be realistically called "one of the best". But he's good.

[LyricalRico]

Another dump Nene trade, this time a 4-way...

Wizards trade: Nene, Vesely, Booker and Singleton
Wizards receive: Thompson, Wallace and Lee

Kings trade: Thompson and 2nd
Kings receive: Vesely and Booker

Raptors trade: Novak and 2nd
Raptors receive: Singleton

Celtics trace: Wallace and Lee
Celtics receive: Nene, Novak, and SAC/TOR 2nds

TRADE ID 6346735

The Kings and Raptors both save longterm salary, while Boston shuffles contracts without adding much actual salary and gets some picks. Washington trades for probably the only contracts they could get in return for Nene.

Gortat/Seraphin
Thompson/Ariza/Harrington
Webster/Wallace/Porter
Beal/Lee/GR2
Wall/Maynor

Pretty much dictates that we use Ariza at PF and move Webster back into the starting lineup (which most seem to want). Depth is much better after this, and we could make sure Porter comes along only when fully healthy.

Does add to our 2014 cap, though. But if Wallace fits in well, shopping Lee+Porter next summer could net some interesting results. Maybe Ersan if Milwaukee struggles and wants to cut some costs?

[TGW]

Hey Rico—do you still trust Ernie?

[queridiculo]

Not sure why anybody would trade for Nene at this point. Maybe if we threw in our lottery protected 2014 pick. Oops.

[Hidden Eye]

Trade Nene for a younger pf who can actually last a season and bring post season success.. which will be never

[hands11]

Philly doesn't really want to be winning right now.

Nene to Philly for Hawes and Turner. They can even have Singleton

We get a center and a much needed player that can dribble and Philly has the cap room to get Nene's contract so Nene can play here and there and collect his check.

We get cap relief if we want it.

Wall/Maynor
Beal/Webster/Temple
Turner/Glen Rice/Otto
Trevor A/Kevin/Ves/Booker
Hawes/Gortat

We have the extra ball handler (kind of), shooter, driver our starting line up needs and two centers. And Hawes has range which could open things wide open for Wall and Beal.

Bring in new HC that any new GM would have happy to keep.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/11/4/50641 ... izards-nba

The new GM would have lots of way to go with assets to keep, let go, trade, cap space if wanted, etc.

[deneem4]

Philly wont do tht trade hawes value is high righ now...turners even higher and theyre both expiring...maybe if we still had our pick we could
Anyway
And il take thad over turner...another sg/sf is not what we need..considering we have webster n rice jr...thad can play 4 n 3 effectively...

Jeff green would be the only celtics trade I make...il take gerald wallace if we can move nene for those 2..tht would give our team some attitude...
Illyasova still available...maybe we can create my dream team...
Bucks trade..illyasova
Get ariza
76ers trade hawes/thad/
Get nene/booker/our 2015 1st rd/

Our lineup becomes(it wouldve been better with okafor instead of gortat)

Wall/maynor
Beal/rice jr/temple
Thad/webster/porter/singleton
Ilyasova/seraphin/harrington
Gortat/hawes

Wall now has 5 stretch 4s, 4 with 3pt range
Illyasova can play with seraphin and get the rebounds while bein an instant assist if seraphin gets doubled
We can have the deadliest 3 pt lineup in nba with
Wall
Beal
Webster
Illyasova
Hawes
Or We can go big with
Wall
Thad
Ersan
Hawes
Gortat
We'll basically be mixmatch nightmare..with depth and still have salary cap room to resign hawes and get monroe
At the deadline we can trade
Maynor/gortat
For
Reggie jackson/perkins/okc 2014 1st/dallas 1st

Go to the playofffs was serious contenders with
Wall/reggie
Beal/rice jr/temple
Thad/webster/porter
Ersan/seraphin/harrington/ves
Hawes/perkins

Most importantly We get a 1st rd! And a future 1st as well And if needed we can package our picks for a higher 1st
Well Have a quality backup point for cheap if rice jr is good we have a sg as well if not jus shift webster up to backup sg...perkins can be packaged next season if needed, he'll be an expiring anyway...

[hands11]

Your line up doesn't work in my book. Still need another ball handler in the starting line up or someone that is more a post up player you can feed in the post, not just someone who scores in the post.

Getting Greg Monroe would help a lot.

How good where Otto's handles again ? If he doesn't have good handles, he isn't going to pair well with Wall and Beal.

A player like Iggy would really help this team.

I think the Philly assets might come on the cheap. They are between a rock and a hard place. They are to good for what they want to do this year which is win like 16-18 games. They already won 3 so they only have like 13-15 left.

Turner has never been a league favorite. I don't his value is prime. Sure he got off to a hot start, but is historical stats aren't that great. Same with Spencer. I team should have to give up the farm to get them. Specially under these conditions.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not sure why anybody would trade for Nene at this point. Maybe if we threw in our lottery protected 2014 pick. Oops.

The Wizards wouldn't shock me if they managed to trade Nene with Ariza or Vesely for a worse contract. Amare Stoudemire?


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[deneem4]

Your line up doesn't work in my book. Still need another ball handler in the starting line up or someone that is more a post up player you can feed in the post, not just someone who scores in the post.

Getting Greg Monroe would help a lot.

How good where Otto's handles again ? If he doesn't have good handles, he isn't going to pair well with Wall and Beal.

A player like Iggy would really help this team.

I think the Philly assets might come on the cheap. They are between a rock and a hard place. They are to good for what they want to do this year which is win like 16-18 games. They already won 3 so they only have like 13-15 left.

Turner has never been a league favorite. I don't his value is prime. Sure he got off to a hot start, but is historical stats aren't that great. Same with Spencer. I team should have to give up the farm to get them. Specially under these conditions.

Honestly I think seraphin at 4 with ersan at 3 and gortat at 5 can be unstoppable...
Otto supposed to be a great passer out the post...not much of a shot creator with handles but I wan beal to be a shot creator and 3rd pg...thad has moves as well..he destroyed booker

I lik rice handles I think he'll look better playin with starters..think is we can have a miami like lineup where we can swing nd have shooters everywhere...gotat can post a bit...I wan pau but thats unlikely...monroe would be good...but tht wont b til the off season

[jivelikenice]

Would Boston we willing to dump Marshon Brooks for a TE? They get out of the second year of his deal. We take on some salary next year, but its minimal and we do need someone to backup Beal....

Frustrating aspect is w/o Otto in the lineup or available, we can't move Ariza who is our best trade chip remaining.