The Official Eric Maynor Shrine

[DCZards]

Meh...that doesn't mean he's been any good this season. He makes the extra pass because he can't shoot, so he gets some easy assists there.

Well, isn't that his job...find the open shooter, who is likely to be Beal, Webster, Ariza or Harrington, all of whom are better shooters than Maynor is. No shame in that.

[TGW]

Meh...that doesn't mean he's been any good this season. He makes the extra pass because he can't shoot, so he gets some easy assists there.

Well, isn't that his job...find the open shooter, who is likely to be Beal, Webster, Ariza or Harrington, all of whom are better shooters than Maynor is. No shame in that.

I guess what I meant to say is that his assists aren't setups...it's mostly from him just swinging the ball. He's not "creating" the shot, he's just making the extra swing pass. You're right though—there's nothing wrong with that. If anything, Maynor does that well. Everything else he does at a below average level, and I think overall he hurts the team because of his lack of direction when he's running the point, and his terrible defense.

[stevemcqueen1]

He's been alright and he'll get better into the season as he gets more comfortable. It'll help once we settle on a good rotation and figure out what the roles on the second line are. Right now there has been a lot of hot potato and wasted shot clocks from the unit sounding each other out. Get them some experience together and they'll learn how to execute and go to options and plays will emerge.

Price was dreck to start last year too and didn't really come on until late in the season. Price had trouble beating out Jannero Pargo and Shelvin Mack and Shaun Livingston to start last season and we had a new PG rotation every couple games. He had a ton of trouble running the offense.

[jivelikenice]

He's been ok in that he isn't turning it over and when he does take a 3 he's been making it. The frustrating part is watching him struggle against the press to get us into our offense. I'd also like to see him be a little more aggressive looking for his floater and attacking the rim off pick n roll...All in all he's been ok, and I wouldn't have an issue with him had he been signed for the minimum versus the BIE.

[jimij]

Maynor is doing essentially what he was brought here to do...play limited minutes, run the offense, make smart passes and don't turn the ball over...and right now he's doing those things pretty well.

I notice you didn't mention "...and play defense".

[jimij]

Defense aside I'll take Maynor over AJ Price any day of the week because he understands that he's a backup guard and not our first option on offense which at times AJ seemed to feel that he was. In some ways I'd rather have Garrett Temple be the back up PG over Maynor but I'm fine with the fact that he's on the roster but still upset that we gave him 2 years.

[Kanyewest]

Meh...that doesn't mean he's been any good this season. He makes the extra pass because he can't shoot, so he gets some easy assists there.

Well, isn't that his job...find the open shooter, who is likely to be Beal, Webster, Ariza or Harrington, all of whom are better shooters than Maynor is. No shame in that.

I guess what I meant to say is that his assists aren't setups...it's mostly from him just swinging the ball. He's not "creating" the shot, he's just making the extra swing pass. You're right though—there's nothing wrong with that. If anything, Maynor does that well. Everything else he does at a below average level, and I think overall he hurts the team because of his lack of direction when he's running the point, and his terrible defense.

If we're going by the small sample size- his 3 point shooting has been pretty solid (75%), his rebounds per 36 minutes is higher at 5.1 compared to his career average of only 3. I agree that his defense has been below average.

[Kanyewest]

zero TOs on the season if Kanye is correct.

Meh...that doesn't mean he's been any good this season. He makes the extra pass because he can't shoot, so he gets some easy assists there. All in all, he's a very unimpressive player, and a piss poor defender to boot. Carter Williams scored 7 straight points on Maynor in easy fashion. Price wouldn't have gotten bitched like that.

The most that Williams scored in a row against Maynor was 5 points. One of those was a pick and roll and Nene switched and was guarding him and the other one was a handoff/pick by Hawes and Nene again had to help as Williams was coming into the lane. Overall, Maynor's defense wasn't terrible at least in that sequence. BTW, in that time frame Maynor scored a 3 of his own and assisted on another 3.

[Nivek]

The difference between Price and Maynor over their careers is negligible with an overall advantage to Price. Maynor gets a few more assists, but also a few more turnovers. The best season either of them has had was Price last season with the Wizards. If you're running a team and you're going to sign a scrub to be your backup PG, it seems logical to me to sign the one that's a) better and/or b) cheaper. In this case, that was Price for both A & B.

Folks keep talking about Maynor "knowing how to run the offense" or being able "to get the team into its sets." When I looked into the issue, I couldn't find any evidence that this ability of his has any positive effect on his teams' offenses. In aggregate, his teams have been just as good offensively whether he's been in the game or not -- just like Price.

[Nivek]

It just occurred to me to check the RAPM data for their careers. Here's Price vs. Maynor using adjusted +/- numbers:

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oRAPM   PRICE   MAYNOR
2009-10 0.0     -1.5
2010-11 0.5     0.3
2011-12 0.3     0.3
2012-13 0.5     0.2
AVG     0.3     -0.2


So, after adjusting for the quality of teammates, opponent, etc., these data suggest Price's teams were very slightly better offensively when he was in the game, and that Maynor's teams were very slightly worse offensively when he was in the game.

[TGW]

Thanks nivek.

Sadly enough, we are seeing the "good" Maynor, which is scary because once his "good" play goes away, the real Maynor comes out.

*shudders*

[dckingsfan]

The difference between Price and Maynor over their careers is negligible with an overall advantage to Price. Maynor gets a few more assists, but also a few more turnovers. The best season either of them has had was Price last season with the Wizards. If you're running a team and you're going to sign a scrub to be your backup PG, it seems logical to me to sign the one that's a) better and/or b) cheaper. In this case, that was Price for both A & B.

Folks keep talking about Maynor "knowing how to run the offense" or being able "to get the team into its sets." When I looked into the issue, I couldn't find any evidence that this ability of his has any positive effect on his teams' offenses. In aggregate, his teams have been just as good offensively whether he's been in the game or not -- just like Price.

Brutal!

[hands11]

He's been alright and he'll get better into the season as he gets more comfortable. It'll help once we settle on a good rotation and figure out what the roles on the second line are. Right now there has been a lot of hot potato and wasted shot clocks from the unit sounding each other out. Get them some experience together and they'll learn how to execute and go to options and plays will emerge.

Price was dreck to start last year too and didn't really come on until late in the season. Price had trouble beating out Jannero Pargo and Shelvin Mack and Shaun Livingston to start last season and we had a new PG rotation every couple games. He had a ton of trouble running the offense.

Yeep.

Which is why I wanted and hoped they would look for someone who was able to run an offense.

As for Maynor, need more data. Gotta see how he settles in with this group.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... oer01.html

ORtg 144 .. Is that good ?

[wizardry]

Lol guess guys dont like eating crow. What games are you watching. If you look at the bench minutes they actually keep us in games. The Starters were having trouble. Beal was horrible the first few games and our bigs werent great till last game with nene and gortat playing together. Maynors doing what he was brought here to do. You thought he was brought here to light up the scoreboard Hes shooting 75% from three with a 3 to 0 turnover ratio. Quit drinking that haterade

[Nivek]

Lol guess guys dont like eating crow. What games are you watching. If you look at the bench minutes they actually keep us in games. The Starters were having trouble. Beal was horrible the first few games and our bigs werent great till last game with nene and gortat playing together. Maynors doing what he was brought here to do. You thought he was brought here to light up the scoreboard Hes shooting 75% from three with a 3 to 0 turnover ratio. Quit drinking that haterade

Yep, Maynor's on the verge of setting the NBA record for 3pt shooting percentage. ONLY 78 more games to go. Sooooooooooooo close.

[hands11]

Lol guess guys dont like eating crow. What games are you watching. If you look at the bench minutes they actually keep us in games. The Starters were having trouble. Beal was horrible the first few games and our bigs werent great till last game with nene and gortat playing together. Maynors doing what he was brought here to do. You thought he was brought here to light up the scoreboard Hes shooting 75% from three with a 3 to 0 turnover ratio. Quit drinking that haterade

Yep, Maynor's on the verge of setting the NBA record for 3pt shooting percentage. ONLY 78 more games to go. Sooooooooooooo close.

I think that is the point. 49 minutes is to little to hate or praise. But if you are going to lean one way or the other, he has actually posted effective numbers so fair, so there is no grounds for hate.

I remember the incredibly sucky Trevor A thread after preseason and a few games to start the year. I remember all the trade ideas about how we needed to dump him ASAP. I remember the welcome responses I got when I started posted about how we might actually want to keep him and Okafor.

Point is, way to early to say. Patience is a virgin.

But its always fun to mix it up with the board.

[payitforward]

Lol guess guys dont like eating crow. What games are you watching. If you look at the bench minutes they actually keep us in games. The Starters were having trouble. Beal was horrible the first few games and our bigs werent great till last game with nene and gortat playing together. Maynors doing what he was brought here to do. You thought he was brought here to light up the scoreboard Hes shooting 75% from three with a 3 to 0 turnover ratio. Quit drinking that haterade

Yep, Maynor's on the verge of setting the NBA record for 3pt shooting percentage. ONLY 78 more games to go. Sooooooooooooo close.

I think that is the point. 49 minutes is to little to hate or praise. But if you are going to lean one way or the other, he has actually posted effective numbers so fair, so there is no grounds for hate.

I remember the incredibly sucky Trevor A thread after preseason and a few games to start the year. I remember all the trade ideas about how we needed to dump him ASAP. I remember the welcome responses I got when I started posted about how we might actually want to keep him and Okafor.

Point is, way to early to say. Patience is a virgin.

But its always fun to mix it up with the board.

I've known Patience a long time, Hands -- she's no virgin!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

" " has had one small stretch during which he looked remotely like an NBA player (last night in the second half).

The problem is, when he comes in, our rhythm and pace grind to a halt. And, he is too slow, weak and checked out to play any defense.

[WizarDynasty]

I don't think he sucks at all. Intelligent floor general. Probably the best back up floor general in the league.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I don't think he sucks at all. Intelligent floor general. Probably the best back up floor general in the league.

Is this the shortest post you've ever written?...has to be.