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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#21 » by Nivek » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:52 pm

In the "for what it's worth" category, Beal's counterpart data at 82games indicate that when he's on the floor and designated as the team's SG, his counterpart posts a PER of 11.4. The league average PER is 15.0. This season, opposing SGs have posted a PER of 11.2 when they play against the Wizards, and Beal has played 47% of the team's minutes at SG (according to 82games). This would suggest to me that opposing players are not posting impressive numbers when they're defended by Beal.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#22 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:07 pm

Nivek wrote:In the "for what it's worth" category, Beal's counterpart data at 82games indicate that when he's on the floor and designated as the team's SG, his counterpart posts a PER of 11.4. The league average PER is 15.0. This season, opposing SGs have posted a PER of 11.2 when they play against the Wizards, and Beal has played 47% of the team's minutes at SG (according to 82games). This would suggest to me that opposing players are not posting impressive numbers when they're defended by Beal.

I haven't been paying much attention until the last few games, and it's been brutal. I can't speak for the accuracy of 82games, but I'd be surprised if those numbers are correct.

It also says SG's get a 9.8 PER against Webster - which would be bizarre - if true.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#23 » by dobrojim » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:09 pm

maybe those opp SGs need to shoot more to raise their PERs.

One thing we gotta hope for is for Ariza (presumably) to defend
George into an inefficient game.

And for our bigs to not get destroyed in the paint.

a lot of things need to go right for us to win.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#24 » by Nivek » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:19 pm

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Nivek wrote:In the "for what it's worth" category, Beal's counterpart data at 82games indicate that when he's on the floor and designated as the team's SG, his counterpart posts a PER of 11.4. The league average PER is 15.0. This season, opposing SGs have posted a PER of 11.2 when they play against the Wizards, and Beal has played 47% of the team's minutes at SG (according to 82games). This would suggest to me that opposing players are not posting impressive numbers when they're defended by Beal.

I haven't been paying much attention until the last few games, and it's been brutal. I can't speak for the accuracy of 82games, but I'd be surprised if those numbers are correct.


While I posted it in this case, I've never liked counterpart data all that much. NBA team defense is too complex to be captured strictly in matchup/counterpart data. What really matters is team defense. And, the Wizards have been about average defensively with Beal on the floor (which is about what they've overall this season).
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#25 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:03 pm

dobrojim wrote:maybe those opp SGs need to shoot more to raise their PERs.

One thing we gotta hope for is for Ariza (presumably) to defend
George into an inefficient game.

And for our bigs to not get destroyed in the paint.

a lot of things need to go right for us to win.


yep, there is a good reason why they have the best record in the NBA.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#26 » by jeffsays » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:18 pm

I think that this will be a much different game. Last time, Nene and Beal were both out with injuries and our bench play has improved tremendously. I think that we have the ability to win this game, but we will need to be nearly flawless to win.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#27 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:26 pm

Nivek wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Nivek wrote:In the "for what it's worth" category, Beal's counterpart data at 82games indicate that when he's on the floor and designated as the team's SG, his counterpart posts a PER of 11.4. The league average PER is 15.0. This season, opposing SGs have posted a PER of 11.2 when they play against the Wizards, and Beal has played 47% of the team's minutes at SG (according to 82games). This would suggest to me that opposing players are not posting impressive numbers when they're defended by Beal.

I haven't been paying much attention until the last few games, and it's been brutal. I can't speak for the accuracy of 82games, but I'd be surprised if those numbers are correct.


While I posted it in this case, I've never liked counterpart data all that much. NBA team defense is too complex to be captured strictly in matchup/counterpart data. What really matters is team defense. And, the Wizards have been about average defensively with Beal on the floor (which is about what they've overall this season).

Well that's good to hear and indicates that the last few games were likely just a bad stretch and not indicative of what's to come. Actually, my original post wasn't intended to be serious. I was using the theory that if we predict bad things - those bad things won't happen. But now that I've admitted the strategy, bad things will likely happen... unless... circular error.
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Post#28 » by tontoz » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:45 pm

Indy is a great defensive team but they are struggling to score, letting teams hang around. They just lost to the Hawks without Horford.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#29 » by dlts20 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:59 pm

Here is what I wrote in the other thread:

Terrible finish to the game while going into Indy. Hope it doesnt carry over. I like our chances against Indy. This team was really excited to play them last game but Beal was already out and that was the game when Nene decided to start resting. We have all hands on deck this game and are hot on the road. This team wants to get over those .500 woes and wants to feel like they can beat good teams.

Theyve heard all the bad talk and they want to show and prove. Indy will just be playing there regular game but will have energy at home while we will be playing like its a huge game and have something to prove. We should make it interesting. Still, that finish in NO scares me but we should be ok. Maybe Wall can have that monster game like he had against them & PG last year but I kinda think this may be a team game with everyone fired up.

Is Stephenson playing? Didn't seem like they adjusted well without him last game. Granger is good but any change can throw off the chemistry. Really interested in watching Wall. Remember after last game he talked non stop about how he let Indy take him out his game by settling for the J so I expect to see him attack more or dish for better shots
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#30 » by JWallConnect » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:52 pm

We're due for a good win, right?
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Post#31 » by dandridge 10 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:26 pm

JWallConnect wrote:We're due for a good win, right?


That is what I have been thinking. But, I don't think it will be tonight. More likely tomorrow night against the Rockets at home (even though our home record sucks).
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#32 » by Mickstix » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:59 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:**** all the pessimists in here, we're winning this. Wall, Beal and Jan all go off.

:lol:

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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#33 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:13 am

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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#34 » by hands11 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:14 am

That was to easy by West. Just burned Booker.

Fast passed and ugly so far. Probably to our advantage.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#35 » by hands11 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:16 am

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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#36 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:17 am

Not a good pace for the Wiz
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#37 » by hands11 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:18 am

dckingsfan wrote:Not a good pace for the Wiz


I don't mind the pace. I mind Beal and Wall taking to many outside shots off the drive.

Pass it around or drive.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#38 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:20 am

hands11 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Not a good pace for the Wiz


I don't mind the pace. I mind Beal and Wall taking to many outside shots off the drive.

Pass it around or drive.


Yep, Wall 1 for 5 - not so good...
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#39 » by Ruzious » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:21 am

Wiz haven't come close to scoring inside. When you go towards Hibbert, you can't throw up soft stuff. Go right at him, and make contact.
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Re: GT #34: Wizards @ Pacers 7 PM CSN 

Post#40 » by miller31time » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:22 am

We might not crack 70 tonight.

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