The Great Debate: Otto Porters Roadmap

dckingsfan · Post #21 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:10 pm

Gortat seems to think his biggest - maybe only issue is strength. Get this guy the best strength and conditioning coach we can!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -together/

Post #22 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:13 pm

I'm not sure why people are harping on strength with Porter. He's just fine on defense, and his offensive game isn't heavily reliant on having more strength. His issue is learning how to play offense in the NBA.

dckingsfan · Post #23 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:19 pm

“Well first of all, he’s got to hit the weight room,” Gortat said. “Matter of fact he actually start doing it with me the past few weeks. I’m the first guy on this team that goes to the weight room. I always start early, and before games I’m going and lifting hard. So actually he starts showing up with me. We are not kind of on the same level yet, strength-wise, but the most important thing, he’s with me out there and he’s lifting. Obviously he’s gonna need some time — he’s got to lift hard, he’s got to eat well, he’s got to eat a lot, and he’s just got to take care of his body.”

Two things - good he is lifting - bad that it seems (no proof - just what I think I am getting out of the article) that there isn't a strength and conditioning coach with him.

Post #24 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:40 pm

Palindrome Porter <copywrite> can get as buff as Dwight Howard, but if he doesn't learn how to play better, he's going to continue to stink.

Btw, with all the lifting that Gortat does, I don't see a lot of functional strength on the court from him.

Upper Decker · Post #25 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:44 pm

dckingsfan wrote:“Well first of all, he’s got to hit the weight room,” Gortat said. “Matter of fact he actually start doing it with me the past few weeks. I’m the first guy on this team that goes to the weight room. I always start early, and before games I’m going and lifting hard. So actually he starts showing up with me. We are not kind of on the same level yet, strength-wise, but the most important thing, he’s with me out there and he’s lifting. Obviously he’s gonna need some time — he’s got to lift hard, he’s got to eat well, he’s got to eat a lot, and he’s just got to take care of his body.”

Two things - good he is lifting - bad that it seems (no proof - just what I think I am getting out of the article) that there isn't a strength and conditioning coach with him.

It's just possibe Porter suffers from the same rare disease Blatche suffered from. You know that odd issue of not seeing results out of weight lifting.

daSwami · Post #26 » by **daSwami** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:43 pm

dckingsfan wrote:“Well first of all, he’s got to hit the weight room,” Gortat said. “Matter of fact he actually start doing it with me the past few weeks. I’m the first guy on this team that goes to the weight room. I always start early, and before games I’m going and lifting hard. So actually he starts showing up with me. We are not kind of on the same level yet, strength-wise, but the most important thing, he’s with me out there and he’s lifting. Obviously he’s gonna need some time — he’s got to lift hard, he’s got to eat well, he’s got to eat a lot, and he’s just got to take care of his body.”.

Don't know why, but my brain started reading that in a Hans n Franz accent about half way through the quote.

dckingsfan · Post #27 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:30 am

daSwami wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:“Well first of all, he’s got to hit the weight room,” Gortat said. “Matter of fact he actually start doing it with me the past few weeks. I’m the first guy on this team that goes to the weight room. I always start early, and before games I’m going and lifting hard. So actually he starts showing up with me. We are not kind of on the same level yet, strength-wise, but the most important thing, he’s with me out there and he’s lifting. Obviously he’s gonna need some time — he’s got to lift hard, he’s got to eat well, he’s got to eat a lot, and he’s just got to take care of his body.”.

Don't know why, but my brain started reading that in a Hans n Franz accent about half way through the quote.

Too funny!

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #28 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:52 am

Good to see some leveler heads in this thread prevail. I'm not making a statement of how good or bad Porter will be (though I think he'll be good) because I have very little to base anything off of. He's been put in a rough spot and has barely played. Some of you are so short sighted.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #29 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:53 am

Good to see some leveler heads in this thread prevail. I'm not making a statement of how good or bad Porter will be (though I think he'll be good) because I have very little to base anything off of. He's been put in a rough spot and has barely played. Some of you are so short sighted.

GeeWiz · Post #30 » by **GeeWiz** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:22 am

The fact that we passed on Noel makes me want to lay down and sob.

GeeWiz · Post #31 » by **GeeWiz** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:27 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well Chicago getting a 1st rounder for Deng got me wondering what we can get for Ariza. The problem in part is that Wall seems to really like Ariza, I've heard him talking very highly of him. He is an ideal 3&D SF and his chemistry with Wall and fit on this team is very good.

I'd hate to give up on Porter so fast given his age, and his lack of any preseason or opportunity to adjust to the NBA. I was very high on him before the draft, and believe he just hasn't had a chance. Beal looked like a potential bust early, and that was with a full offseason, camp, preseason, and early pt. Once he adjusted he took off. Porter to me is somewhat similar to Evan Turner in that he has a high IQ all-around game. Turner was looking like a bust, now this year he's avg almost 19pt, 6 boards, 4 assts a game, at age 25.

I'd stay pat. Ariza gives us the best chance to win now. After the season I would try to retain him with a reasonable deal. Let Porter who is still very young develop as his backup. Worst case Ariza leaves as a FA, we move ahead with Porter/Webster, and have Ariza's cap space to add another piece.

Great comparison with Turner. Only difference is how Turner has handles , allowing him to play Point Forward.

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stevemcqueen1 · Post #32 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:20 pm

Randy's shortened the bench and Porter is out of the rotation for now. He was only playing ~10-15 minutes per game as part of the 10 man rotation. That's nothing.

And it means we still don't have anything to go on regarding Porter. He's just not going to play much this season so long as Ariza and Webster remain healthy.

Doesn't mean we should deal him either. It just means we should set our expectations for the season accordingly. He's not going to play. He's not going to show us much this year. Proclamations of him being good or bad based on his play are meaningless.

Dat2U · Post #33 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:29 pm

GeeWiz wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well Chicago getting a 1st rounder for Deng got me wondering what we can get for Ariza. The problem in part is that Wall seems to really like Ariza, I've heard him talking very highly of him. He is an ideal 3&D SF and his chemistry with Wall and fit on this team is very good.

I'd hate to give up on Porter so fast given his age, and his lack of any preseason or opportunity to adjust to the NBA. I was very high on him before the draft, and believe he just hasn't had a chance. Beal looked like a potential bust early, and that was with a full offseason, camp, preseason, and early pt. Once he adjusted he took off. Porter to me is somewhat similar to Evan Turner in that he has a high IQ all-around game. Turner was looking like a bust, now this year he's avg almost 19pt, 6 boards, 4 assts a game, at age 25.

I'd stay pat. Ariza gives us the best chance to win now. After the season I would try to retain him with a reasonable deal. Let Porter who is still very young develop as his backup. Worst case Ariza leaves as a FA, we move ahead with Porter/Webster, and have Ariza's cap space to add another piece.

Great comparison with Turner. Only difference is how Turner has handles , allowing him to play Point Forward.

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I don't like the comparison at all. Turner is a ball-dominant wing that seems incapable of playing successfully without the ball and the even bigger issue is that he struggles to create quality shots for himself when the ball is in his hands. Turner & Nick Young are two of the best in the league at creating tough contested mid-range jumpers than they make probably less than a 3rd of the time. Porter is nothing like Turner. Porter worked so well at G-Town without the ball. Porter's success comes off the ball. Any success Turner has is when he's playing defacto PG.

Not to mention Turner is still terrible and is still a bust. Averaging 19, 6 & 4 sounds impressive until you realize his WS48 is still only .030 and his offensive rating is still an offensive 98.

mhd · Post #34 » by **mhd** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:35 pm

If we resign Ariza, than Porter needs to be traded. There isn't the PT available (especially for a player making roughly 5 million a year).

Kanter has played much better as of late. I doubt Utah trades him (unless they take Embiid in the draft).

Youheardme90 · Post #35 » by **Youheardme90** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:00 pm

I think Porter has shown so far in his limited minutes, that he has a relatively high BB IQ.

Brenice · Post #36 » by **Brenice** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:03 pm

Ernie didn't draft Otto, Georgerown Ted did. I'm just saying.

dckingsfan · Post #37 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:40 pm

Brenice wrote:Ernie didn't draft Otto, Georgerown Ted did. I'm just saying.

What makes you say that? I probably missed Ted's comments...

Brenice · Post #38 » by **Brenice** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:47 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Brenice wrote:Ernie didn't draft Otto, Georgerown Ted did. I'm just saying.

What makes you say that? I probably missed Ted's comments...

Cause they didn't need Otto and Ted is a Georgetown alum. Also, other players were available.

mhd · Post #39 » by **mhd** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:07 pm

Ted is probably the worst owner we could have hoped for. He's clueless in running a franchise.

dckingsfan · Post #40 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:09 pm

Brenice wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Brenice wrote:Ernie didn't draft Otto, Georgerown Ted did. I'm just saying.

What makes you say that? I probably missed Ted's comments...

Cause they didn't need Otto and Ted is a Georgetown alum. Also, other players were available.

Wasn't Otto Porter in the top 5 of virtually every mock draft? I was just wondering if you had any inside information or insight on why this was Ted's pick vs. EG's pick vs. consensus scouting pick.

What do we do with Porter?