Big Man to complement Wall & Beal

[Illmatic21]

:lol: What is with the John Henson lovefest on here.. he had a mediocre year and couldn't even start over Zaza Pachulia.

Go on the Bucks boards, they're dying to trade him for a late first.

They didn't care much for Tobias Harris.

The deal with Henson includes his total rebound percentage, his block percentage, his length, and his scoring potential at his young age. He reminds me of back years ago when Aldridge and Blatche were each around 22 years old. Scoring and rebounding were not yet strengths for either player, but PER and WS/48 showed what might be.

Henson is trapped behind Sanders in the rotation, and the Bucks have invested time and money into Sanders.

Larry Drew has a personal connection with Henson from when Larry Drew Jr. Had to transfer from UNC. Henson got an NCAA ring IIRC after Drew Jr transferred. (I don't know if that's right, but UNC was way better post Drew Jr.).

Henson will do better elsewhere, for sure IMO.

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Sanders only played 23 games this season, he wasn't stopping Henson from doing anything.

I was big on the Henson hype train too last year, after I saw him have some big games with pts/reb/blocks. But Bucks fans who actually watch him play don't seem that excited about him, there must be something we're missing:

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I'm not saying he isn't good or doesn't still have potential, but there must be something we're not seeing.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

John Henson a man among boys at the NBA Summer League

Mike Prada wrote the following in July 2013:

LAS VEGAS -- There are a select few times in a Summer League game where one player just doesn't belong. He's too good for the game, rising above his opponents even without playing fundamentally sound.

You normally see it with high draft picks that are only there for show. On Saturday, you saw it with John Henson, a second-year player that was taken late in the the lottery in 2012.

Henson may need that jump shot to play more often in a crowded Bucks frontcourt that also features Larry Sanders, Ersan Ilyasova, Zaza Pachulia and Ekpe Udoh, but he's probably knocking on the door regardless. Henson's minutes were jerked around last year, as he played over 20 minutes a game 13 times, under 10 minutes a game 27 times and was a DNP-Coach's Decision 18 times. When he played, he produced, averaging 16.5 points and almost 13 rebounds per 36 minutes.

The challenge, of course, is getting him those minutes without giving away other qualities. While his length is intoxicating, the Bucks often worried about his lack of strength and perimeter game, particularly next to a similar player in Sanders. Long term, Milwaukee will either need to live with the deficiencies of a Sanders/Henson frontcourt or trade one for more value. That day may soon be coming.

"They said I have an opportunity to play next year if I get ready and work hard this summer, so that's what I'm doing."

One thing that'll help: more strength. Henson has gained 10 pounds since the end of the season and hopes to begin the year at 225 or 230 pounds, he told reporters after the game.

This guy would be murder next to Nene, who has both strength and a perimeter game.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2014.html

I would blame most of Henson's slump on coaching preference of Larry Drew. I see a lot of minutes went to Jeff Adrien, Ekpe Udoh, Miroslav Raduljica, and of course, Ersan Ilyasova.

Note that the PER of Ilyasova went down a lot but Henson went from 18.2 only down to 17.9. His WS/48 didn't fall off the map, either.

I think Henson's just a guy who hates being a Milwaukee Buck.

[Illmatic21]

Maybe so. Larry Drew is pretty bad, and I guess we can't draw too many conclusions from a tanking season.

I think next year will be critical, that's when we'll know if he's gonna be an above average starter or an All-Star caliber guy. However I'm leaning towards the former. Henson's frame is so frail and I don't know that he'll ever be physically able to produce at a high level.

Even Anthony Davis at 20 is already starting to look bigger:




Henson is 23 and still looks like this:




It kind of makes you question his work ethic.

Idk, I just don't see Henson becoming this future All-Star stud who we just have to pursue in free agency. He's not that young either.. he's already 23 years old which is the same age as guys like Greg Monroe, Demarcus Cousins, etc. Next year is going to be very telling for Henson.

[Ruzious]

Milwaukee's lack of management and direction is so bad, it's almost comical - and Larry Drew should not have a job above the HS level. He's as incompetent an NBA coach as you can find. That doesn't relieve all the blame off of Henson for his fall this season, but I think he showed the player he will be in the first half of the season when his PER was around 20 - with good efficiency. He's got to be a PF; not a center - he does not have the frame to hold a lot of weight - that's not going to change. I remember him as a freshman - he was 6'10 and maybe 180 - turned sideway you couldn't see him - as skinny a prospect as I've ever seen, so it actually has been hard work to get him to where he is. It's not fair to compare him to Davis - Davis always had the very wide shoulders, so you knew he had the frame to get bigger.

[Zonkerbl]

Complement with an "e", dagnabbit.

Unless you mean Wall and Beal need a big man to whisper sweet nothings to them all the time.

TBH, I didn't know there was a different spelling. But now that you pointed it out, I see it. "A full complement of so and so."

http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011 ... omplement/

"Compliment or complement?

A lot of people get these two words confused. It’s easy to see why: they’re pronounced in the same way and have very similar spellings but they have completely different meanings.

If you compliment someone, you are expressing admiration for them, or praising them for something. Here are some examples from the Oxford English Corpus showing the correct use of this verb:

The airline thanked the passengers for their help and complimented the captain on his initiative.
Make a mental note of the colours you’re wearing whenever people compliment you on the way you look.
I must compliment all of our employees for their support and commitment this year.
Passers-by stopped to compliment him on his handiwork.
When you are complimented for something that you know was a team effort, don’t forget to give credit to the team.

If one thing complements another, each of the two separate items function or look better because they are together: they both contribute something that enhances or improves the overall effect. The following sentences all use the verb complement in the correct way:

The recipe was delicious and the wine complemented the food beautifully.
Architect Graham Morrison said the new development would complement the city centre’s existing historical features but not overwhelm them.
Cordelia was wearing a particularly flattering blue dress that complemented her complexion.
This new service is intended to complement existing facilities.
Each of the three Russian canvases is complemented by pictures on the same theme by one or more of the other artists.

Complement is related to the word complete and you might find this link helps you to remember which verb is which. If the meaning you want to convey has a sense of ‘completion’, by which two things combine to produce a good overall effect, choose the verb with the -e- spelling: complement.

Complimentary or complementary?

Unsurprisingly, the adjectives relating to compliment and complement also cause confusion. Complimentary has two meanings. It can mean ‘expressing admiration or praise’:

I have received many complimentary remarks from members of the audience.
The vast majority of our patients are extremely complimentary about the care they have received.
It can also mean ‘given or supplied free of charge’, as in the following sentences:

Complimentary light refreshments will be available.
Most theatres offer complimentary tickets if you review their show for the paper.
We offer a complimentary shuttle service to the airport and historic old town.
Guestrooms offer complimentary bottled water and fresh fruit daily.
It’s common to see complementary used in these sorts of contexts, but this is a mistake. For instance, both the following examples are using the wrong spelling:

X There will be an opportunity to meet the artists and have a complementary glass of wine.
X The winner will receive two complementary tickets to a performance of their choice.

Complementary should instead be used to describe things that combine in such a way as to enhance or emphasize each other’s good qualities:

They had different but complementary skills.
We view this proposal as complementary to existing policing services.
Interior design and architecture are two complementary professions."

[BruceO]

the targets who would come here and are good are Monroe and cousins. I'd target one or both if they could play together. cousins would be new nene and Monroe the new gortat. or vice versa. add a porter on the wing, perhaps ariza or another realistic guy durant and we set. Most teams progress towards championships other than the ready made ones by climbing slowly up. This year we make at least second round and anything else is a bonus. next year conference finals and anything else is a bonus and then durant when he joins we win the whole thing. or we'll can exceed expectations and go ecf and possibly finals which happens rarely. A lottery team getting all that way...gs and clippers had that turnaround but haven't made it that far.

But it's funny to see the teams like gs, clippers, Charlotte, Toronto that we used to be in the tank race together make it this far

[asindc]

the targets who would come here and are good are Monroe and cousins. I'd target one or both if they could play together. cousins would be new nene and Monroe the new gortat. or vice versa. add a porter on the wing, perhaps ariza or another realistic guy durant and we set. Most teams progress towards championships other than the ready made ones by climbing slowly up. This year we make at least second round and anything else is a bonus. next year conference finals and anything else is a bonus and then durant when he joins we win the whole thing. or we'll can exceed expectations and go ecf and possibly finals which happens rarely. A lottery team getting all that way...gs and clippers had that turnaround but haven't made it that far.

But it's funny to see the teams like gs, clippers, Charlotte, Toronto that we used to be in the tank race together make it this far

No Cousins. Please.

[sfam]

the targets who would come here and are good are Monroe and cousins. I'd target one or both if they could play together. cousins would be new nene and Monroe the new gortat. or vice versa. add a porter on the wing, perhaps ariza or another realistic guy durant and we set. Most teams progress towards championships other than the ready made ones by climbing slowly up. This year we make at least second round and anything else is a bonus. next year conference finals and anything else is a bonus and then durant when he joins we win the whole thing. or we'll can exceed expectations and go ecf and possibly finals which happens rarely. A lottery team getting all that way...gs and clippers had that turnaround but haven't made it that far.

But it's funny to see the teams like gs, clippers, Charlotte, Toronto that we used to be in the tank race together make it this far

No Cousins. Please.

Let me echo that. The reason the Wizards are on a tear is they have some talent, but lots of great locker room guys, vets and an attitude where they are all striving for improvement. Getting rid of mentors and replacing them with locker room cancers are the way to turn the Pacers at the beginning of the year into, well, the Pacers at the end of the year. Team chemistry is tricky business. It would be really really really risky bringing in a guy with baggage like Cousins brings. Why would we want to take that risk again?

[Higga]

What's wrong with Gortat? I'm not saying he's the best C in the league, but he's solid and dependable. I don't know if I'd take the risk with Cousins, guy is just a clown and the Pacers are showing how much team chemistry matters. Monroe is younger than Gortat sure but will probably come more expensive and I don't know if he's that much better to be honest.

[pcbothwel]

ehhh..Cousins and Monroe would be absolutely terrible for spacing. Cousins isnt even a FA until 2018. I would consider Monroe if we could S&T Gortat to the Mavs for Brandon Wright and Wayne Ellington (I know he can sign there outright, but S&T brings us back Wright and clears 7+M in cap space for them).

Does anybody see 'Starter on Pernnial contender' talent out of the guys in the 2015 draft(Okafor will be top pick):
Okafor, Towns, Brice Johnson, Cauley-Stein, Marcus Lee, Dakari Johnson, AJ Hammonds, Kaleb Tarczewski, Chris Walker, Mitch McGary.

My thoughts on these guys: Okafor: Will go top 2 so out of the question.

Towns: I love that he can step out and spread the floor at his size. I worry about his physicality a little, but think he'll be a prolific scorer for 12-15 years if he stays conditioned. Will probably go too high when said and done.

Brice Johnson: A PF no doubt, but I love his game in that he is long, lean , athletic, and rangy. His defense is below average mostly due to size, but he is becoming a better shot blocker and has room to grow here. He can also be a bit of a black hole on offense, but I think his offensive game is vastly underrated and wouldnt hesitate to take him.

Cauley-Stein: Good combo of Height/Length/Athleticism, blocks shots and get steals. But he offense is not only limited, but shows no real upside. Also, while he hustles, I question his instincts. I see a backup C at best.

Kaleb Tarczewski: Very Gortatesque with his rebounding and defense. Like Gortat, he can defend his position well even if he is not a great shot blocker and can rebound very well. He offensive game needs work, but he has a solid foundation. I think his ceiling is somewhat limited, but in the mid 1st I would take him in a heart beat as I think he can start on a contender.

AJ Hammonds: I really like AJ, but worry that his production is due to being bigger/stronger than his peers (22 y/o) and wont translate to the NBA as much (i.e. rebounds very well, but doesnt box out well and gets rebound due to size). I like his quickness at his size and his offensive upside. Will defitnley be a stats guy who will end with a number of 18/12/4 games due to his ability to rack up And1's and get rebounds..*May come out this year, but I like him.

Dakari Johnson: Intriguing C with very good size and foundation for expanding skillset. He is very young and want to see him next year to see if he can fight off Cauley-Stein and Towns for minutes. Gets great position down low with nimble feet and great hands.

Mitch McGary: A guy would like to have for depth as his hustle, instincts, passing, and physicality are needed on every team. But he is an undersized C that has trouble scoring in the post and doesnt compensate with a good jump shot. Would take in top of 2nd round, but very limited ceiling.

My order(As of today) would be: Okafor, Towns, Tarczewski, Dakari Johnson, Brice Johnson, AJ Hammonds, Mitch McGary, Marcus Lee, Cauley-Stein, Chris Walker

[jivelikenice]

If they re-sign Gortat they should still have money for a FA in '16. It will come down to how much annually Gortat gets and how the structure it. It would be wise to frontload it and have it decrease the maximum allowable moving forward. The other factor will be Ariza. If you re-sign him then you start cutting into cap space. You'd still have room but it wouldn't be near max money; and it will also be based on our ability to move Webster.

[Darko Miliminutes]

Stay patient...nothing hasty. Not a lot of options this off season. Draft Mitch Mcgary.

[pcbothwel]

Stay patient...nothing hasty. Not a lot of options this off season. Draft Mitch Mcgary.

Just saw he is declaring. With the positive drug test, back injury, and limited upside he may just fall. I would love to pick him up as depth..we need our Tyler hansbrough.

[barelyawake]

I don't believe Gortat is our solution at center -- especially if we are going after Durant.

Obviously, Anthony Davis or Drummond would be best in terms of young talent. But, beyond them I think our best line-up would look like Aldridge/Noah. Gortat does not have the respect of the refs in post season play. He doesn't have good defensive instincts. And he's frankly not tough enough. I am saying this, even though I like Gortat. I wish he were better.

Instead of locking us into Gortat, I believe we should save our powder or go big. Going big would be trading Beal or future picks plus cap for a true star. Saving our powder would be resigning Booker for cheap, and then going cheap and short (maybe Okafor). I see that both Chandler and AV could be available for cheap, and both have ending contracts. I'd much rather have a year of AV (with a chance to sign him much cheaper after) and the cap in a year to chase a real center, than locking us into three or four years of Gortat.

Our problem remains that we built a team with not one young, big with star potential. You shouldn't leave the lottery without one. The sooner we rectify that the better. Resigning Gortat, just clogs our options. And we are already behind.

[nate33]

the targets who would come here and are good are Monroe and cousins. I'd target one or both if they could play together. cousins would be new nene and Monroe the new gortat. or vice versa. add a porter on the wing, perhaps ariza or another realistic guy durant and we set. Most teams progress towards championships other than the ready made ones by climbing slowly up. This year we make at least second round and anything else is a bonus. next year conference finals and anything else is a bonus and then durant when he joins we win the whole thing. or we'll can exceed expectations and go ecf and possibly finals which happens rarely. A lottery team getting all that way...gs and clippers had that turnaround but haven't made it that far.

But it's funny to see the teams like gs, clippers, Charlotte, Toronto that we used to be in the tank race together make it this far

No Cousins. Please.

Let me echo that. The reason the Wizards are on a tear is they have some talent, but lots of great locker room guys, vets and an attitude where they are all striving for improvement. Getting rid of mentors and replacing them with locker room cancers are the way to turn the Pacers at the beginning of the year into, well, the Pacers at the end of the year. Team chemistry is tricky business. It would be really really really risky bringing in a guy with baggage like Cousins brings. Why would we want to take that risk again?

Cousins is a gamble, but one that could pay off. The only reason Cousins is even mentioned as being remotely available is because of his attitude. A move to acquire him would be a bet that he is about due to mature as a player and grow past most of the mental/emotional limitations that have held him back.

It's a risk that I would make, but it's probably an impossibility at this point. Cousins played well enough this year that Sacramento probably wouldn't trade him for anybody on our roster.

[barelyawake]

I'm good with Cousins too (though not my first choice). Cousins is Rasheed Wallace. Give him a strong coach and wins, and he'll ignite a team rather than tear them apart.

[nate33]

I really do like Henson and Sanders. EG should be persistently calling Milwaukee and trying to require one of them. I really don't think it makes sense for Milwaukee to keep them both for the long term. It'll cost a lot of money for two redundant players.

I'm thinking if Milwaukee had to choose, they'd keep Henson because he doesn't have the off-the-court headaches of Sanders. I'm happy with that, because if I had to choose, I'd take Sanders because he has a legit position in this league. I'd explore lots of Sanders trades. Gortat for Sanders. Nene for Sanders. Porter for Sanders. Cap room for Sanders. I wouldn't give them Wall or Beal though.

Nene for Sanders would be the dream. Milwaukee does it to "change the culture" and get instant credibility, while also setting up a plan of action for cap room in 2016 (when presumably they'd be ready to make a move to come out of the seedings basement after tanking for two years). If we could pull off that trade, it would probably be best to let both Gortat and Ariza walk and go after Monroe or some other reasonably young big man. Either that or use our cap room to sign 1-year stopgaps and stay in position to make a move for Love in 2015.

[AFM]

Mitch McGary sucks.

[Ruzious]

Mitch McGary sucks.

Smokes.

He's a good player.