Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5

sashae · Post #21 » by **sashae** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:50 pm

but yo we got Sessions we're cool

Dark Faze · Post #22 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:53 pm

welp, we're officially 5th best in this conference

Post #23 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:53 pm

Wow, KG really going back to the Wolves.

MikeTheKid · Post #24 » by **MikeTheKid** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:54 pm

Dragic to the Heat, the 1st Round just got scary in the East!!!

Post #25 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:17 pm

Big 3-team deal:

David Aldridge: Bucks go hard, getting Michael Carter-Williams from Philly and Tyler Ennis and Miles Plumless from Phoenix in three-team deal. Holy moly. Twitter @daldridgetnt - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.y3LSjmWj.dpuf

Marc Stein: ESPN sources: Brandon Knight to Phoenix. MCW and Tyler Ennis to Milwaukee. Isaiah Thomas and picks to Philadelphia Twitter @ESPNSteinLine - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.y3LSjmWj.dpuf

And then IT flipped to Boston?

Adrian Wojnarowski: Phoenix has traded Isaiah Thomas to the Boston Celtics, league source tells Yahoo Sports. Twitter @WojYahooNBA - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.y3LSjmWj.dpuf

Crazy...

Post #26 » by **miller31time** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:23 pm

^^^ Good lord. That seems like a lot of unnecessary moves. Milwaukee just downgraded from a near All-Star in Knight to MCW who is just terrible.

Phoenix is all over the place.

Boston may be the big winner here, depending on what they had to give up to get Thomas.

And last but not least, here are the Wizards with....

Ramon Sessions.

Kill me.

Dat2U · Post #27 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:36 pm

miller31time wrote:^^^ Good lord. That seems like a lot of unnecessary moves. Milwaukee just downgraded from a near All-Star in Knight to MCW who is just terrible.

Phoenix is all over the place.

Boston may be the big winner here, depending on what they had to give up to get Thomas.

And last but not least, here are the Wizards with....

Ramon Sessions.

Kill me.

Milwaukee downgraded? I don't see it. Not an MCW fan but getting Ennis & Plumlee for Knight alone would be pretty darn good. Not a Brandon Knight fan. I thought Kidd worked magic this season to get Knight to the point where he wasn't killing the team at PG anymore.

Post #28 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:42 pm

^ Knight was also about to become RFA and they probably didn't want to invest in him longterm. So they pick up a few cheap youngsters before they lost him for nothing. Considering they weren't going anywhere in the playoffs this year anyway, good move IMO.

Post #29 » by **miller31time** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:43 pm

Dat2U wrote:
miller31time wrote:^^^ Good lord. That seems like a lot of unnecessary moves. Milwaukee just downgraded from a near All-Star in Knight to MCW who is just terrible.

Phoenix is all over the place.

Boston may be the big winner here, depending on what they had to give up to get Thomas.

And last but not least, here are the Wizards with....

Ramon Sessions.

Kill me.

Milwaukee downgraded? I don't see it. Not an MCW fan but getting Ennis & Plumlee for Knight alone would be pretty darn good. Not a Brandon Knight fan. I thought Kidd worked magic this season to get Knight to the point where he wasn't killing the team at PG anymore.

Things are clicking for Milwaukee. Chemistry is a very delicate thing and now, you're throwing in a huge question-mark in MCW. It's putting a LOT of faith in Jason Kidd to assume you can plug MCW into the starting point guard position, give him a huge chunk of the team's usage and expect similar or better results. Yes, Plumlee and Ennis are pretty nice but not enough to make the risk worth it, in my opinion. Perhaps I dislike MCW more than you dislike Knight.

And now that the news has come out, Boston gave up a low first rounder and Marcus Thornton for Thomas. Absolute steal for them - Thomas is about as underrated as it gets in the NBA. Would have lost my mind if we somehow could have acquired him but of course, we have Grunfail on the phones.

Post #30 » by **miller31time** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:43 pm

Dat2U wrote:
miller31time wrote:^^^ Good lord. That seems like a lot of unnecessary moves. Milwaukee just downgraded from a near All-Star in Knight to MCW who is just terrible.

Phoenix is all over the place.

Boston may be the big winner here, depending on what they had to give up to get Thomas.

And last but not least, here are the Wizards with....

Ramon Sessions.

Kill me.

Milwaukee downgraded? I don't see it. Not an MCW fan but getting Ennis & Plumlee for Knight alone would be pretty darn good. Not a Brandon Knight fan. I thought Kidd worked magic this season to get Knight to the point where he wasn't killing the team at PG anymore.

Things are clicking for Milwaukee. Chemistry is a very delicate thing and now, you're throwing in a huge question-mark in MCW. It's putting a LOT of faith in Jason Kidd to assume you can plug MCW into the starting point guard position, give him a huge chunk of the team's usage and expect similar or better results. Yes, Plumlee and Ennis are pretty nice but not enough to make the risk worth it, in my opinion. Perhaps I dislike MCW more than you dislike Knight.

And now that the news has come out, Boston gave up a low first rounder and Marcus Thornton for Thomas. Absolute steal for them - Thomas is about as underrated as it gets in the NBA. Would have lost my mind if we somehow could have acquired him but of course, we have Grunfail on the phones.

Dark Faze · Post #31 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:50 pm

OKC got DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler, and Enes Kanter.

the dream is dead

Dark Faze · Post #32 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:52 pm

OKC got DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler, and Enes Kanter.

the dream is dead

Dat2U · Post #33 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:03 pm

Once again other teams playing chess while Pringles still plays checkers. I feel like many teams below us in the East improved while we simply re-arranged a single deck chair.

Post #34 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:10 pm

Dat2U wrote:Once again other teams playing chess while Pringles still plays checkers. I feel like many teams below us in the East improved while we simply re-arranged a single deck chair.

C'mon now, the Wizards traded a chair with white-and-green stripes for a chair with green-and-white stripes. It's a radical makeover.

Post #35 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:21 pm

Dat2U wrote:Once again other teams playing chess while Pringles still plays checkers. I feel like many teams below us in the East improved while we simply re-arranged a single deck chair.

Miami is a clear winner and I'd hate to be the team that faces them in the first round this year (would be funny if it was Cleveland and LeBron). But they will still have to deal with re-signing Dragic over the summer.

But I'm not sure about the others:

- Boston adds yet another guard to their backcourt-heavy rotation. They have several more deals to make before they are a complete team. Remember, Ainge has done this before (stockpiled mismatched young talent) and it failed until McHale bailed him out by agreeing to the KG trade. Who's going to bail him out this time?

- Milwaukee gets great value in the face of losing Knight for nothing, but I'm not convinced that they will sustain their recent run for the rest of the season. I'd put them as most likely to prove me wrong, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

- Brooklyn gets younger and better offensively by swapping KG for Young. But they also get smaller and lose their best interior defender. They're still stuck fighting for the 8th seed until those ridiculous contracts come off their books.

EDIT - Forgot to mention Detroit. Reggie Jackson fills an immediate need at PG for them, but is he the longterm answer to run that team (or any team) as a full-time point guard? I'm not sure. They'll also have to deal with re-signing him in the summer and he's already reportedly turned down $12M per because he thinks he's worth more. No, Detroit doesn't scare me either.

Post #36 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:22 pm

Dat2U wrote:
miller31time wrote:^^^ Good lord. That seems like a lot of unnecessary moves. Milwaukee just downgraded from a near All-Star in Knight to MCW who is just terrible.

Phoenix is all over the place.

Boston may be the big winner here, depending on what they had to give up to get Thomas.

And last but not least, here are the Wizards with....

Ramon Sessions.

Kill me.

Milwaukee downgraded? I don't see it. Not an MCW fan but getting Ennis & Plumlee for Knight alone would be pretty darn good. Not a Brandon Knight fan. I thought Kidd worked magic this season to get Knight to the point where he wasn't killing the team at PG anymore.

Pretty much exactly the way I felt for Milwaukee. I'm not a big fan of any of the 3 players they got - thought all 3 of them have been generally overrated - but... I didn't want to re-sign Knight for what he was going to get. And Kidd gets 2 PGs to mold. And considering he's getting Zaza to play well, Plumlee should fit right in.

Phoenix, otoh... they gave up 2 high quality guards, Plumlee, and maybe most importantly - the Lakers 2017 pick - which I think is only top 3 (or top 5?) protected. What did they end up getting back?

Post #37 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:Phoenix, otoh... they gave up 2 high quality guards, Plumlee, and maybe most importantly - the Lakers 2017 pick - which I think is only top 3 (or top 5?) protected. What did they end up getting back?

Brandon Knight, 2 picks from Miami, and cap space? Yeah, I'm really not sure what they're doing. Especially if they end up signing Knight to a big longterm deal this summer.

(Although I didn't see where they sent out the LAL pick.)

Post #38 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:38 pm

The only teams that improved were Miami and OKC. I have no idea what Milwaukee did, it was a move to make a move. If they couldn't pay Knight, at least punt that decision for a year. Either match the offer sheet or sign him for the 1 year tender. MCW can't shoot, IMO that makes them easier to defend than with Knight. And it's not like MCW will get rid of that loser mentality overnight. IDK.

OKC basically got an entire bench. They did great, but all of those guys are free agents this year so this is basically a win now move.

Phoenix, I guess? But they are a lottery team again.

The Celtics are a game and a half back from the 8th spot. Ainge might have accidentally made this a playoff team. You don't do this if you have the potential to get Okafor in the draft.

Miami did well w/Dragic but he won't be worth the money, and they are literally 6 deep. Wade is always a question mark health wise, so I'm suppose to be afraid of them rolling out Chalmers and Dragic as the starting backcourt?

Honestly, I talked myself out of what I initially said. Seems like OKC was the only one who improved and gave up the least.

nuposse04 · Post #39 » by **nuposse04** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:45 pm

Dragic does improve the Heat, but I don't know to what degree. He is a good scorer but he needs to share touches with Wade and Bosh. They'll work it out in due time, but they still need to climb a bit for the 6th spot, even more for the 5th. They aren't a deep team. It does help them that MIL potentially **** themselves for the short term, although long term it may work out.

Post #40 » by **nate33** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:45 pm

Dark Faze wrote:OKC got DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler, and Enes Kanter.

the dream is dead

I dunno about that. Kanter is going to be a free agent wanting to be paid $12M+ a year. I also wonder what OKC gave up to get him. It couldn't have been just Perkins for Kanter. It looks like OKC is sending a 1st and a 2nd to Utah.

So in 2016, OKC will be paying:
Westbrook: $17.8M
Ibaka: $12.3M
Kanter: $14M?
Collison: $3.7M
Adams: $3.1M

If they resign Durant, a cheap shooting guard, and a backup wing, they'll be at the cap. But then the following year, Ibaka, Westbrook and Adams are all free agents looking for a big pay raise. Will OKC pay them all? Will Durant have faith that they'll pay them all?