2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II

gambitx777 · Post #21 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 7:45 pm

I would go all out for a Morris trade, I really like his game, and that would make a really good young team!
Wall/Sessions
Beal/Neal
Otto/Kelly O Jr.
Morris/Hump
Gortat/ NENE

Post #22 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 7:47 pm

dobrojim wrote:
nate33 wrote:The question is: do we really like Markieff Morris? Is he worth our pick and $8M a year in salary? He can score, but he doesn't rebound very well and his 3-point shot is passable at best. I haven't seen him in action much. How is his defense? Any explanation for the lackluster rebound totals?

I'm not sure I'm down with the idea of giving up our 1st next year which seems to be
a popular idea. Giving up draft picks just seems to have a way of not working out
in a lot of cases.

Agree on keeping the 2016 pick since we'll have to rebuild much of the team next summer (with or without Durant). I'd be more open giving up our 2017 pick if they'll take it.

WashWiz54 · Post #23 » by **WashWiz54** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 7:48 pm

I wonder if the David Lee trade makes Sullinger available? I think they're higher on Olynk so that kind of makes Sully the odd man out. I wanted him years ago and still would like him now.

Post #24 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 7:51 pm

JWizmentality wrote:David Lee to Boston for Gerald Wallace. WTF?!? That's all it took?

Money saving move (especially if they waive him and use the stretch provision). Same reason we got Dudley for nothing, and the Hawks got Splitter, etc...

Sluggerface · Post #25 » by **Sluggerface** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 7:54 pm

nate33 wrote:The question is: do we really like Markieff Morris? Is he worth our pick and $8M a year in salary? He can score, but he doesn't rebound very well and his 3-point shot is passable at best. I haven't seen him in action much. How is his defense? Any explanation for the lackluster rebound totals?

I think the allure with Morris is that (attitude issues aside) he's a starting caliber 4 in the pace and space era, young, and on a pretty cheap contract. I think he's worth a first, but an extremely late one, pick 25-30.

80sballboy · Post #26 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 8:29 pm

From Zach Lowe of Grantland.com
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-free-agency-winners-and-losers/

Winners: Second-Level Contenders Nailing the Little Things:Washington Wizards: There’s nothing fancy here, but they got Jared Dudley for nothing and Gary Neal for the biannual exception — just over $2 million. Dudley did great work in Milwaukee as a small-ball power forward, but he’s not a full Paul Pierce replacement. He doesn’t have a legacy of big-balls shot-making, and he can’t create shots off the dribble or from the post when a possession is dying.

nuposse04 · Post #27 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 8:44 pm

Josh Smith shot 33% from 3 pt land in HOU....which isn't horrible so in that sense he wouldn't be as bad a floor spacer as Nene. If he was available for a one year vet min, he'd be good to have. Certainly he would take advantage of Wall's athleticism and floor running as well.

JWizmentality · Post #28 » by **JWizmentality** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 8:53 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:David Lee to Boston for Gerald Wallace. WTF?!? That's all it took?

Money saving move (especially if they waive him and use the stretch provision). Same reason we got Dudley for nothing, and the Hawks got Splitter, etc...

Yes I know, but still... :-?

nuposse04 · Post #29 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:13 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618527894432837632[/tweet]

There has to be a trade somewhere in the works... I don't understand this...

nuposse04 · Post #30 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:15 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/618528455899025408[/tweet]

I guess we're just gonna player Gortat with a whole bunch of 1-3 guys and call it a season lol. :lol:

80sballboy · Post #31 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:18 pm

I guess you guys didn't listen to all the reports the last few days about going after a wing. Now we have eight: Beal, Webster, Neal, Oubre, Porter, Anderson, Temple, Dudley.

The Consiglieri · Post #32 » by **The Consiglieri** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:25 pm

I guess we just don't need any big men. This is just bizarre to me. Is there any semblance of reason to these decisions, did we just miss out on our guys and our postponing moves with the front court to later? Very confusing. Maybe we're going to package a guy or two? Just weird.

nuposse04 · Post #33 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:30 pm

Everybody read the reports but if you add in Wall and Beal, we got 9 guys that are primarily playing 1-3. Gortat/Nene for centers and Hump/Gooden for 4 I suppose. Anderson has a 8'8 standing reach surprisingly...so maybe he can play some 4? Don't know, don't subject myself to Nets games. He is a decent shooter, but that's all I see from a production standpoint.

80sballboy · Post #34 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:42 pm

Unless we cut Webster or trade somebody for a pick, Dez Wells might as well be trying out for another team. Aaron White is Europe-bound. Unless we don't re-sign Gooden.

80sballboy · Post #35 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:46 pm

nuposse04 wrote:Everybody read the reports but if you add in Wall and Beal, we got 9 guys that are primarily playing 1-3. Gortat/Nene for centers and Hump/Gooden for 4 I suppose. Anderson has a 8'8 standing reach surprisingly...so maybe he can play some 4? Don't know, don't subject myself to Nets games. He is a decent shooter, but that's all I see from a production standpoint.

Make that 10 with Sessions. If Gooden re-signs, we have Gooden, Hump, Nene, Blair and Gortat that can all play the 5. Dudley, Nene, Hump and Gooden can play the 4 (Blair in emergency). Anderson is 6-6, 220 so maybe he can play some 4 but not likely. Kind of a replacement for Butler.

nuposse04 · Post #36 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:47 pm

I'd honestly rather keep White then Gooden. We get a marginal player out of Gooden, he is a known streaky commodity. I'm ok with gambling on White at this point. Could we buyout and waive webster now? Would he even go for that?

80sballboy · Post #37 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:51 pm

nuposse04 wrote:I'd honestly rather keep White then Gooden. We get a marginal player out of Gooden, he is a known streaky commodity. I'm ok with gambling on White at this point. Could we buyout and waive webster now? Would he even go for that?

Yeah, I'm not a huge Gooden fan but he's a lot bigger at 6-10, 240 than White (6-9, 220) and can play some center. White hasn't proven he can make NBA three's yet. or physically can match up with four's. There's no rush to sign Gooden or any big yet. Let's see what White can do in the SL but most likely, he's going to Europe. If he can't help you this year, might as well stash him and hope he gets bigger and better.

nuposse04 · Post #38 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 9:56 pm

80sballboy wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I'd honestly rather keep White then Gooden. We get a marginal player out of Gooden, he is a known streaky commodity. I'm ok with gambling on White at this point. Could we buyout and waive webster now? Would he even go for that?

Yeah, I'm not a huge Gooden fan but he's a lot bigger at 6-10, 240 than White (6-9, 220) and can play some center. White hasn't proven he can make NBA three's yet. or physically can match up with four's. There's no rush to sign Gooden or any big yet. Let's see what White can do in the SL but most likely, he's going to Europe. If he can't help you this year, might as well stash him and hope he gets bigger and better.

If the plan is to sign a big who is going to PLAY with all of these wings then it prolly doesn't matter if said big can shoot or not. A guy like Jordan Hill or Khem Birch (yes I will thump his name until I can't anymore) might be able to play small ball center for us. And possibly situationally at the 4.

I just hope we don't settle on another year of Seraphin. Ugggh.

80sballboy · Post #39 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 10:06 pm

Look, we've really upgraded the bench big-time adding Neal, Anderson and Dudley. All solid players. We're giving up on Oubre making an impact next season I guess. We can also move Nene or somebody else before the deadline. Three good moves. Unfortunately Nene is still there to slow down the game at the 4 unless he gets benched. I like the wing options. Don't like the frontcourt options but maybe there's hope for one more move.

payitforward · Post #40 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jul 7, 2015 10:16 pm

nate33 wrote:The question is: do we really like Markieff Morris? Is he worth our pick and $8M a year in salary? He can score, but he doesn't rebound very well and his 3-point shot is passable at best. I haven't seen him in action much. How is his defense? Any explanation for the lackluster rebound totals?

Morris' EFG% is 49%; that's not good at all for a big. So his "passable" 3pt. shot isn't helping him. As to why he doesn't rebound, who knows. But he hasn't had even one respectable season as a rebounder in the NBA.

Look at NBA 4s who play 25+ minutes. Markieff Morris is in the bottom 20% in per 40 minute rebounding. In the top 15% in turnovers. In the top 15% in fouls. Below average in getting to the line. Bottom 20% in TS%. And he's about to turn 26, so this is not some "developing" player; this is a bad player, who's signed through June 2019.

Why would we want Markieff Morris? A nightmare.