Political Roundtable Part VIII

[nate33]

Trippin - I believe I read somewhere that most felons involved in gun related violence grew up in single parent households. Perhaps the most important thing we could do to reduce gun violence is for our leaders and press to repeat over and over and over....... Don't have babies out of wedlock

Saying that "Don't have babies out of wedlock" is a bit too simplistic. There are responsible parents r--male and female--who have chosen to have children out of wedlock and are doing an excellent job of raising their children. And then there are married couples who have raised kids that turn into mass murders. There's a lot that goes into why an individual turns to a life of violence. You can't simply blame it on unmarried people with children.

Kids with married parents, black or white, are almost never in poverty. Kids with unmarried parents usually are. Poverty is clearly correlated with all kinds of social dysfunction. Just because there are exceptions to the trend, doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist.

[DCZards]

Trippin - I believe I read somewhere that most felons involved in gun related violence grew up in single parent households. Perhaps the most important thing we could do to reduce gun violence is for our leaders and press to repeat over and over and over....... Don't have babies out of wedlock

Saying that "Don't have babies out of wedlock" is a bit too simplistic. There are responsible parents r--male and female--who have chosen to have children out of wedlock and are doing an excellent job of raising their children. And then there are married couples who have raised kids that turn into mass murders. There's a lot that goes into why an individual turns to a life of violence. You can't simply blame it on unmarried people with children.

Kids with married parents, black or white, are almost never in poverty. Kids with unmarried parents usually are. Poverty is clearly correlated with all kinds of social dysfunction. Just because there are exceptions to the trend, doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist.

Couldn't agree more. Poverty is a major driver of our social dysfunction. I'd love to see elected leaders, presidential candidates and other decisionmakers come forth with a concrete and realistic plan for tackling the issues of poverty and inequity, especially their impact on our education system.

[Trippinskarlo]

Saying that "Don't have babies out of wedlock" is a bit too simplistic. There are responsible parents r--male and female--who have chosen to have children out of wedlock and are doing an excellent job of raising their children. And then there are married couples who have raised kids that turn into mass murders. There's a lot that goes into why an individual turns to a life of violence. You can't simply blame it on unmarried people with children.

Kids with married parents, black or white, are almost never in poverty. Kids with unmarried parents usually are. Poverty is clearly correlated with all kinds of social dysfunction. Just because there are exceptions to the trend, doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist.

Couldn't agree more. Poverty is a major driver of our social dysfunction. I'd love to see elected leaders, presidential candidates and other decisionmakers come forth with a concrete and realistic plan for tackling the issues of poverty and inequity, especially their impact on our education system.

I agree with the points you guys have made about gun crime and the correlation to poverty and/or broken homes. I Have yet to here a policy prescription from gun control advocates that could be realistically passed in congress and decreases homicide rates. It just seems like semantics on both sides to me.

The right: The government wants all the control! They are taking your freedoms!

The Left: Turn in your guns the children are dying! Do you want children to die?!

In the end, for better or for worse, the majority of Americans are in support of the 2nd amendment. It just seems like hystarics from both sides that ultimately ends up being divisive. Wish Obama/other candidates would re-focus their attention on the economy, national defense, etc.

[popper]

ABC doesn't even try to hide it anymore. Clinton White House strategist and secret donor to their foundation, George Stephanopoulos, will interview Hillary this Sunday on This Week.

GS - Isn't it true that R's are evil and wage war on women?
HC - Exactly George. This is what I've been saying for quite some time now.

GS - Wasn't your family's past financial dependence on Wall Street justified by the need to rebuild NYC after 9/11 (unspoken of course - even though you and your husband collected massive donations before 9/11)?
HC - Well that's right George. I had an obligation to rebuild the financial center after the attack and I'm proud of the work I've done on behalf of NYC.

GS - I understand that the 1000 classified emails you sent and received on your private server were not, at that time, marked classified, so if we parse your third explanation for the events in question, can't we then say that you've been truthful?
HC - George, this is what I've said from the start. This was a political witch hunt orchestrated by evil R's.

GS - Well thank you for clearing that up and for joining us this morning Hillary. I've always admired you for the work you've done to save the world (unspoken - Libya notwithstanding) and particularly, the women.

[nate33]

Saying that "Don't have babies out of wedlock" is a bit too simplistic. There are responsible parents r--male and female--who have chosen to have children out of wedlock and are doing an excellent job of raising their children. And then there are married couples who have raised kids that turn into mass murders. There's a lot that goes into why an individual turns to a life of violence. You can't simply blame it on unmarried people with children.

Kids with married parents, black or white, are almost never in poverty. Kids with unmarried parents usually are. Poverty is clearly correlated with all kinds of social dysfunction. Just because there are exceptions to the trend, doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist.

Couldn't agree more. Poverty is a major driver of our social dysfunction. I'd love to see elected leaders, presidential candidates and other decisionmakers come forth with a concrete and realistic plan for tackling the issues of poverty and inequity, especially their impact on our education system.

It's not like they aren't trying. We've had Democrat-led wealth redistribution via the welfare system and it has made things worse, not better. And we've spent a lot of money on education too, yet the divergence between black and white test performance continues to increase.

Perhaps we ought to try something new, like restrict the importation of more poor people. Nah. Can't do that. That might take some power away from Democrat politicians.

[DCZards]

Perhaps we ought to try something new, like restrict the importation of more poor people. Nah. Can't do that. That might take some power away from Democrat politicians.

...or maybe we should deport those arrogant wealthy people who attack others with verbal insults, disparage people with disabilities, lies to the American people, and generally treat the common man with disdain. Nah. Can't do that. That would mean deporting the guy many Republicans apparently want elected president.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Kids with married parents, black or white, are almost never in poverty. Kids with unmarried parents usually are. Poverty is clearly correlated with all kinds of social dysfunction. Just because there are exceptions to the trend, doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist.

Couldn't agree more. Poverty is a major driver of our social dysfunction. I'd love to see elected leaders, presidential candidates and other decisionmakers come forth with a concrete and realistic plan for tackling the issues of poverty and inequity, especially their impact on our education system.

It's not like they aren't trying. We've had Democrat-led wealth redistribution via the welfare system and it has made things worse, not better. And we've spent a lot of money on education too, yet the divergence between black and white test performance continues to increase.

Perhaps we ought to try something new, like restrict the importation of more poor people. Nah. Can't do that. That might take some power away from Democrat politicians.

A point I made on another thread, but worth repeating: we have no idea whether the welfare system made things worse. Ditto for education. Ditto for virtually all our social spending. At the same time we established a safety net system, we began the era of mass incarceration.

[dckingsfan]

Saying that "Don't have babies out of wedlock" is a bit too simplistic. There are responsible parents r--male and female--who have chosen to have children out of wedlock and are doing an excellent job of raising their children. And then there are married couples who have raised kids that turn into mass murders. There's a lot that goes into why an individual turns to a life of violence. You can't simply blame it on unmarried people with children.

Kids with married parents, black or white, are almost never in poverty. Kids with unmarried parents usually are. Poverty is clearly correlated with all kinds of social dysfunction. Just because there are exceptions to the trend, doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist.

Couldn't agree more. Poverty is a major driver of our social dysfunction. I'd love to see elected leaders, presidential candidates and other decisionmakers come forth with a concrete and realistic plan for tackling the issues of poverty and inequity, especially their impact on our education system.

And what if a candidate came out on dual parenthood. Or at lease where both parents had to stay involved. Discussed how birth out of wedlock. Would that candidate get any votes for telling the truth or be shouted down?

The best thing that politicians could use is to help keep the family together - rarely do I see go initiatives coming from either party with regards to this issue. I think it has been a 3rd rail - maybe times are changing.

[dckingsfan]

Couldn't agree more. Poverty is a major driver of our social dysfunction. I'd love to see elected leaders, presidential candidates and other decisionmakers come forth with a concrete and realistic plan for tackling the issues of poverty and inequity, especially their impact on our education system.

It's not like they aren't trying. We've had Democrat-led wealth redistribution via the welfare system and it has made things worse, not better. And we've spent a lot of money on education too, yet the divergence between black and white test performance continues to increase.

Perhaps we ought to try something new, like restrict the importation of more poor people. Nah. Can't do that. That might take some power away from Democrat politicians.

A point I made on another thread, but worth repeating: we have no idea whether the welfare system made things worse. Ditto for education. Ditto for virtually all our social spending. At the same time we established a safety net system, we began the era of mass incarceration.

But we do know as the family unit goes - our problems quickly multiply.

[crackhed]

excuse the diversion but why do we profile these terrorists like celebrities on tv?
we should go dark on the terrorists, and keep the focus on the victims. terrorist name and country of origin is good enough.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Great question, crackhed.

I pray to God reasonable and capable persons-- like I think you are --can demonstrate just how stupid giving a-holes air time is. Media needs to be more us-friendly. There is news and there is overkill, sensationalism, fear-mongering, hate-mongering etc.

I would rather hear "idiots did this, ...but we will defeat them" type coverage.

They only win if media hyped them up more and more and their numbers grow. I hate that due to media we hear it non stop; but, I understand people need to be informed.

[Induveca]

excuse the diversion but why do we profile these terrorists like celebrities on tv?
we should go dark on the terrorists, and keep the focus on the victims. terrorist name and country of origin is good enough.

Fear sells. Sadly it's that simple.

[AFM]

Gotta keep one of these in my ruck sack, psycho shooter wont spot me behind a neon orange blanket

[Induveca]

Gotta keep one of these in my ruck sack, psycho shooter wont spot me behind a neon orange blanket

Anything defense related for civilians has been going through the roof since September. OSIS has gone up 40% in about 4 months. They make metal detectors, the ones you see at the airport. Most in the industry realize those are going to be purchased/deployed in the millions over the next few years.

Same with surveillance systems, and related software. Horrible environment, but might as well be a realist and play the market.

[AFM]

I wear bulletproof condoms, aint no psycho shooting my piece off

You can shoot me in the head, just make sure its the less important one

[fishercob]

I wear bulletproof condoms, aint no psycho shooting my piece off

You can shoot me in the head, just make sure its the less important one

Hate to break it to you, but thimbles aren't bulletproof.

[AFM]

I wear bulletproof condoms, aint no psycho shooting my piece off

You can shoot me in the head, just make sure its the less important one

Hate to break it to you, but thimbles aren't bulletproof.

No wonder I don't get a second date.


That, plus they walk in and see my life size Gilbert Arenas shrine complete with poopy shoes and gold plated desert eagles.

[DCZards]

excuse the diversion but why do we profile these terrorists like celebrities on tv?
we should go dark on the terrorists, and keep the focus on the victims. terrorist name and country of origin is good enough.

Fear sells. Sadly it's that simple.

Or...as we say in the news business..."if it bleeds it leads."

[popper]

This will be the future of Western European politics and it's quite easy to look at.

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen: the new wonder-girl of France's far-right

The niece of Marine Le Pen won her first election at the age of 22 and trounced a former prime minister, Alain Juppe, in a televised debate.

She is the new girl wonder of the French far right, a glamorous 25-year-old poised to break down many mainstream conservatives’ qualms about casting their vote for the Front National.

Since she was elected the youngest MP in French parliamentary history, aged 22 three years ago, while a second year Sorbonne law student, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, niece of Front President Marine and grand-daughter of its obstreperous founder Jean-Marie, has had the fastest learning curve in French politics since Bonaparte’s.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12035135/Marion-Marechal-Le-Pen-the-new-wonder-girl-of-Frances-far-right.html

[AFM]

Dayum, she could sacre-bleu me all night long bruh.