Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[daoneandonly]

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

[queridiculo]

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

In case you didn't notice, he called you a hypocrite and you're making his point without even realizing it by advancing your Clinton, Saudi corruption non-sense.

[JWizmentality]

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

You lack any sense of self awareness.

[daoneandonly]

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

You lack any sense of self awareness.

and you lack any sense of morality if you think a person has a right to kill their child because they weren't planned, so I'll take the former between the 2.

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

In case you didn't notice, he called you a hypocrite and you're making his point without even realizing it by advancing your Clinton, Saudi corruption non-sense.

Yeah I'm aware, he's just one to talk. He calls out people for voting for a corrupt person like Trump, as if the other choice was some saint and not without her very own set of warts. But hey, she'll keep baby killing in line along with stupid legislation like ACA, so why not?

[daoneandonly]

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

You lack any sense of self awareness.

and you lack any sense of morality if you think a person has a right to kill their child because they weren't planned, so I'll take the former between the 2.

Conservative logic = but but Hillary. The ultimate conservative boogie man. Spare me.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

In case you didn't notice, he called you a hypocrite and you're making his point without even realizing it by advancing your Clinton, Saudi corruption non-sense.

Yeah I'm aware, he's just one to talk. He calls out people for voting for a corrupt person like Trump, as if the other choice was some saint and not without her very own set of warts. But hey, she'll keep baby killing in full force along with stupid legislation like ACA, so why not?

[stilldropin20]

Looks like Republican presidents cause African American unemployment to trend up, and Democratic presidents cause it to trend down. My spidey senses tell me to watch out for your yoda ninja mind meld psyops

I'm not a republican!!!!!! I'm an independent!!!!

1. I am an economic nationalist.
2. I am somewhat progressive but mostly a populist.
3. I am conservative leaning as in i believe in law and order.
4. I am socially liberal in that I am a hard core civil libertarian.
5. I am hard core pro life after 18-20 weeks. But pro choice before that time.

No politician checks all my boxes. But trump is the closest thing to the perfect politican for me right now.

And trump is killing it for black, white, and brown people. Killing it!! The only reason you dont think so is because he pushed back hard on obama, his stance on immigration, and liberal media doing everything they can to destroy him.

Trump will go down as Goat President of the modern era. No way around it right now. He changed politics forever and for the better.

His greatest contribution will be that the american people will no longer be fooled into thinking that choir boys run the country. The sheep have woken. You can thank donald trump.

I'm brown, and I will give Trump this, my paycheck is $200 richer after his tax changes. Unlike where my health coverage went up 21% after ACA.

I'm brown too. I'm an oral surgeon and own multiple dental pracitces. I'm a realtor and I own a small real estate business and I own a small real estate development company. And a construction company. My employees are at about 70-80% black and brown. My clients and patients are about 70% black and brown. I write their checks and see their income levels when they apply for credit to buy houses and finance their dental work. And I can tell everyone on here...(NOT anecdotally because I have over 15,000 patients spread over 4 dental practices)...but empirically the black and brown community is finally doing good again.

Let me say this: I have software that allows me to see available credit to my entire patient base. We have gone from over $2.5 million in available credit in 2007 down to less than $250K from 2009-2016 and now back up to about 1.7 million. Not quite the 2.5 but getting close.

My gross income(net income is significantly less) averaged $4.4 million in dentistry from 2005-2007. 2008-2016 gross income dropped to 2.3 million. <--nearly half!!!

and somehow...miraculously...we got back on a 320K month income pace in November 2016! As if a magic wand was waved. and I am not making this up. my collections in in june 2016-oct 2016 were about 200K per month. We are back to doing $350-400K per month and have remain here for trump's entire presidency. And frankly, this is why i post on here.

I see the numbers! I see the success. I have 15,000-18,000 patients on the southside of chicago. Between all of my offices, we see almost 300 per day!!. We have been seeing 100 new patients per month for over 1 year! My patient base has money again. They have available credit again. They are telling me about new home purchases. refinishing their basements. new jobs. raises. etc.

Now lets talk about my dental W2 employees. I now have about 30 w2employees. I dropped to about 24 during the recession and cut their hours significantly. in january 2017, They all got raises and more importantly increased hours starting in Novemeber 2016 as our numbers started to surge again due to optimism in the economy and new hires. that optimism created tons of new jobs. and those people ended up in my offices with both income to pay and insurance to help pay. Our numbers skyrocketed. Our older retired patients borrow against their 401K's often for expensive stuff like new dentures and crown and bridge or implant work. Those 401K's sky rocketed since trump and it allows them to feel more comfortably borrowing against their savings.

Bottom line: My total W2 salaries deductions were around $1.1M between 2005 and 2008. That dropped to $600k between 2009 and 2016. And is now at $1.2M due to $2-3 per hour raises and increased hours. We are on pace to collect 5.2 million this year!!!! and they are paying less taxes because i can see my emplyer contribution (half of fica/medi/ss/UE) is 3-4% lower than usual. I see it every month on my payroll reports. So their taxes are lower as well.

Here's the deal 2008-2015 was a nightmare. ACA didn't do anything for me!! and I'm in healthcare!!! 80% black and brown patient base suffered greatly in this time. nothing. I saw the numbers. I lived through it. It was awful!!
Obama policies did nothing!!

Trump economy is working for all of us. Its amazing!!!! AMAZING!!!!!!

all of my offices are in working class and working poor neighborhoods except that is in middle class hood. I dont think the liberals that post in this thread have a clue what its actually like in a neighborhood like this. I dont think they ever lived or worked in a neighborhood with 60-80% unemployment. I do. I own real estate in here with boarded up store fronts because small businesses cant survive. I own dental practices in here. I live it. I feel it. I am from here. I was born here. and the people (MY PEOPLE) are finally doing better again. FINALLY!!!! FINALLY!!!!

And i just want to ride this wave as long as possible. I dont want to hear the stories anymore. parents crying on my shoulders because they cant find work. parents crying about their children going to prison because they did something stupid out of desperation because they didn't have enough money. I'm sick and tired of listening to affluent liberals speaking down to me about the affects of globalism and bad immigration robbing our black and brown communities of jobs, optimism, and therefor credit, because they dont live in the damn hood!!!!! they dont work in the damn hood!!! they dont know shxt about the damn hood!!!! Nothing!!!! But they come on here everyday supporting open boarders, and whole sale immigration and sanctuary cities in effect supporting illegal immigration as well.

TLDR: trump is killing it for black and brown americans right now!! killing it!!!

now ask me about real estate. I'm a licensed realtor and buy a lot of real estate. I know the number here too. 10,000,000 american lost their homes from 2008-2016. 8,000,000 more are upside down on their equity in their home!! travesty!! black and brown folks bore the brunt of this burden as well!!! WHY!! Why obama!!??? Why!!! Because Obama was in over his head!! he had no idea what he was doing!! no effing idea!! not a clue!!!!

[dckingsfan]

The unmitigated gall of someone to admit that they know Trump is a morally bankrupt individual but they voted for him because of SCOTUS but turn around and accuse people of being part of the "Baby Killing Brigade." So I will vote for anyone as long as they have an R attached, any morality be damned...but I'll still stand on my sanctimonious high horse and look down at you sinful liberals.

Ha! Good ole Christianity.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/tim-murphy-republican-congress-abortion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/16/congressman-who-advised-ex-wife-to-seek-abortion-votes-for-late-term-abortion-ban/

I can see the appeal of being a conservative white christian, it's only a sin when others do it.

Again lumping a few losers with the whole base. I stand by my feleing son abortion, mother or baby's life is in danger, or rape, of course abortion is an option. Horrible situation to human should ever have to endure.

But oopsie, we're pregnant and have an abortion, heartless, callous, vile. But there's a lot of actions have no consequences and not being accountable going around among the leftish beleifs

JWiz & queridiculo - his position makes sense (single issue abortion). If your single issue is abortion, you would of course vote for Trump regardless of Trump the person.

You just have to let this one go. He has his reasoned stance - his feeling is the left are baby killers. There is no argument that you can pose to change his mind. And everything can be rationalized within that context (even things like the women has to prove that her life is in danger or that she was raped - which can almost never be done in time).

His is a minority position - but to change (back), women have to come out and vote.

[dckingsfan]

...stupid legislation like ACA, so why not?

Please indulge me on this - what better legislation has been introduced by this administration? How has this administration addressed this elephant in the room? Show me where the Rs legislative approach to the cost drivers of healthcare is markedly better?

[daoneandonly]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/tim-murphy-republican-congress-abortion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/16/congressman-who-advised-ex-wife-to-seek-abortion-votes-for-late-term-abortion-ban/

I can see the appeal of being a conservative white christian, it's only a sin when others do it.

Again lumping a few losers with the whole base. I stand by my feleing son abortion, mother or baby's life is in danger, or rape, of course abortion is an option. Horrible situation to human should ever have to endure.

But oopsie, we're pregnant and have an abortion, heartless, callous, vile. But there's a lot of actions have no consequences and not being accountable going around among the leftish beleifs

JWiz & queridiculo - his position makes sense (single issue abortion). If your single issue is abortion, you would of course vote for Trump regardless of Trump the person.

You just have to let this one go. He has his reasoned stance - his feeling is the left are baby killers. There is no argument that you can pose to change his mind. And everything can be rationalized within that context (even things like the women has to prove that her life is in danger or that she was raped - which can almost never be done in time).

His is a minority position - but to change (back), women have to come out and vote.

Not all liberals/Democrats are baby killers, but people who are pro choice support baby killing, I feel there's a distinction there

She does not have to prove her life is in danger or the baby, a licensed doctor can shed light on that.

And if a woman lies about being raped just to get an abortion, that speaks to the character, or lack thereof of said woman more than anything else ever could.

[TGW]

one issue voters *gags*

[daoneandonly]

one issue voters *gags*

So please share your list of issues that play a par tin how you vote.

Cause yeah, abortion was the reason I voted for Trump, I own it

But like I said, I appreciate having $200 more a paycheck thanks to Trump as well, heck i was able to buy a brand new car and this "suddenly found" money is paying for it. It was kind of the reverse with Obama where my health coverage kept skyrocketing thanks to what I can only believe is ACA.

[daoneandonly]

...stupid legislation like ACA, so why not?

Please indulge me on this - what better legislation has been introduced by this administration? How has this administration addressed this elephant in the room? Show me where the Rs legislative approach to the cost drivers of healthcare is markedly better?

I can't indulge you unfortunately because the R's have laid an egg myself, I'll give you that. All i can tell you is that prior to ACA, my health premiums went up in line with your expected inflation increases, whereas once ACA hit, that 5-7% what have you, suddenly went up 21%

[Wizardspride]

Again lumping a few losers with the whole base. I stand by my feleing son abortion, mother or baby's life is in danger, or rape, of course abortion is an option. Horrible situation to human should ever have to endure.

But oopsie, we're pregnant and have an abortion, heartless, callous, vile. But there's a lot of actions have no consequences and not being accountable going around among the leftish beleifs

JWiz & queridiculo - his position makes sense (single issue abortion). If your single issue is abortion, you would of course vote for Trump regardless of Trump the person.

You just have to let this one go. He has his reasoned stance - his feeling is the left are baby killers. There is no argument that you can pose to change his mind. And everything can be rationalized within that context (even things like the women has to prove that her life is in danger or that she was raped - which can almost never be done in time).

His is a minority position - but to change (back), women have to come out and vote.

Not all liberals/Democrats are baby killers, but people who are pro choice support baby killing, I feel there's a distinction there

She does not have to)).

I don't consider myself a supporter of "baby killing". I just happen to believe in the freedom of choice...even if its something I don't personally agree with.

But I get that this is your main issue and I respect it.

Disagree but respect it.

[daoneandonly]

JWiz & queridiculo - his position makes sense (single issue abortion). If your single issue is abortion, you would of course vote for Trump regardless of Trump the person.

You just have to let this one go. He has his reasoned stance - his feeling is the left are baby killers. There is no argument that you can pose to change his mind. And everything can be rationalized within that context (even things like the women has to prove that her life is in danger or that she was raped - which can almost never be done in time).

His is a minority position - but to change (back), women have to come out and vote.

Not all liberals/Democrats are baby killers, but people who are pro choice support baby killing, I feel there's a distinction there

She does not have to)).

I don't consider myself a supporter of "baby killing". I just happen to believe in the freedom of choice...even if its something I don't personally agree with.

But I get that this is your main issue and I respect it.

Disagree but respect it.

I appreciate that, and I can admit I cna get carried away with this. I just have a heart for babies, heck back in my devout Christian believer days, the toddler ministry is where I served and gave my heart's time. So it pains me to see how a parent can just so easily discard their child, their baby

But i've walked away form that life due to life's circumstances, so I know there's a population that thinks pro lifers are just judgmental Christians (not you of course) pushing their beliefs, I think there's more to it than that.

[JWizmentality]

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

You lack any sense of self awareness.

and you lack any sense of morality if you think a person has a right to kill their child because they weren't planned, so I'll take the former between the 2.

And Liberal logic = wha wha judgmental Christians, insecure old white men, wha wha. You're the one that tried to call out me voting for Trump with "unmitigated gall", Hillary was a huge reason why I did

In case you didn't notice, he called you a hypocrite and you're making his point without even realizing it by advancing your Clinton, Saudi corruption non-sense.

Yeah I'm aware, he's just one to talk. He calls out people for voting for a corrupt person like Trump, as if the other choice was some saint and not without her very own set of warts. But hey, she'll keep baby killing in line along with stupid legislation like ACA, so why not?

You're a walking talking point. Baby Killers! Blaaaaah!!! You're not worth debating. I didn't vote for or support Hillary Clinton.

[daoneandonly]

You lack any sense of self awareness.

and you lack any sense of morality if you think a person has a right to kill their child because they weren't planned, so I'll take the former between the 2.

In case you didn't notice, he called you a hypocrite and you're making his point without even realizing it by advancing your Clinton, Saudi corruption non-sense.

Yeah I'm aware, he's just one to talk. He calls out people for voting for a corrupt person like Trump, as if the other choice was some saint and not without her very own set of warts. But hey, she'll keep baby killing in line along with stupid legislation like ACA, so why not?

You're a walking talking point. Baby Killers! Blaaaaah!!! You're not worth debating. I didn't vote for or support Hillary Clinton.

So then why call out people who voted for Trump? there were only 2 realistic candidates on the balot, both were severely flawed and undeserving of the office, but that's the hand we were dealt

For the record, I was on team kasich the whole time

[stilldropin20]

history of african american unemployment.

take special note of barrack obama era.

Look at the tail end of peak unemployment. 3 years of 17-18% UE!! 4th year at 15%!!!

Slowest recovery of all time in modern history!!!

Now look at 1970-1975. 5.5%!!! <--globalization and too much immigration starting in the 70's was NOT a friend of the black community. At all!!! Yet its the democrats that push for both!! Libs want open boarders. Libs want globalization!! All at the expense of the black community!! The historic numbers dont lie!!

Instead, let's make america great again!!

Looks like Republican presidents cause African American unemployment to trend up, and Democratic presidents cause it to trend down. My spidey senses tell me to watch out for your yoda ninja mind meld psyops

also. this is about globalism vs economic nationalism. check out this graph.



The bush's own big global oil and big global investment banking houses. They are globalists. Clinton was actually decent as a president. he was a globalist and a bit of a nationalist. Bush 2 globalist. Nixon was a nationalist and killed it. Nixon was actually an amazing president on many afronts. Reagan was a nationalist but with an eye on growing american markets and therefore slight globalism. Trump is purely a nationalist and only wants to spread globally to further american agenda and american growth.

And thats what both of these charts show. The more you import, the higher our own unemployment numbers go. and black people get hurt the worst due to global unbalanced trade. Thats a fact. these charts dont lie. imports go up. immigration goes up. and african american unemployment also goes up! And its the poor and working poor that get hit hard.

Why vote for globalists??? Why????

[Pointgod]

Your party put one of the only people on Earth more corrupt than he was, so who deserves that blame? You see the news of the WP reporter brutally killed by the Saudi's? The same Suadi government Hillary's foundation took millions upon millions from

LOL ok so let’s say this right wing fan fiction is 100% true and correct and Hillary has accepted millions of dollars from KSA and it was all discretely funneled into the Clinton Foundation.

Should Trump be more friendly with the Saudis because of that? Is this an alliance you approve of and think is beneficial to Americans?

Good ol liberal logic

lmfao

Same logic that says government should stay out of our body chocies like abortion, but fund stuff for our bodies like PP

Yeah man the government banning abortion is the same thing as PP subsidizing contraception. Those two things have very comparable implications regarding bodily choices a woman can make. Same thing! You are very smart!

Yeah its fiction the Clinton Foundation took money from Suadi, that's just a huge right wing conspiracy, give me a break. No I dont support Trump being friendly with them, but election time I had no way of knowing he would, whereas we know the Clintons romance with them is all GREEN pastures

PP deals with women's bodies in a lot more ways than contraception, the mantra of "my body, my chocie", okay, your body, your money to pay for anything associated with it, not tax payers hard earned moolah. So yeah, makes sense.

I never knew Hillary Clinton managed to run the Clinton Foundation and act as Secretary of State. All this and while running a pedophile ring out of a pizza shop and personally murdering Seth Rich.

[I_Like_Dirt]

people who are pro choice support baby killing

This is so not true. Frankly, anyone who tries to shift pro-life and pro-choice to make the mutually exclusive when they very obviously aren't supports killing babies more than anyone. Anyone that's about banning a problem rather than dealing with it has no interest in actually dealing with it or trying to functionally limit it has no real interest in solving it no matter how much they claim they do. But we've been down that road before. I know where you stand.

[stilldropin20]

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