Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[smoothSeph]

Can we at least see Wall play again before we scream we need to get rid of him? It’s a 2 star league again, if he comes back to 85% of himself he + Beal + the development of Bryant/Hachimura/Brown/(possible lotto pick) should be good enough to make noise in the East

[DCZards]

Can we at least see Wall play again before we scream we need to get rid of him?

It’s a 2 star league again, if he comes back to 85% of himself he + Beal + the development of Bryant/Hachimura/Brown/(possible lotto pick) should be good enough to make noise in the East

Does make sense to do that.

[gambitx777]

Worst case wall is well diminished and still a pain in the dick and we have to deal with that.
Best case,
wall was out of shape overplaying weight, hurt and in pain and not trying, drinking and clubbing every night and not caring. So let's say all that had him at about 60-70 percent of prime max wall, with a bad attitude and litter effort.
Well he got hurt and had a kid seemingly that changed him a bit, he looks like he's lost a lot of Lbs and he's in shape now, he seems motivated and it looks like maybe the shock of his career being in danger and having a kid maybe changed him maybe he's making better life choices. He comes back willing to work hard and try harder which might make his shooting improve and his shot selection and over all game choices might get better .

So he gets healthy and fixes all those things he comes back we might see 80-90 percent wall. So where he might loose some he might gain some and over all we won't ever see 100% wall again if we ever did. But we might get 80, 85 percent wall with Max effort and a better attitude in the locker room which is better than what we've had for years. So let's hope for best case!

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Can we at least see Wall play again before we scream we need to get rid of him?

It’s a 2 star league again, if he comes back to 85% of himself he + Beal + the development of Bryant/Hachimura/Brown/(possible lotto pick) should be good enough to make noise in the East

Does make sense to do that.

Not to mention that there's really no alternative anyway. & that it is clearly the plan.

[smoothSeph]

Can we at least see Wall play again before we scream we need to get rid of him?

It’s a 2 star league again, if he comes back to 85% of himself he + Beal + the development of Bryant/Hachimura/Brown/(possible lotto pick) should be good enough to make noise in the East

Does make sense to do that.

Not to mention that there's really no alternative anyway. & that it is clearly the plan.

Well the post wasn’t directed to the front office, but to posters dead set on getting rid of Wall.

Not like our opinions influence their decision making anyway

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Fair enough.

[closg00]

The Miami Heat are willing to take on the remainder of Washington Wizards point guard John Wall's contract provided they acquire teammate Bradley Beal in a package deal, according to the Miami Herald's Barry Jackson.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845383-heat-trade-rumors-miami-could-absorb-john-wall-contract-to-acquire-bradley-beal

[gambitx777]

And I'd be willing to cut off my left nut to Mary a young grace kelly. (Google her if you don't know who that is). But the cost I'm willing to pay is mute if it's an impossible action to carry out. They are hard capped and there is no way to field a team with the contracts they have while taking wall and Beal with buttler on the team. Also the trade would include so many players coming into DC we wouldn't have spots for them all, and I'm sure we would insist on Herro and Bam and would push to not include James Johnson unleashed waives his player option, which is a nom-starter

The Miami Heat are willing to take on the remainder of Washington Wizards point guard John Wall's contract provided they acquire teammate Bradley Beal in a package deal, according to the Miami Herald's Barry Jackson.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845383-heat-trade-rumors-miami-could-absorb-john-wall-contract-to-acquire-bradley-beal

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And I'd be willing to cut off my left nut to Mary a young grace kelly. (Google her if you don't know who that is). But the cost I'm willing to pay is mute if it's an impossible action to carry out. They are hard capped and there is no way to field a team with the contracts they have while taking wall and Beal with buttler on the team. Also the trade would include so many players coming into DC we wouldn't have spots for them all, and I'm sure we would insist on Herro and Bam and would push to not include James Johnson unleashed waives his player option, which is a nom-starter

The Miami Heat are willing to take on the remainder of Washington Wizards point guard John Wall's contract provided they acquire teammate Bradley Beal in a package deal, according to the Miami Herald's Barry Jackson.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845383-heat-trade-rumors-miami-could-absorb-john-wall-contract-to-acquire-bradley-beal

"moot" not "mute" -- but otherwise right on.

As to Grace Kelly, when you are done googling, watch To Catch A Thief.

[gambitx777]

I love carry grant ! To this day I still catch the occasional Turner classics after noon marathon with my mom on Sunday afternoons.

And I'd be willing to cut off my left nut to Mary a young grace kelly. (Google her if you don't know who that is). But the cost I'm willing to pay is mute if it's an impossible action to carry out. They are hard capped and there is no way to field a team with the contracts they have while taking wall and Beal with buttler on the team. Also the trade would include so many players coming into DC we wouldn't have spots for them all, and I'm sure we would insist on Herro and Bam and would push to not include James Johnson unleashed waives his player option, which is a nom-starter

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845383-heat-trade-rumors-miami-could-absorb-john-wall-contract-to-acquire-bradley-beal

"moot" not "mute" -- but otherwise right on.

As to Grace Kelly, when you are done googling, watch To Catch A Thief.

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I love carry grant ! To this day I still catch the occasional Turner classics after noon marathon with my mom on Sunday afternoons.

And I'd be willing to cut off my left nut to Mary a young grace kelly. (Google her if you don't know who that is). But the cost I'm willing to pay is mute if it's an impossible action to carry out. They are hard capped and there is no way to field a team with the contracts they have while taking wall and Beal with buttler on the team. Also the trade would include so many players coming into DC we wouldn't have spots for them all, and I'm sure we would insist on Herro and Bam and would push to not include James Johnson unleashed waives his player option, which is a nom-starter

"moot" not "mute" -- but otherwise right on.

As to Grace Kelly, when you are done googling, watch To Catch A Thief.

To understand what a great actor Cary Grant was, watch Only Angels Have Wings back to back with Bringing Up Baby.

[dckingsfan]

Wow, the Heat would take Wall if it also meant landing Beal - fascinating.

[doclinkin]

Wow, the Heat would take Wall if it also meant landing Beal - fascinating.

Right. I would take Durant’s contract off of the Nets, but they’d have to throw in Kyrie to balance the deal.




So stupid

[WallToWall]

Wow, the Heat would take Wall if it also meant landing Beal - fascinating.

We should thank them for the favor they do for us. They have our best interests in mind, I'm sure.
BTW, whoever the originator of that article is, know that he/she is a mouthpiece for the Heat, and color his/her words accordingly in the future.

[Dat2U]

I like Herro alot. I like Winslow. I like Bam. The problem is Miami's inability to includes picks until 2025. That's not going to work.

[queridiculo]

The time to trade Wall IMO, is in Summer of 2021. There's another set of free agents, and again, someone will strike out (looking at the Knicks). They could trade Wall into NY's cap space, and it's not like a Paul situation where he'd be 35/36 years old, he'd be 31 entering the Summer of '21. Like you said, if he's 90% back, or even 80%, what's the risk on NY's side? It's max 2 years, maybe 1 if Wall is looking to cash in one more contract.

Assuming the Wizards can secure a long term commitment from Beal, I think the perfect time to move Wall would probably be as early as 2020 and I already have the perfect destination in mind.

Pat Riley has put a tremendous amount of pressure on the organization with the Butler trade and they've got no time and practically zero options in FA or through trades to land an All-Star level talent to augment the sole star on the roster.

Looking at sportrac they've got $98.5 million in guaranteed contracts, $104 million if you assume they keep Edrice Adebayo non-guaranteed contract around.

Assuming that the cap balloons to $118 million for the season both teams should have enough cap room to make this transaction a simple Wall for James Johnson & Kelly Olynik swap, with Washington possibly being in position to extract some extra assets out of this deal if Wall shows out late in the 2019/2020 season.

Whether that really makes sense for Washington is an entirely different debate.

There's a real dearth of realistic free agency options in 2021 and 2022, and perhaps the idea of trying to win with John Wall and Bradley Beal isn't that far fetched 3 years from now when a god portion of the current crop of stars is well on their way to being on their last legs.

Getting Masai and pursuing a Giannis moonshot would obviously be an option but I imagine that things would have to go really, really wrong in Milwaukee for any team being able to have realistic hopes of swaying him to join.

[nate33]

Getting Masai and pursuing a Giannis moonshot would obviously be an option but I imagine that things would have to go really, really wrong in Milwaukee for any team being able to have realistic hopes of swaying him to join.

I don't think that's totally unrealistic. If we unloaded Wall for expirings in 2020 and still managed to play above .500 ball in 2020-21 on the strength of Beal, Bryant, Brown, Hachimura, and our 2020 lotto pick, we would definitely be an attractive destination.

Meanwhile, if Milwaukee falls short of the Finals the next two years because Middleton isn't a good enough second guy (and their cap situation gives them no flexibility to improve things), coming to DC might be really intriguing.

PG 2020 1st
SG Beal
SF Hachimura/Brown
PF Giannis
C Bryant

Come to think of it, this might actually be their plan. It would explain why they were so adverse to resigning Sato to a 3 year deal. Maybe the plan is to unload Wall's salary by 2021 and see if they can entice a max free agent to join Beal and the rookie contract guys.

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That's an interesting thought, nate.... It's a long shot, obviously, but no one can be thinking of it in any other way. Meanwhile, that pace of a rebuild opens other possibilities as well.

[gambitx777]

That would make sense with how patient Beal is if he hoenstly likes it here he might be willing to see how that plan plays out. And then if we strike out he asks for a trade and we rebuild after having 2 seasons to build assets.

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[nate33]

That would make sense with how patient Beal is if he hoenstly likes it here he might be willing to see how that plan plays out. And then if we strike out he asks for a trade and we rebuild after having 2 seasons to build assets.

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Of course, the big question is whether or not Beal will agree to an extension before Summer 2021. I don't want Beal's free agency decision to hinge upon whether or not we land a top tier free agent in 2021. If Beal won't commit to an extension before the start of the 2020-21 season, I'd definitely start shopping him.

I really want to keep Beal, but I don't want to risk losing him for nothing.