Our three 2-way players?

gambitx777 · Post #21 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:49 pm

So Im.not sure this new guy stays on a two way. Some gms are craft and do favors with two ways you can sign a guy get him paid cut him and sign him to the g league and effectively giving him a bonus I think? Correct me if Im wrong.

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Eli Babak · Post #22 » by **Eli Babak** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:43 pm

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Frichuela · Post #23 » by **Frichuela** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:50 pm

Eli Babak wrote:

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Big fan of Butler. Great move.

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Post #24 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 pm

Eli Babak wrote:

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Let's go!

Woohoo! Somebody tell NatP4. It's a Festivus Miracle!

Seriously, I really like the signing.

Post #25 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:54 pm

Honestly, I like Butler better than both Quenton Jackson AND Ryan Rollins. I'd put him 3rd on the depth chart behind Poole and Wright, and I'd look to move Wright and promote Butler to backup PG.

Post #26 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:56 pm

FWIW, Quenton Jackson is 2 years older than Butler. So even if you liked Jackson and consider this a lateral move, it still makes sense from the standpoint of potential upside.

Post #27 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:19 pm

Here are Butler's per 36 numbers in summer league:

32.0 points
6.9 assists
3.2 rebounds
2.9 steals
0.5 blocks
.644 TS%

THAT'S what you are supposed to do as a veteran in summer league. Total domination. The only blemish is that he committed 4.5 turnovers per 36.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #28 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:25 pm

Dang. This is a new regime.

Apparently no one told them it’s ok to take a 10 week vacation to Hungary after the draft.

I mean, this is crazy. They are actually looking to add talent when it’s available.

Post #29 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:41 pm

A lot of people were talking about him here in threads like the Summer League thread. I have more confidence in him than in PBJ or Ryan Rollins to make it as a rotation piece from what I've heard (haven't seen enough of any of them yet to really have any surety).

payitforward · Post #30 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:45 pm

I did like Quenton Jackson -- especially off his college numbers & what I could garner about him from watching his highlights over the last 2 years of his college career. He looked good in the G League last year as well.

That said, I wouldn't have hesitated a moment to sign Jared Butler over Jackson. The kid seemed to be a first-round talent -- I remember Ruzious particularly liked him (Ruzious, where the hall are you, brother? We want you back here!!) -- who then fell in the draft almost entirely because of his heart issues. He was cleared to play, & I hope these & any other health issues are behind him.

OTOH, this signing really isn't "Butler over Jackson."
Starting this season, teams can have three guys on 2-way contracts, & we have only two: Omoruyi & Butler -- both of whom have OKC connections, btw.

Speaking of which, OKC still has way too many players under contract, 18 with guaranteed contracts plus 2 non-guaranteed. Plus, so far, only one 2-way guy. No matter how you slice it, three guys are going to have to go.

Given our ties to OKC, & that we're in the other conference, I'm thinking -- hoping, to tell the truth, that we may still wind up with another new face or two: Isaiah Joe & Aaron Wiggins are both productive young players, & neither is guaranteed.

NatP4 · Post #31 » by **NatP4** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:22 am

nate33 wrote:
Eli Babak wrote:

Read on Twitter

Let's go!

Woohoo! Somebody tell NatP4. It's a Festivus Miracle!

Seriously, I really like the signing.

LETS GO!!!

We have a special front office, finally.

gambitx777 · Post #32 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:28 am

Lol! I mean I really like butler too! But man we are way too happy about this. But **** it good for you young fella!

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NatP4 · Post #33 » by **NatP4** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:36 am

Better prospect than Jackson, Rollins, and PBJ. This could really be our PG of the future. Fantastic pickup.

NatP4 · Post #34 » by **NatP4** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:41 am

gambitx777 wrote:Lol! I mean I really like butler too! But man we are way too happy about this. But **** it good for you young fella!

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G-League (808 minutes):

20.1 points 7.7 assists 3.8 rebounds 2.7 turnovers 1.1 steals 55.3% TS.

Same exact player at Baylor 20-6-4-2 on 60% TS and elite defense.

Just dominated summer league, absolutely torched us.

I was set on him being the next Haliburton-like upperclassmen guard that goes in the 8-12 range of the draft out of the big 12. Dude has top shelf intangibles. We shall see.

Kanyewest · Post #35 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:52 am

Funny that the Wizards managed to get Jared Butler after getting rid Isiaah Todd given that both were from the same draft.

Also maybe Butler will get his confidence back once he gets to play against Corey Kispert, who he beat in the NCAA title game. Kind of like how Donte Divincenzo got to play with Jordan Poole after he beat him in the 2018 NCAA title game.

NatP4 · Post #36 » by **NatP4** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:03 am

Kanyewest wrote:Funny that the Wizards managed to get Jared Butler after getting rid Isiaah Todd given that both were from the same draft.

Also maybe Butler will get his confidence back once he gets to play against Corey Kispert, who he beat in the NCAA title game. Kind of like how Donte Divincenzo got to play with Jordan Poole after he beat him in the 2018 NCAA title game.

That future Jared Butler-Johnny Davis backcourt is gonna shock some people.

doclinkin · Post #37 » by **doclinkin** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:40 am

NatP4 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Funny that the Wizards managed to get Jared Butler after getting rid Isiaah Todd given that both were from the same draft.

Also maybe Butler will get his confidence back once he gets to play against Corey Kispert, who he beat in the NCAA title game. Kind of like how Donte Divincenzo got to play with Jordan Poole after he beat him in the 2018 NCAA title game.

That future Jared Butler-Johnny Davis backcourt is gonna shock some people.

I was thinking about this. Not strictly about those two but about the defensive potential of our 2nd line. Envisioning the ideal synergy and development of our players we could have a defensive front that could stonewall opponents to hold a lead when the starters need a rest.

Wright - size, IQ
Johnny D - hustle, rebounding
Bilal - length, shot blocking
Deni - positioning, footwork, angles, team play, IQ
… Gafford - rim protection

The activity, switchability and savvy in positions 1-4 deters outside shooting and slows penetration, giving Gafford and Bilal time to close to erase shots midair.

Granted Gafford will start and Deni likely does. But Kispert will earn time at 2/3 so there will be minutes for Deni to play with the shock troop reserves.

We do need more solid young talent at center though. Still, this wing configuration lets the C play drop coverage, which opens up options for personnel at that spot. All we have to do is add Zack Edey in next years draft and we are nasty.

Subbing Butler in place of Wright (or Davis) gives a captain to the defense, if his NCAA leadership ultimately translates to the next level. I’d wanted to snatch Davion Mitchell if I could, but his Baylor backcourt mate is a solid consolation prize.

Post #38 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:59 am

doclinkin wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Funny that the Wizards managed to get Jared Butler after getting rid Isiaah Todd given that both were from the same draft.

Also maybe Butler will get his confidence back once he gets to play against Corey Kispert, who he beat in the NCAA title game. Kind of like how Donte Divincenzo got to play with Jordan Poole after he beat him in the 2018 NCAA title game.

That future Jared Butler-Johnny Davis backcourt is gonna shock some people.

I was thinking about this. Not strictly about those two but about the defensive potential of our 2nd line. Envisioning the ideal synergy and development of our players we could have a defensive front that could stonewall opponents to hold a lead when the starters need a rest.

Wright - size, IQ
Johnny D - hustle, rebounding
Bilal - length, shot blocking
Deni - positioning, footwork, angles, team play, IQ
… Gafford - rim protection

The activity, switchability and savvy in positions 1-4 deters outside shooting and slows penetration, giving Gafford and Bilal time to close to erase shots midair.

Granted Gafford will start and Deni likely does. But Kispert will earn time at 2/3 so there will be minutes for Deni to play with the shock troop reserves.

We do need more solid young talent at center though. Still, this wing configuration lets the C play drop coverage, which opens up options for personnel at that spot. All we have to do is add Zack Edey in next years draft and we are nasty.

Subbing Butler in place of Wright (or Davis) gives a captain to the defense, if his NCAA leadership ultimately translates to the next level. I’d wanted to snatch Davion Mitchell if I could, but his Baylor backcourt mate is a solid consolation prize.

There's no offense at all though.

As you said, Gafford won't be with the bench, it'll probably be Muscala. But at least Muscala opens things up a bit and allows Deni, Coulibali and Davis to attack a closeout and get to the rim while their shotblocker has to stick to Muscala spotting up. But they're still going to need a defense bender to get the offense going. Presumably, that will be Poole, probably in place of Davis.

It will be interesting to see if Butler can be a defense bender in place of Wright. His off-the-dribble 3-point game looks real good in G-League and Summer League. If that holds up and teams have to go topside on the pick-and-roll, he can get the defense into rotation and create for his teammates.

payitforward · Post #39 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:58 pm

nate33 wrote:It will be interesting to see if Butler can be a defense bender in place of Wright. His off-the-dribble 3-point game looks real good in G-League and Summer League. If that holds up and teams have to go topside on the pick-and-roll, he can get the defense into rotation and create for his teammates.

Note that in his rookie year Landry Shamet shot the 3 at .425 on 9+ attempts per 40 minutes. He's never equaled that, but his career % is .388. He can shoot the 3.

gambitx777 · Post #40 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:02 pm

So the 26 year old dude we go who was an OKC guy Im not interested in leaning his name. He's not making it past training camp imo. He's gonna get converted and waived to do him a favor and end up on the gogo. Keep an eye on the training camp invites.

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