Bub Carrington

[Dark Faze]

I dislike the pick. A guy with some good iso skills but can't draw a double in order to be much of a playmaker. Ceiling sounds like a bench scorer. I don't get it.

[Godymas]

he’s already 50% of the way to being called “Bust” Carrington

[LyricalRico]

If Deni is as good as more than half the people on this page think he is, then Deni would be requesting a new bigger contract in 3 years like the Knicks will be paying Anunoby. I for one am glad that the front office is harvesting their nuts, or picks in this case, for players that they don't see in the long term plan. We don't want to spend our money on Deni, before we get that great player.
Otherwise we'll end up doing a complete circle back to what we had 2 years ago with Beal leading the team.

We got younger last night and have more shots at getting a great player. We're setting our team up to grow with whoever we pick next year. This front office and coach seems to be really good at developing players. I have faith that they will be able to get the best out of the players that they selected last night. I'm as excited as I have been to be a Wizards fan since John Wall jumped on the scores table against Boston. My favorite player to route for last year was Bilal and can't wait to route for Sarr, Bub Carrington and Keyshon George. All 3 look like good picks from what I've read.

[Dark Faze]

Deni might become good and get paid is a weird reason to move him. If his value warrants a big extension then that's great for us. We pay him and then we trade him for strong assets if we think he doesn't fit the timeline. Simple.

[nate33]

I don't hate the pick. He's tall and long and not unathletic. And his pull-up midrange jumper is a go-to move that works. Then factor that he is one of the very youngest guys in the draft class and I can at least see the potential for him becoming a player that matters. I think he could have an upside of someone like Jamaal Murray.

The only guy on the board that I kinda liked more was Jared McCain. But Bub fits more into the prototype that Winger/Dawkins are looking for, so I get it.

[tontoz]

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That's the same vid i posted in the OP.

I think we are still reeling from last night.

[AFM]

I don’t know, I like the pick and I’m beginning to see what the FO is doing. I’m on my phone and out of the country so not writing an essay but they seem willing to make painful decisions like trading Deni for a chance at something special. Go big or go home. You might not like the return but you aren’t in the FO and this might be Deni’s value around the league. Half this board shat their pants when Hachimura was traded.
We added 3 nice young players last night and a few picks. Rebuilds are painful and good lord are we going to be bad this year. But I’ll enjoy watching these new kids play and grow.
Maybe this should have gone in another thread

[NatP4]

I don't hate the pick. He's tall and long and not unathletic. And his pull-up midrange jumper is a go-to move that works. Then factor that he is one of the very youngest guys in the draft class and I can at least see the potential for him becoming a player that matters. I think he could have an upside of someone like Jamaal Murray.

The only guy on the board that I kinda liked more was Jared McCain. But Bub fits more into the prototype that Winger/Dawkins are looking for, so I get it.

Trying hard to judge the pick in a vacuum, separate of the god-awful Deni trade. If we traded Kuzma for this pick, it would be okay. Hard to watch the best drafting team in the league over the last 20 years take Topic 2 picks above us.

Carrington is a Dejounte Murray clone in terms of the physical tools and underwhelming production. It’s a nice upside play with Carrington being 18 years old and having the 6’8 wingspan, and raw off the dribble shooting skills.

He was really coming on, last 5 or so games of the year. Per36 in those games: 18.6 points 4.7 rebounds 3.9 assists 0.6 steals 0.2 blocks 2.3 turnovers 62.7% TS 44.7% from 3. Was playing 37 minutes a game in that stretch against some good teams: BC, FSU, NC State, Wake Forest, and North Carolina.

Wasn’t in love with anyone else on the board in that 13-20ish range. Personally, was a little too low on the pick last night, had more to do with frustration with the Avdija deal, and narrowly missing out on Topic.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I love this pick! Bub is going to grow into his body and get to the basket. I also think he’ll be a better shooter in the NBA.
Now, the Kyshawn George pick, that I did not like at all. Not with Dadiet, Furphy and TSJ are sitting right there.

[tontoz]

Watch on YouTube

[Gig18]

I'm glad to hear him say that he recognizes that sometimes he settles for the longer jumper instead of taking it to the hoop. From watching his film I was getting strong Rip Hamilton/Jeff Malone "long 2" vibes.

[tontoz]

Prior to the draft I paid no attention to this guy. I hate the Deni trade but I like what I've seen from Bub.

As a side note I am definitely a fan of these draft junkies on YouTube like No Ceilings and Hoop Intellect.

[Halcyon]

I'm a fan, and some highly respected analysts really like this pick too.

[wewillnevertank]

Relative to expectations, Carrington, Holmes and Carter are my favorite prospects in this class. When the news broke that Dawkins was pursuing a third pick in the first round, my immediate hope was that we'd get one of those guys, and we did.

I can understand why some might question the Carrington pick given his struggle with consistency, but he's got a great first step and great feel in the PnR game and also an ability to get his own shot if a play breaks down. I don't know if he's the greatest defender right now, but he's definitely an active one. My biggest concern is his struggle to finish at the rim, which I think limits his ceiling. With the right coaching, he'll either be a low-end starter or a solid, Sato-level backup. At 14 in a weak draft, I think that's great value.

[badinage]

With the right coaching, he'll either be a low-end starter or a solid, Sato-level backup. At 14 in a weak draft, I think that's great value.

Uh, no.

If all he is, is a low-end starter or a Sato-level backup, then Dawkins has to get canned.

Dawkins jettisoned a 23-year-old, two-way point-forward who can board, who was just coming into his own (and who posted a 43-point, 15-rebound game this past year), and who had one of the best contracts in the league ... ALL SO THAT HE COULD MOVE UP AND DRAFT THIS DUDE.

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

[wewillnevertank]

Deni might become good and get paid is a weird reason to move him. If his value warrants a big extension then that's great for us. We pay him and then we trade him for strong assets if we think he doesn't fit the timeline. Simple.

You're not getting it. Deni already is good. We're proactively moving him because we already know he doesn't fit the timeline. This is the kind of move everyone was begging Tommy to do at the height of Beal's value because we knew we needed to kickstart a rebuild. The contract extension and NTC notwithstanding, the situation as a whole is a perfect example of what happens when you wait too long.

I get it. I like Deni, too. But y'all should've seen this coming after he signed such a fair deal. Kuz and Corey are next. There won't be any remnants of the past regime by 2026.

[tontoz]

With the right coaching, he'll either be a low-end starter or a solid, Sato-level backup. At 14 in a weak draft, I think that's great value.

Uh, no.

If all he is, is a low-end starter or a Sato-level backup, then Dawkins has to get canned.

Dawkins jettisoned a 23-year-old, two-way point-forward who can board, who was just coming into his own (and who posted a 43-point, 15-rebound game this past year), and who had one of the best contracts in the league ... ALL SO THAT HE COULD MOVE UP AND DRAFT THIS DUDE.

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

Yeah there is no way they trade Deni unless they believe Bub has star potential. Dawkins definitely made a statement with this move. Not a safe play at all.

Looks like the fell in love with Bub and decided to do whatever it took to get him.

[DCZards]

Uh, no.

If all he is, is a low-end starter or a Sato-level backup, then Dawkins has to get canned.

Dawkins jettisoned a 23-year-old, two-way point-forward who can board, who was just coming into his own (and who posted a 43-point, 15-rebound game this past year), and who had one of the best contracts in the league ... ALL SO THAT HE COULD MOVE UP AND DRAFT THIS DUDE.

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

C’mon badinage. Haliburton and SGA are great players. Asking that Bub become an all-NBA player like those guys to justify the trade is asking a bit much, isn’t it?

Is Deni destined to become an all-NBA player? I doubt it.

Yes, I do need (and expect) for Carrington to be better than a Sato or low-end starter. But let’s not set the bar unreasonably high.

[wewillnevertank]

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

The only "declaration" Dawkins is making is that he wants to build a young team in the mold of OKC. That takes a lot of time and many tough decisions. Bub doesn't need to be Shai or Hali to justify this trade. He just needs to be worthy of being part of the long-term core.

[badinage]

Uh, no.

If all he is, is a low-end starter or a Sato-level backup, then Dawkins has to get canned.

Dawkins jettisoned a 23-year-old, two-way point-forward who can board, who was just coming into his own (and who posted a 43-point, 15-rebound game this past year), and who had one of the best contracts in the league ... ALL SO THAT HE COULD MOVE UP AND DRAFT THIS DUDE.

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

C’mon badinage. Haliburton and SGA are great players. Asking that Bub become an all-NBA player like those guys to justify the trade is asking a bit much, isn’t it?

Is Deni destined to become an all-NBA player? I doubt it.

Yes, I do need (and expect) for Carrington to be better than a Sato or low-end starter. But let’s not set the bar unreasonably high.

It wasn't just a trade -- it was a declaration.

They worked him out privately and they sacrificed a major asset to get him (and yes, Deni is a major asset, even though he's still growing as a player, because his contract is so excellent).

If he busts, that's a huge embarrassment -- and, I would think, a fireable offense.

But if he's mid, or just slightly above -- that's ... not good, don't you think? I think that's ... pretty bad.

He has to pop.

Otherwise, what was the point? To acquire a guy who is a 7th man on an ECF/Finals team? A 6th man on that team? A 4th man on that team?