Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

[BrooklynBulls]

I have to agree with the general sentiment of this thread: I don't really understand it. I don't get why you couldn't get more out of the Bulls.

Which is why I suspect that more details will come out, and that you will get some sort of other future considerations.

[Dat2U]

We overpaid. Simple as that. That's why I'm so upset about it. EG has a terrible habit the last few years of buying high and selling low. The news about Chicago's Sacramento bluff is just damning. I think once again EG panicked and rushed to make a deal. We still had hours to go before the draft. We could have waited. It just seems like EG is ALWAYS the first guy to blink when dealing with other GMs. It's really disheartening.

I want to be confident in our direction going forward. I've really tried to be. I just knew we were getting a number pick, even said it before the lottery. But EG makes it so hard for me to maintain that enthusiasm. Leonsis really needed to clean house in the front office. I know Teddy is going to have faith and trust in Ernie to make the right basketball decisions and sadly I don't believe you can have faith and trust in everybody.

1. This trade was far too expensive, even just looking at this season alone Hinrich makes $9 mil. Even if you like him, he's still our backup PG. For the #17th pick, considering the going rate for other picks, we paid an extremely high price.

2. Hinrich isn't an expiring. This is not a BOYD scenario. We wipe out another $8 mil in space (and opportunity) in '11-'12. If we wanted a pick bad enough, couldn't we have just taken one or two of New Orleans' painful deals to get the #11? Didn't they already make it known that they'd dump the pick for Stojakovic's expiring? And nearly everyone that it was too steep a price and NO would eventually come down on those demands. With Hinrich's deal & the $3 mil cash we sent, we paid more for the #17 than we possibly could have for the #11.

3. We give a conference rival the inside track on landing two stars in arguably the greatest free agent class ever. If Chicago lands LeBron we nothing to blame but ourselves for that one.

4. Similar talent for far cheaper prices. I had been saying all week that buying a pick in the mid 20s would be soooo much cheaper than using a BOYD scenario on a pick in the teens. I also had been saying that you could find the same talent at #25 as you could at #15.

[miller31time]

It was probably already posted, but this tweet sums it up perfectly:

@johnhollinger OKC swallowed $2 million to get the 18th pick. Wash swallowed $17 million to get 17th pick. Quick quiz: Which team is run better?

Nicely said, Johnny boy.

How can the Wiz F.O not see how bad this is?

[LyricalRico]

Washington balks at giving a guy like Livingston 3 Mil (hey, even I want his knees to be checked out) but they have NO PROBLE of two years of Hinrich at 8.5Mil per.

I don't think it matters what the Wizards were willing to pay Livingston because I don't think he was going to take it. If you're a free agent who wants to be a starter, why would you sign longterm behind a guy who's going to be a franchise cornerstone? Maybe if we were a contender, but we aren't. I think he and the Wiz both know he was gone regardless of what happened tonight.

[cdouglas]

I'm sorry but can someone please to me WHY would be Wizards choose Hinrich! We're getting smaller and I'm getting angry!! Arenas and Wall looks much better than and Hinrich and Wall! What has Hinrich ever done as a Bull?? Someone please tell me!

[mhd]

Who do you guys want at 17? Assuming the top wings are gone, I'd want Alabi.

[cdouglas]

I'm sorry but can someone please to me WHY did the choose Hinrich? We're getting smaller and I'm getting angry!! Arenas and Wall looks much better than and Hinrich and Wall! What has Hinrich ever done as a Bull?? Someone please tell me! I'm scare to find out what the results are of this because are we trading away one of our players. Young???

[Tyrone Messby]

It's disheartening to think that EG might be here a few more years. He did it with GMGM, he'll do it with EG. I've wanted GMGM gone for a while because for years HE HASN'T ADDRESSED THE DEFENSE! Much like GMGM, EG got a get out of jail free card by landing a once in a generation talent.

[Hoopalotta]

I really believe [Livingston] gave no indication he wanted to be back here at all, regardless of the outcome.

I don't think it matters what the Wizards were willing to pay Livingston because I don't think he was going to take it.

How about them apples, huh? Lyrical and Krizko aligned nicely on something.

[Dat2U]

Who do you guys want at 17? Assuming the top wings are gone, I'd want Alabi.

Right now I'm guessing I'd look at Whiteside, Jones, Alabi or even Pondexter. Not sure of that order yet. Jones is the safest of those IMO but of course we don't need a guard now. It would probably come down to Whiteside or Alabi for me. Upside versus IQ. Reminds me a bit of the debate b/w McGee vs. Hibbert.

I've seen rumors for Elliot Williams & Damion James thus far.

[montestewart]

It was probably already posted, but this tweet sums it up perfectly:

@johnhollinger OKC swallowed $2 million to get the 18th pick. Wash swallowed $17 million to get 17th pick. Quick quiz: Which team is run better?

Nicely said, Johnny boy.

How can the Wiz F.O not see how bad this is?

The worst part about this is it reinforces a preexisting perception among rival GMs that EG's there for the taking. Save your worst deals for the Wizards; you never know, they just might bite.

It may not be such a bad deal in the long term by itself (maybe they flip Hinrich or there's another deal in the works), but the impression of the difference between this deal and the OKC deal further undermines the Wizards FO's ability to deal from a position of strength. I don't want GM Barney Fife.

[mhd]

I kind of see a little Wood in Alabi. He's a high character player, shoots excellent from the FT line, and is a very effective jump shooter. He was the centerpiece of the best defense in college.

[bgroban]

Instead of rushing to judgment over the deal, why not wait until the dust settles?

Geez.

[LyricalRico]

Who do you guys want at 17? Assuming the top wings are gone, I'd want Alabi.

Seems redundant with McGee. I'd rather go after Seraphin since we don't have anybody like him already on the roster. My second choice would be Pondexter.

[mhd]

I hope somehow Taj Gibson is in the deal. He'd be PERFECT as a backup PF to Blatche.

[Jajwanda]

Instead of rushing to judgment over the deal, why not wait until the dust settles?

Geez.

Correct. Expect Hinrich to be moved again very soon, perhaps to L.A. for expirings+pick. The reason the deal was done was to make a profit out of moving up towards the salary cap floor. The Wizards would not have been able to simply go into the season with their current salary level.

[eltacoman]

#35 #30 #17 can we move up to pacers 1st and dump hinrich on them

[sfam]

Hinrich might be a terrific guy but how much does he make and how well has he produced the last three seasons?

Personally, I think a dude like Gil having hit the bottom would be a better guy to come in and give 100% going at Wall in practice. He'd treat Wall like Jamison and Boykins treated him when he came into the league with GS. Gil is that much better a player than Hinrich as well. I think Wall probably understands a guy like Arenas and would benefit from knowing how to deal with stardom (as Gil did quite successfully the first few seasons).

sfam, I'm sure most people will agree with you about Kirk Hinrich being a great lockerroom guy. I on the other hand beleive Kirk just lost his job to Derrick Rose. Now he goes to being Wall's understudy/mentor? I don't see it.

I think this is a really bad move, potentially. Washington I hope (but doubt they do) better keep Gil around a while.

If this move was done with the intention of dumping Arenas and starting Hinrich, than I agree, its a pretty bad move. Perhaps I'm living in a dream world, but I think they're still going to wait and see how Gil and Wall play. If they rock, I doubt we see the Wizards dumping him - certainly for nothing - for a salami sandwich.

[Jajwanda]

Sasha Vujajic+Morrison S and T+2011 Laker 1st+Laker's 44 for Hinrich.

[mohammed10]

Anthony/Durant wasn't a realistic option especially since both are talking extensions with their respective clubs. Guys like LeBron/Bosh/Wade were not realistic options. That being said, I don't like Kirk Hinrich. While I think he's a decent defender, he can't knock down open shots nor is he a good passer.

The only saving grace from this deal is the #17 pick; it really depends on what kind of value the Wizards get. In the past two drafts, Hibbert and Jrue Holiday have been picked at #17. Although I think there is a good chance that you could strike out like the Nets did 3 years ago with Sean Williams

Um, did you forget who our GM is?