Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

DallasShalDune · Post #201 » by **DallasShalDune** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 9:52 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Blatche+Hinrich for Landry+Casspi+Thompson+Udrih

I'd do it, but I doubt they would. It depends on Blatche's value. Landry would complement McGee well.

Wall / Udrih
NY / Casspi
Shard / Howard
Landry / Thompson
McGee / Armstrong.

Not to shabby going into the off-season with a high lottery pick.

Dat2U · Post #202 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:24 pm

nate33 wrote:I think we'd have to throw in a little extra - at least a 2nd round pick or something. Both Landry and Thornton are expiring contracts so the sweetener won't have to be much, but Landry is better. A straight up trade doesn't seem fair from Sacramento's end.

Going even a step further. No one wants Thornton for his on-court value. He's a throw in at this stage. Trade filler. Imminently replaceable would be the key phrase here. Sacramento would probably ask for a 1st rounder or someone else at minimum. A second rounder and Thornton will get you a half eaten donut and a pot of burnt coffee.

Hoopalotta · Post #203 » by **Hoopalotta** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:38 pm

It should be mentioned that, despite his assorted strengths, Landry is amongst the worst defensive rebounders in the league at the power forward position. And the Wizards are, well, the second worst defensive rebounding team in the league. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is.....

I like the symmetry! :clap:

Ok, either that or I'm trying to say that we're not likely to extend him and he's basically a glorified expiring contract for us.

Casspi is interesting; he's limited maybe, but his strengths could potentially mesh with us.

It kind of fits his MO as to skilled bigs, but it would be a real indictment of Geoff Petrie if he wanted to go with both Blatche and Cousins in tandem (Thompson might balance things a bit).

Silvie Lysandra · Post #204 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 1:00 am

Yeah, let's trade a 6'11 finesse guy who can't rebound or play defense for a 6'9 inside scorer who can't rebound or play defense. Brilliant!

Carl Landry is a bum. His rebounds per 36 have gone down EVERY year since his rookie year. He's putting up a PER of 14, and is less efficient than Blatche right now.

Blatche sucks right now, and will probably never be anything more than a #4 or #5 starter on a good team, but Landry is not even close to being a starter-level player.

gesa2 · Post #205 » by **gesa2** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 1:32 am

Chaos Revenant wrote:Yeah, let's trade a 6'11 finesse guy who can't rebound or play defense for a 6'9 inside scorer who can't rebound or play defense. Brilliant!

21.41
17.73
19.02
That's Landry's PER his last 3 full seasons. He's been a significantly better offensive player than Blatche so far in their respective careers.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #206 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:18 am

So, it doesn't concern you that his rebounding and scoring efficiency have taken HUGE dips each season? And his defense and rebounding is worse than Andray Blatche? There are a lot of two guards that rebound better than Carl Landry, and he's fallen in love with his jumper lately.

There's a reason Morey got rid of him.

Abovelegit · Post #207 » by **Abovelegit** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:36 am

Chaos Revenant wrote:So, it doesn't concern you that his rebounding and scoring efficiency have taken HUGE dips each season? And his defense and rebounding is worse than Andray Blatche? There are a lot of two guards that rebound better than Carl Landry, and he's fallen in love with his jumper lately.

Did it ever occur to you that Dray is benefiting from being on one of the worst front lines in the game while Landry (during his best season) was playing alongside Scola and Hayes... not to mention was coming off the bench.

There's a reason Morey got rid of him.

He had to ship him out in order to get Kevin Martin. Landry was their most expendable asset at the time due to their log jam at the forward spot.

This deal is almost to good to be true. Blatche needs to get out immediately, we need more spot up shooters, and a true low post presence. Blatche is not a true low post presence whatsoever. However, the Kings are most likely looking for a PG, and with Ernie's obsession over keeping Hinrich, I don't believe we can put together an enticing offer for Sacto.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #208 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:12 am

Al Thornton is a better rebounder than Carl Landry. Al Thornton is a better defender than Carl Landry. Carl Landry's only major strength was scoring efficiency, and he hasn't even had that this year.

Carl Landry is more like Antwan Jamison than some rugged, tough big body, but people view him as that because he played on a scrappy Houston team. He'll put up 18/7 per night here on terrible efficiency...which is what we get from Andray Blatche already.

Abovelegit · Post #209 » by **Abovelegit** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:27 am

AL Thornton isn't a big man nor is he anything more than a glorified role player.

Terrible efficiency? Landry's has always been efficient...

But it's obvious your spewing bull and have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll just leave it at this.

Post #210 » by **montestewart** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:35 am

Abovelegit wrote:AL Thornton isn't a big man nor is he anything more than a glorified role player.

Terrible efficiency? Landry's has always been efficient...

But it's obvious your spewing bull and have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll just leave it at this.

Check basketballreference or any other source, Landry's efficiency has taken a big hit this year, even his FT% is down. Historically he's been quite efficient though, so is the the start of a decline or an off year brought on by a new team and other factors?

Abovelegit · Post #211 » by **Abovelegit** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:00 am

montestewart wrote:
Abovelegit wrote:AL Thornton isn't a big man nor is he anything more than a glorified role player.

Terrible efficiency? Landry's has always been efficient...

But it's obvious your spewing bull and have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll just leave it at this.

Check basketballreference or any other source, Landry's efficiency has taken a big hit this year, even his FT% is down. Historically he's been quite efficient though, so is the the start of a decline or an off year brought on by a new team and other factors?

That or it's because he's getting inconsistent minutes, which would explain why he's discontent with the team.

MF23 · Post #212 » by **MF23** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:14 am

The only factor that matters for the Wizards is that Landry's value has decreased and it should be easier to get him. The Houston Rocket Landry could the Wizards pf for some time. He's a hard worker and that's good for the Wizards going forward.

MJG · Post #213 » by **MJG** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:26 am

Thornton is a bad player. If we can get someone with a non-bad contract who is below average or better for him, I don't see any reason not to take it. Even if Landry continues to play the way he has so far this year forever and ever into the future, he's still better than Thornton.

MF23 · Post #214 » by **MF23** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:32 am

Seriously, if the Wizards can get Landry do it!

507Mack · Post #215 » by **507Mack** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:53 am

Landry is pretty old for a 3rd year player. Born in '83.

MJG · Post #216 » by **MJG** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:05 am

507Mack wrote:Landry is pretty old for a 3rd year player. Born in '83.

It's his fourth year, and he's younger than Thornton, who is also a fourth year player. They're both old for their experience level though, yea.

Dat2U · Post #217 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 8:14 am

Landry is a helluva lot better than Thornton but in reality he's not really a good fit for us.

1. Although his career PER is pretty good he's not really a starting caliber player. He's an undersized PF and as mentioned a poor rebounder to boot.

2. He's in line for a big pay day down the road. He'll soon change from a hard working, plucky team player on the cheap to an overpaid role player off the bench. The last thing a rebuilding team needs is overpaid veteran bench players.

3. He makes Trevor Booker totally irrelevant. Booker's best case scenario in terms of development is to be in the Landry type mold. Now Booker is a long way from reaching Landry's effectiveness and may never get there but trading for Landry would be pretty much admitting that we wasted a pick on Booker.

GhostsOfGil · Post #218 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:09 pm

idk about landry but i think jason thompson has always been an intriguing prospect.

Post #219 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:45 pm

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:idk about landry but i think jason thompson has always been an intriguing prospect.

I think the Kings want to keep Thompson. His outside shot complements Cousin's inside game.

Hoopalotta · Post #220 » by **Hoopalotta** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:58 pm

nate33 wrote:
zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:idk about landry but i think jason thompson has always been an intriguing prospect.

I think the Kings want to keep Thompson. His outside shot complements Cousin's inside game.

To my eyes, he's also a respectable interior defender too, so it seems a complement in a number of ways. He was on the trade block before, but I think he's swapped spots with Landry.

I would agree that he's of some interest, though probably more as a third big.