2011 DRAFT blather goes here. Part 3...

[Dark Faze]

Yea...sounds like moving up to #3 is the only hope we have right now...and is quite plausible.

[Illuminaire]

Beasely = inefficient, non-rebounding, ball hogging version of Jamison.

He's not fool's gold - that's an insult to pyrite.

[Severn Hoos]

Beasely = inefficient, non-rebounding, ball hogging version of Jamison.

He's not fool's gold - that's an insult to pyrite.

In other words, Jamison without the toughness, defense, and team approach. Sign me up!!!

[Illuminaire]

[doclinkin]

Moment of despair over. Back to the usual. I blame ji.

I'm more interested than ever to hear about what shakes out in workouts. Curious to see what shakes out, who rises, who falls.

The ESPN mock goes:
1. Cle -- Irving
2. Minny -- DWills
3. UTH -- Brandon Knight
4. Cle -- Kanter
5. Tor-- Jonas
6. WIZ-- Kawhi

Leaving Kemba and Bismack on the board. I know Walker will be a real player in this league. We have Wall and JorCraw, but I like the kid. I guess Utah has Devin Harris, maybe they take the shooter in BKnight instead.

I'm curious to see who the Wiz match against Leonard in tryouts, and how he performs.
Extra curious to know if Bismack can make a solid showing against his counterpart bigs.

The DX mock exposes both Biyombo and Kanter. Jon G has seen Enes against Jonas, and from that footage dropped Kanter four or five spots from the beginning ranking. Maybe he thinks he knows something about the knees. Otherwise you might wonder if GMs are feeding him bad info. I suspect JWall knows something about Kanter, and would endorse that selection, given any input. I'd bet the DX mock thinks we're set at PF, or at least comfortable with both Blatche and McGee. I'd bet Kanter would be the pick if he's still dangling at that spot.

[mohammed10]

Wow, fall two spots in the lottery and the whole board has gone delusional!! Beasley?! I'm going to bed.

[mohammed10]

well that could be true but again, people said the same thing about Z-Bo. You can grow up, espically with a good vetran coach.

Wait - did we fire Flip while I was away?

[WallToWall]

I'm not really enamored by anyone that is projected to be at the #6. At this point I'd be happy to trade it. I know its been covered in the trade thread, but I would see if #6 + #18 + future 1st for Howard is possible.

[mohammed10]

If the people that are supposed to change Beasley are Blatche, McGee and Young, then color me unimpressed.

In his absolute prime, Beasley is a poor man's Melo - a player who puts up the numbers but not the wins. He doesn't play defense and he requires a lot of the offense to run through him.

So miller - are you trying to tell us that you would not want to have Melo on this club?

In all seriousness, I would not want to flip Blatche for Beasley either. However, if Minny wants to part with the #2 for Blatche and #6, now we're talkin'

[mohammed10]

No way to Leonard. No way to Beasley.

1. Irving - The temptation to land DWill and a top flight PG in Knight or Walker is trumped by Irving being that much better.
2. DWill - Minny will take him or a team will trade up for him.
3. Utah has a surplus of bigs and won't need Kanter. There is no SG for them to take and it's a little early for one of the PGs. We trade up and grab Kanter. Cleveland will not be taking a 2nd PG at 4 and while Toronto might, there would still be one guaranteed to be at 6 and Raptors probably go with a 3 or 5 anyways. If Minny is picking 5 they will not go PG. I'd give up Crawford or possibly s/t NY. They wouldn't want Blatche and I'm not sure #18/34 is enough.

Count me in as one who hopes EG trades up to #2 and grabs DWill. Wall and DWill would solidify out lineup for years to come - not to mention accelerating our rebuilding project.

[Liverbird]

I think Utah at #3 is the best candidate for a trade up. I don't think Kanter will drop pass Cleveland at #4 as they will need a scoring big to pair with either Sideshow or Hickson and Kanter is the best fit. Utah doesn't seem to have an immediate need for a big and one of Knight or Kemba should still be available at #6 since Cleveland will unlikely draft another PG.

I trade #6 + #18 for #3 draft Kanter and be satisfied. The question is whether that would be enough. With the second round pick you draft an upperclassmen from a winning program with high IQ and work ethic.

[mohammed10]

Beasely = inefficient, non-rebounding, ball hogging version of Jamison.

He's not fool's gold - that's an insult to pyrite.

Woah - I nominate this for the quote of the month...well said, Illuminaire!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I think Utah at #3 is the best candidate for a trade up. I don't think Kanter will drop pass Cleveland at #4 as they will need a scoring big to pair with either Sideshow or Hickson and Kanter is the best fit. Utah doesn't seem to have an immediate need for a big and one of Knight or Kemba should still be available at #6 since Cleveland will unlikely draft another PG.

I trade #6 + #18 for #3 draft Kanter and be satisfied. The question is whether that would be enough. With the second round pick you draft an upperclassmen from a winning program with high IQ and work ethic.

I wouldn't be crushed by that scenario... But you'd better be really sold on Enes.

Thompson + Singleton

or

Kanter

tough call for a team with a lot of holes

[Ed Wood]

Say you a trade for Beas we must explore,
Say I he lies betwixt the three and four,
Star crossed scorer with skills perhaps he be,
Against, say I the PER Nineteen point three.

[pancakes3]

i'd rather trade down for singleton than sell the farm for kanter. with the talent available to be drafted and our team's needs, a 3 and d SF is exactly what we need (and this draft is poor in). while our situation in the frontcourt isn't ideal, we're certainly at least average. with blatche, mcgee, booker, and seraphin we've at least got bodies to work with. who do we have for the swingman rotation? Nick Young and Shard? also, another word of defense for the "hometown boy" of jordan williams... it's notsomuch Maryland homerism as it is "american, collegiate, big conference, averaged a double-double as an underclassman"-ism. Those guys are are hard to come by and the kid averaged 20/13 per40 pace adjusted in a competitive league as a 19 year old. i dunno, color me impressed as far as 2nd round prospects go.

[Liverbird]

I think Utah at #3 is the best candidate for a trade up. I don't think Kanter will drop pass Cleveland at #4 as they will need a scoring big to pair with either Sideshow or Hickson and Kanter is the best fit. Utah doesn't seem to have an immediate need for a big and one of Knight or Kemba should still be available at #6 since Cleveland will unlikely draft another PG.

I trade #6 + #18 for #3 draft Kanter and be satisfied. The question is whether that would be enough. With the second round pick you draft an upperclassmen from a winning program with high IQ and work ethic.

I wouldn't be crushed by that scenario... But you'd better be really sold on Enes.

Thompson + Singleton

or

Kanter

tough call for a team with a lot of holes

I take Kanter. He provides a perfect foil for McGee and will eventually enable Blatche to be moved (I don't think he'll want to come off the bench). With regard to Thompson, we already have 2 players in Booker and Seraphin that bring similar skills to the team. Singleton will be a decent pro but we can sign a FA veteran to his expected role. We're already a young team and we need to find a place for veterans on this team and bringing back Mo' would be fine with me.

BTW - I don't think either Morris brother is worth a lottery pick. I don't see them playing a large role in a winning team, other than spot minutes.
BTW #2 - No thanks to Beasley unless Blatche is going the other direction. No place for both of them on this team.

[nate33]

In general, I think SevernHoos had it right. Be patient. No trades until draft day. See who falls to us. If Kanter isn't available, try and trade up or trade down. If that doesn't pan out, go ahead and take Biyombo.

But if we draft Biyombo, we should try and move Seraphin. Ideally, we trade Seraphin for a pick high enough to grab Leonard or Singleton, or maybe Marcus Morris (if he projects as a SF).

[The Consiglieri]

Well, at least this means nobody we get next year will help immediately, hence we'll be in the lotto again!

It's funny, i watched a dvr recording of the lottery inbetween running the 3 mile and cooking dinner so i didnt have much time to think through anything other than "ahh <word i can't say>!" A few hours later this is exactly what I thought, well, we're gonna be picking high next year because we already stink, and we aint getting help from this draft, period. So at least we'll have a top 5-10 pick in a much better draft next year. Hopefully we can move a pick for a pick in next year's for greater flexibility. I couldn't care less about the 6 pick, I think its far more likely we get a bust w/that then we do with 18 or in a 18 and 34 trade up.

[Induveca]

Homer types are amazing. "Bring him home"? Really? That will just make trouble easier to find.

Beasley is a bum. Half Blatche Half JR Rider.

[Black Eyed Sooz]

David Aldridge just put up a rather bizarre mock draft of his own at nba.com- he has the Wiz taking Markieff Morris at #6 and at #18 he has us passing up Chris Singleton to take Davis Bertans, who's like 6 foot 10 and 95 pounds. He also has Bismack dropping to #16 and Kemba Walker at #21.

The one thing he said that makes sense is that the Wiz will probably think about using that #18 to move up from #6 as people have been talking about in this thread. I think it will probably not be enough. I would be love to throw Blatche in if that would help, but I'm not real optimistic about that.

The real question is- are we willing to do, say, Wiz #6 pick this year + 2012 1st round pick (unprotected) for the #3 pick? Tough call, but it probably would get the deal done.