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Post#201 » by closg00 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:14 pm

Season-low scoring out-put.
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Post#202 » by Black Eyed Sooz » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:14 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Just wondering how people feel about this statement: They are the exact same age, but right now IMO Rubio is a better PG than John Wall. Rubio has a feel for the game that Wall doesn't have.


Hard to argue with right now... but Rubio has also had a lot more pro experience than Wall since he started so young. And there were times he struggled the last couple years and people thought he wasn't going to live up to expectations- but he stuck with it and is clearly a world class point guard now.

I think Rubio is more an argument for patience with Wall than to give up on him
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Post#203 » by queridiculo » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:14 pm

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hermitkid wrote:Disgusting to watch. Ted Leonsis should be ashamed that he's charging people to watch this embarrassment of a team.


Yeah. I went to two games so far this year but no more. This is a disgrace to the game of basketball and until Ted makes the necessary moves, they don't deserve support.


I feel so bad for guys like you in the DC area that actually go out of their way to support the team by attending the home games. Sure, I've got my yearly sunk cost of spending money on the NBA ticket, but at least I get to watch some other teams so it's not all bad.

I find it almost borderline insulting when Ted Leonsis gets all high and mighty and preaches patience in light of this teams play.
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Re: 1PM, Rubio VS Wall (Wolves - Wiz Game Thread) 

Post#204 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:14 pm

Man we suck.

The defense is awful, the offense is even worse, Wall's game is a mess. Nobody can shoot. Basically, if Nick Young can't outscore the opponent utilizing one-on-one skills, we can't stay in the game. We get no easy shots out of the offense, and Wall doesn't penetrate and set up easy shots for anyone else. Basically, Wall is brilliant on the fast break, and flat out awful everywhere else.

Why can't we run the high screen and roll? Every other team in the NBA runs it with success. We don't even try?
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Post#205 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:15 pm

At some point, even John Wall's trade value will plummet if this continues.
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Post#206 » by dlts20 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:16 pm

Love also shoots alot of 3's. He makes alot but he's a big that is always going to shoot alot of jumpers and shoot below 50%. Thats just not Franchise to me. He'll definitely get the money just because thats the going rate but he's not worth that. He's not Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Dunan, Shaq, etc. Those are the only guys who should get that money. He's not even Dirk to me. He's one of those weird kinda guys but I just cant see watching the playoffs and seeing him lead a team to series wins. He's the co guy and a co guy shouldnt get max
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Post#207 » by 7-Day Dray » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:16 pm

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Post#208 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:17 pm

Booker is a real leader out there. Always 100% effort and I love the way he told McGee to grab the ball instead of block it (on Rubio's layup). That's a real leader - constructive criticism without being afraid to hurt feelings. He also told Singleton to pass it instead of shooting a quick three sometime in the 4th quarter. I like that. As awful as the Wizards have been, there are a couple of positive things: Trevor Booker, Chris Singleton, and McGee's improvement as of late.
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Post#209 » by wizfan81 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:17 pm

those of you that think you can get kevin love...keep dreaming.
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Post#210 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:18 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Just wondering how people feel about this statement: They are the exact same age, but right now IMO Rubio is a better PG than John Wall. Rubio has a feel for the game that Wall doesn't have.


Hard to argue with right now... but Rubio has also had a lot more pro experience than Wall since he started so young. And there were times he struggled the last couple years and people thought he wasn't going to live up to expectations- but he stuck with it and is clearly a world class point guard now.

I think Rubio is more an argument for patience with Wall than to give up on him


Agreed.

On Rubio's team there are many shooters with three-point range. Kahn gets a lot of blame, and that deservedly, but at least he's got Ridnour and even JJ Barea on his roster at PG. Rubio's NBA transition has been smooth.

Kyrie Irving has Ramon Sessions and Daniel Gibson on his roster. He can pass to Jamison and Parker.

John Wall's GM and his coach are stealing money this season IMO. More the coach. Mason can help Wall some, and so can Mo Evans, but they aren't out there. Wall's coach keeps playing the worst possible lineups. It is really mind boggling. The team itself cannot shoot. Wall has a lot against him, and he himself is playing very poorly under the pressure.
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Post#211 » by Jay81 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:18 pm

this is the worst basketball product I have ever seen. Nobody can shoot,defend or rebound. We dont have one player that is a complete basketball player. If we had to choose between who gets fired...i would have to go for Ernie before Flip.

this game shows how flawed the NY Knicks are. they almost lost to us!
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Post#212 » by miller31time » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:19 pm

nate33 wrote:Man we suck.

The defense is awful, the offense is even worse, Wall's game is a mess. Nobody can shoot. Basically, if Nick Young can't outscore the opponent utilizing one-on-one skills, we can't stay in the game. We get no easy shots out of the offense, and Wall doesn't penetrate and set up easy shots for anyone else. Basically, Wall is brilliant on the fast break, and flat out awful everywhere else.

Why can't we run the high screen and roll? Every other team in the NBA runs it with success. We don't even try?


Wall is over-thinking everything right now and in a real funk. He looks bad out there. And I think Flip has checked out.
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Post#213 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:19 pm

I'd be surprised is Flip is coaching on Tuesday.
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Post#214 » by keynote » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:20 pm

nate33 wrote:Why can't we run the high screen and roll? Every other team in the NBA runs it with success. We don't even try?


+1. I'm so tired of watching Wizard defenders getting pinballed by multiple staggered on-the-ball screens. Young and Wall get run ragged on the defensive end. Yet on offense, we give the other team's perimeter the night off. Sure, Young and Blatche get off-the-ball screens set for them, but you never really see any on the ball screens.
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Post#215 » by Dat2U » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:20 pm

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dlts20 wrote:I disagree. Alot of people think his game doesnt translate into wins. Alot of people dont think he's a Franchise guy where he can just takeover in the playoffs and take you to a title. Only those guys should get the max


when you are in the top 3-5 in the NBA in scoring and the best rebounder....you get Max Money. Now that he finally has some talent around him, he is showing that he can win


Wow, Minny is 3-5 and just beat the Wizards by 20. Let's throw Love a parade. :-?
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Post#216 » by Jay81 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:21 pm

there is no way you can fire Bruce B but not fire Flip...but firing flip isnt really the issue. We need to fire the designer of this outfit and that is Ernie grunfeld.
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Post#217 » by miller31time » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:21 pm

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nate33 wrote:Why can't we run the high screen and roll? Every other team in the NBA runs it with success. We don't even try?


+1. I'm so tired of watching Wizard defenders getting pinballed by multiple staggered on-the-ball screens. Young and Wall get run ragged on the defensive end. Yet on offense, we give the other team's perimeter the night off. Sure, Young and Blatche get off-the-ball screens set for them, but you never really see any on the ball screens.


What's depressing is that when we fire Flip, Sam will probably take over. And if there was ONE thing Sam sucked at miserably, it was defense.
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Post#218 » by dlts20 » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:24 pm

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nate33 wrote:Why can't we run the high screen and roll? Every other team in the NBA runs it with success. We don't even try?


+1. I'm so tired of watching Wizard defenders getting pinballed by multiple staggered on-the-ball screens. Young and Wall get run ragged on the defensive end. Yet on offense, we give the other team's perimeter the night off. Sure, Young and Blatche get off-the-ball screens set for them, but you never really see any on the ball screens.


What's depressing is that when we fire Flip, Sam will probably take over. And if there was ONE thing Sam sucked at miserably, it was defense.

I dont care. Atleast we might be exciting. Its one thing to suck but its even worst when you suck and cant score at all. Atleast fans want to see some exciting up & down play if youre going to get blown out every game. Shoot, Id rather even have Eddie Jordan right now
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Post#219 » by keynote » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:29 pm

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nate33 wrote:Why can't we run the high screen and roll? Every other team in the NBA runs it with success. We don't even try?


+1. I'm so tired of watching Wizard defenders getting pinballed by multiple staggered on-the-ball screens. Young and Wall get run ragged on the defensive end. Yet on offense, we give the other team's perimeter the night off. Sure, Young and Blatche get off-the-ball screens set for them, but you never really see any on the ball screens.


What's depressing is that when we fire Flip, Sam will probably take over. And if there was ONE thing Sam sucked at miserably, it was defense.


I dunno about that. Skiles was no stopper on defense, but he's clearly demonstrated the ability to teach (and demand) defense as a coach.
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Post#220 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Jan 8, 2012 8:30 pm

Blatche was an upgrade over Jamison but Jamison also sucked so now we see it wasn't much of an upgrade. Butler sucked, look at him now. Arenas is now out of the league.
We just don't have a true talent base. Unfortunately for us, the little bit of quickness and agility advantage that Blatche use to have is now gone.
McGee and Wall are pretty much the only bright spots of this team. We need to finally get top 3 draft picks and it just shows just how corrupt the system has been to the wizards. Wall was nice but before him, we didn't have a top five pick even though we have had the lowest talent base in the entire league. NBA needs to increase the odds of the worst teams getting the top five picks. The odds should be much higher than they are. We should not have had to endure so many years of suffering due to unjust odds of us getting starting players in the draft. Not only are we at a disadvantage in free agency because no starting caliber players want to come here at market price, but unlike the NFL we hve to rely on luck just to get a starting caliber top 3 player. Playoffs teams shouldn't even be allowed a first round pick since only five players play at a time unlike nfl were a total of 22 players on offense and defense are playing at a time. System is extremely corrupt.
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