Wall out 8 weeks with injury to patella

[montestewart]

I thought we had green for that.

Hey, hard to tell sometimes. I guess I was gotten with that one.

Sorry Hands. I thought about tweaking it a little more, maybe throwing in Booker.

[Knighthonor]

CCJ isn't talking about whether Wall WILL be traded, but whether he SHOULD be traded. And, if I was in Ernie's position, I'd at least be talking to teams interested in Wall.

Steve Nash would definitely bring a lot of experience and knowledge. He's a veteran that knows how to play the game the right way. Maybe throw in Singleton to make the salaries match. And if it costs a measly 2nd to get it done, then by all means, do it. And if Nash suddenly retires...was someone complaining about cap space?

It's not the thought of trading Wall that I find disturbing.


WHAT ???

Trade Wall for Nash... Are you joking ?

Sorry hard to tell the difference of Sarcasm from Stupidity over the Internet.

[hands11]

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/1 ... p4-2287296

Randy gives me confident that they are handling things the right way and he sound positive about Wall in his voice about his progress.

I trust Randy. So glad they brought him back as the coach. Now change the damn starting line up.

[Knighthonor]

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/11/08/Wittman110812mp4-2287296

Randy gives me confident that they are handling things the right way and he sound positive about Wall in his voice about his progress.

I trust Randy. So glad they brought him back as the coach. Now change the damn starting line up.

No tank for a young talented PF/C/SF

[jivelikenice]

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/11/08/Wittman110812mp4-2287296

Randy gives me confident that they are handling things the right way and he sound positive about Wall in his voice about his progress.

I trust Randy. So glad they brought him back as the coach. Now change the damn starting line up.

No tank for a young talented PF/C/SF

I have no desire for a tank. If Nene and Wall play enough games, this team could compete for the 8th seed, but they can't dig too big of a hole. Regardless its still important to build real momentum, and not win a handful of meaningless end of season games. If we can get to a point where we're at least in the conversation for the 8th seed but we fall short & pick in the mid to late lottery, I'd be ok with that and we'd still get a quality young asset there...

[Dark Faze]

CCJ isn't talking about whether Wall WILL be traded, but whether he SHOULD be traded. And, if I was in Ernie's position, I'd at least be talking to teams interested in Wall.

He shouldn't because there literally isn't a better prospect out there other than a top 3 pick in the 2014 draft. Talking about a James Harden esque deal...James Harden is literally the only free agent who was worthy of a max contract in the next off-season and the previous off-season, there's nobody else with his talent available.

Guys need to just relax and give Wall time. His rookie numbers were great considering the situation he played in. There was some regression in year 2...but given the lockout and coaching situation I don't know how much you can put into that. The word trade shouldn't even be considered until this third year plays out to conclusion.

[Nivek]

I'm not in a rush to trade Wall. He didn't regress in year 2, he just didn't get any better. While that's a little worrisome, I still think it's likely he's going to develop into a very good NBA player. However, he's not there now, and -- being a realist -- there's a not insubstantial chance that he won't get much better than he's been the first two years. We ASSUME he's going to improve, but improvement isn't automatic -- it comes from work. If he put in the work, he'll be better. If he didn't...

I think CCJ's point is that it might be smart to talk trade while perceptions of Wall around the league may be more favorable than his actual performance has been. For CCJ, part of that seems to be the knee. I'm less worried about that, but I'd be open to discussing a Wall trade based on the idea of trying to exploit PERCEPTIONS of Wall's ability vs. his performance.

ALL that said, my strong inclination would be to simply hang onto him. I think he's going to be good. Assuming he's put in the work, of course.

[payitforward]

I'm not in a rush to trade Wall. He didn't regress in year 2, he just didn't get any better. While that's a little worrisome, I still think it's likely he's going to develop into a very good NBA player.

I think he did get better -- tho not as much as I'd have liked. On the other hand, the first 1/3 of last season he had regressed. So there's maybe more reason for optimism than you suggest, if little reason to think that we'll get the expected benefit from a #1 choice in the draft.

[Nivek]

You're right -- he did get a little better. In my stat system, he went from below average to about average -- 89 to 99 (where 100 = average). But, yeah - not as much as anyone would like.

[tontoz]

You're right -- he did get a little better. In my stat system, he went from below average to about average -- 89 to 99 (where 100 = average). But, yeah - not as much as anyone would like.

I think it speaks well to Wall's overall game that he comes out average in spite of a jumper that is so bad.

[jivelikenice]

No reason to rush to trade Wall. I don't get the urge to shop ppl at a low value. At worst, Wall is a 16/8 guy. If we determine he's not better, you still trade him when he's healthy to get good value. That being said, I expect growth in his game. I found it interesting to read that while he's hurt he does ball handling drills and this is the first time he's ever done that. Also in seeing the growth in guys like C Singleton in just one offseason, I'd be curious to see what Wall's game will look like when he's healthy.

[MikeTheKid]

Im watching John Wall mixes on Youtube and Im pumped more than ever to see him back at full strength!

[Knighthonor]

Ok any update?

[payitforward]

Last year, before the fools-gold 6-game streak against the back of everybody's bench, we were 14-46 w/ John Wall at point guard.

Is that mentioned in any of the youtube mixes?

[pancakes3]

Yeah but baseline to baseline, he'll be the fastest to get you to 14-46.

[Dat2U]

Last year, before the fools-gold 6-game streak against the back of everybody's bench, we were 14-46 w/ John Wall at point guard.

Is that mentioned in any of the youtube mixes?

And w/o him we'd probably wouldn't have won 6 games total.

Wall may not be a star yet, but I wouldn't put that 14-46 record all on him. Beyond his health, we know he's one of the few legit starters we actually have.

[blazinskillz]

Last year, before the fools-gold 6-game streak against the back of everybody's bench, we were 14-46 w/ John Wall at point guard.

Is that mentioned in any of the youtube mixes?

And w/o him we'd probably wouldn't have won 6 games total.

Wall may not be a star yet, but I wouldn't put that 14-46 record all on him. Beyond his health, we know he's one of the few legit starters we actually have.

True, I dunno what people expected. Ernie and Ted made it clearly that they were rebuilding and that they were gonna rebuild thru the draft 3 yrs ago when Wall was drafted. I don't know if people know this but, in the NBA, you actually have to have talent to win. Wall didnt regress or improve much from last year but it's not like he played horribly. Did about as good as you can with that make up of a team.

[Knighthonor]

Ok. Still any updates on when he coming back?

[rockymac52]

Ok. Still any updates on when he coming back?

1. Wall's injury was first announced on September 28th, and it was announced that he was expected to miss about 8 weeks. 8 weeks from September 28th is November 23rd. So his initial time-frame was pretty much anywhere from November 16th to November 30th.

2. 4 days ago Wall had an MRI to check up on his knee's healing progress. It was described as a "positive report" and the initial time-frame is still thought to be accurate, although it sounds like it may be on the latter end, if not a week or two longer than initially announced. So from what we've heard (we really don't have many details at all), I think it's safe to assume that Wall is expected to return either the last week of November or the first week of December.

3. The pessimist in me has a feeling that come the first week of December, Wall still won't be ready. I expect the Wizards will announce that he's getting really close to a return, and they just want to make sure he's truly at 100%, not 95% or 98%, before they throw him back out onto the court. In my opinion, this could drag out another 1-2 weeks. So given what we've heard, and my Wizards medical staff-related pessimism, I personally expect Wall to return around December 15th. Hopefully he's back sooner, but I'm just skeptical.

4. I'd also like to add, that as I detailed the day Wall's injury was first announced, something doesn't quite add up. A small part of me fears that we know Wall's injury is already quite severe, but we're letting him "rest" for 2 months, and crossing our fingers that he magically heals through rest and can avoid season-ending surgery. Blake Griffin missed his entire rookie season after initially being expected to miss, you guessed it, 8 weeks with a very similar stress-related injury to the knee. Then when the 8 weeks or so were up, the Clippers announced it didn't heal like they thought, or that there was a setback, and he needed season-ending surgery. I REALLY hope this is not the case with Wall, but a small part of me is skeptical.

5. Another bad outcome is if we bring back Wall too soon, before he can fully heal to 100%. The type of injury he already has can often lead to severe stress fractures if you return to physical activity too soon. See: Jarvis Hayes (twice). This is why I think the Wizards are being so cautious with Wall and his injury. We cannot afford to sit out Wall for over a month, then have him return a couple weeks too early because we're impatient, and he ends up having a severe stress fracture as a result, having to miss the entire season instead.

6. If neither one of those situations is the reality here, then I don't know what to make of it. Because even if Wall returns this week, ahead of "schedule", and he is fully healed and never suffers a more severe stress fracture, he will have already had the most devastating stress-related injury outside of a full on fracture of any player in the history of the NBA. Like I said before, Griffin had this same 8 weeks of rest diagnosis, but then he ended up missing the entire season. So if Wall returns and is healthy for the entire season, he'll be the NBA player who missed considerably more time with such a small injury than anyone in the history of the league.

7. Lastly, there's also the possibility that when those 8 weeks or so are up, and Wall is finally ruled "healthy," that it will only mean he is able to return to practice in a full capacity. It may take him another week or two to get back in game shape, ready to suit up for us. Hopefully that's not the case, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[nate33]

7. Lastly, there's also the possibility that when those 8 weeks or so are up, and Wall is finally ruled "healthy," that it will only mean he is able to return to practice in a full capacity. It may take him another week or two to get back in game shape, ready to suit up for us. Hopefully that's not the case, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I hope that at this point, he is at least vigorously riding the bike and practicing his set shots (free throws and three pointers).