Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

[JonathanJoseph]

They should be trading Ariza, who they cannot afford to resign, to make up for some of the assets given away or wasted. But they are looking at trading another asset for a short term fix that may get this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. What a joke of a franchise.

So we'd rather have 5/6 playoff wins and 0 assets rather than 3 playoff wins and 2 assets. That's the math here.

[Nivek]

If the Wizards trade Ariza for a backup PG, I don't think they get to 5-6 playoff wins this season. They need a backup PG, but the positives he brings are a significant reason they're .500 so far.

[queridiculo]

So, with EG still making trades, is that pretty much a precursor to an EG extension in the not so distant future?

[dckingsfan]

If the Wizards trade Ariza for a backup PG, I don't think they get to 5-6 playoff wins this season. They need a backup PG, but the positives he brings are a significant reason they're .500 so far.

Salary-based desperation isn’t what it used to be. Expirings like Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, Paul Pierce, and Danny Granger aren’t the carrots they once were. Washington and Indiana have been active on this front, per several league sources, but have found little traction so far.

So... just keep him.

[hands11]

Per this rumor, Andre Miller and Beno are the targets. Any bets that Ariza gets traded for a PG?
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dcpR3?utm_ ... on-wizards

It would have to be a multiplayer more complicated trade and probably involve Faried a swell. Maybe a 3rd team.

Easier for them to just go get Beno or Blake I would think.

[hands11]

If the Wizards trade Ariza for a backup PG, I don't think they get to 5-6 playoff wins this season. They need a backup PG, but the positives he brings are a significant reason they're .500 so far.

Salary-based desperation isn’t what it used to be. Expirings like Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, Paul Pierce, and Danny Granger aren’t the carrots they once were. Washington and Indiana have been active on this front, per several league sources, but have found little traction so far.

So... just keep him.

Teams have been trimming for a while now. The new CBA has been having its effect.

[montestewart]

So, with EG still making trades, is that pretty much a precursor to an EG extension in the not so distant future?

A great new thread: "You are Ernie Grunfeld, recently extended as Wizards GM. What will you do now?" Then we can try and predict his moves. That should be years of fun for the whole family!

[montestewart]

If the Wizards trade Ariza for a backup PG, I don't think they get to 5-6 playoff wins this season. They need a backup PG, but the positives he brings are a significant reason they're .500 so far.

Salary-based desperation isn’t what it used to be. Expirings like Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, Paul Pierce, and Danny Granger aren’t the carrots they once were. Washington and Indiana have been active on this front, per several league sources, but have found little traction so far.

So... just keep him.

Teams have been trimming for a while now. The new CBA has been having its effect.

Wonder who in Wizards FO was in charge of calculating/anticipating that effect?

[Ruzious]

If the Wizards trade Ariza for a backup PG, I don't think they get to 5-6 playoff wins this season. They need a backup PG, but the positives he brings are a significant reason they're .500 so far.

This is the main reason I think Webster is more likely to be traded than Ariza. Ariza's become clearly the better all-around player and much more vital player for this season, but... Webster's efficiency numbers, age, and versatility make him a nice target for teams looking to add a shootist for the playoffs.

[queridiculo]

So, with EG still making trades, is that pretty much a precursor to an EG extension in the not so distant future?

A great new thread: "You are Ernie Grunfeld, recently extended as Wizards GM. What will you do now?" Then we can try and predict his moves. That should be years of fun for the whole family!

"What we do works."

Don't change a thing playa.

[leswizards]

Basically, it was the "he wouldn't have been a good fit in our system" pablum.

Considering almost no one does good in the Wizards system, I have to say there is truth in what they told you.

[leswizards]

Have they ever, in any sense, indicated that they think they made a mistake in passing someone over?

EG suffers from low self esteem, and hence is incapable of admitting a mistake. To admit a mistake would be too damaging to his low self esteem. Instead, any and all set backs are blamed on things that "were out of his control".

And, I guess I should add, since he is incapable of admitting his mistakes, he is incapable of learning from them. He doesn't accept he made a mistake, so there is nothing to learn on how to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

[Youheardme90]

Have they ever, in any sense, indicated that they think they made a mistake in passing someone over?

EG suffers from low self esteem, and hence is incapable of admitting a mistake. To admit a mistake would be too damaging to his low self esteem. Instead, any and all set backs are blamed on things that "were out of his control".

And, I guess I should add, since he is incapable of admitting his mistakes, he is incapable of learning from them. He doesn't accept he made a mistake, so there is nothing to learn on how to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

Having a lot of false pride and ego is often indicative of low self esteem. It would be correct to assume that he cannot admit and learn from his mistakes.

But damn, there aren`t any serviceable pure point guards in the D-League ? Not 1?

[montestewart]

So, with EG still making trades, is that pretty much a precursor to an EG extension in the not so distant future?

A great new thread: "You are Ernie Grunfeld, recently extended as Wizards GM. What will you do now?" Then we can try and predict his moves. That should be years of fun for the whole family!

"What we do works."

Don't change a thing playa.

Yeah, there's that, but what fan wouldn't want to be the one who confidently predicted the next Maynor?

[closg00]

Piling- on I know, but Nick Calathes is making $490,000 this season at the same time Erne is looking to correct another one of his blunders.

[queridiculo]

Another thing that irritates the **** out of me.

Every time I see a shot of Tapscott and Grunfeld together.

Director of player development? How the **** does this clown still have a job?

Oh that's right, another one of the teflon Don's useless cronies.

Grunfeld is the prototypical empire building weasel that's the bane of any organization, and the Wizards fans continue to pay for Leonsis failure to weed him out.

So sick of it.

[mohammed10]

Another thing that irritates the **** out of me.

Every time I see a shot of Tapscott and Grunfeld together.

Director of player development? How the **** does this clown still have a job?

Oh that's right, another one of the teflon Don's useless cronies.

Grunfeld is the prototypical empire building weasel that's the bane of any organization, and the Wizards fans continue to pay for Leonsis failure to weed him out.

So sick of it.

+1000

[hands11]

We can't waste the rest of this season.

Let EG make some small move like Singleton for Beno or something then fire him.

Have whoever does the GM scouting get to work double time.
Get new GM.
Hire new coach.

Go make some noise down the stretch and into the playoff.

I can't take Wittless anymore.

Or hell, just hire George Karl and fire Randy later. Not like any new GM is going to have a major issue with George Karl as the HC. Well as long as they aren't an idiot and if they are we don't want them anyway.

[doclinkin]

Piling- on I know, but Nick Calathes is making $490,000 this season at the same time Erne is looking to correct another one of his blunders.

He was one of mine. Ditto James Johnson. :/

[lastemp3ror]

Let EG make some small move like Singleton for Beno or something then fire him.

Here is what we know. The trade deadline is around the corner. We are losing ground in the playoff race. Leonsis gave Ernie the goal of making the playoffs.

So what if Ernie gets trigger happy and makes a big move because he is scared of not making the playoffs? He has made quick and horrible moves before (Maynor signing).

If Leonsis told Ernie that he can only make small moves, fine I am in agreement with you. However we don't know that. The way I see it, we have more to lose if we keep him and he trades Otto Porter and change for another expiring front court player. So Ernie making another relatively big move is not out of the question.

I personally believe that we are at our floor right now. I say this because we either always beat the best of the best (outside of Indiana) or we get very close to beating them (Spurs, OKC, Houston, etc). The team really starts focusing when there is a challenge ahead of them. I think the thought of missing the playoffs will make them more focused. Point being, I think we are getting to the playoffs regardless of if we make a small move or not. We are either going to get in as a 7th/8th seed or we are getting in as a 3rd/4th seed and barely making it to the second round. A championship is out of the question whatever we do.

Why expose ourselves to any move that Ernie makes? Four out of five of his moves are horrendous why take that chance? Let's stop the very real possibility of mortgaging our future for a possible second round exit. Otherwise this may be the last time we make the playoffs in a few years.