Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

deneem4 · Post #201 » by **deneem4** » Fri Mar 7, 2014 1:18 am

Dat2U wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
I think the point would be to get a better/younger player in return - especially someone at PF.

I think webster can fetch us that Sacramento contract for thompson...they bigs are set with cousins, evans, landry, Williams and they just signed on Joyce wright....thompson not the best big but he does play next to cousins and he's a big guy...maybe he just needs a change of scenery....

Thompson is just a guy. A guy that isn't starter quality by any means, but yet gets paid by one. He isn't better than Webster, his performance at his position is far inferior than Webster playing at SG or SF. We can do better.

Thompson plays next to cousin...on a if he was averaging 36mins he'll be a 14/9 guy for his career...even though playing next to cousins and with the kings....He' plays his best basketball when he's not on the floor with cousins by a big margin....for 6mil a yr I'll take him....especially if we ship nene off this off season which is looking like a likely possibly given our recent play

payitforward · Post #202 » by **payitforward** » Sat Mar 8, 2014 9:46 pm

deneem4 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
I think webster can fetch us that Sacramento contract for thompson...they bigs are set with cousins, evans, landry, Williams and they just signed on Joyce wright....thompson not the best big but he does play next to cousins and he's a big guy...maybe he just needs a change of scenery....

Thompson is just a guy. A guy that isn't starter quality by any means, but yet gets paid by one. He isn't better than Webster, his performance at his position is far inferior than Webster playing at SG or SF. We can do better.

Thompson plays next to cousin...on a if he was averaging 36mins he'll be a 14/9 guy for his career...even though playing next to cousins and with the kings....He' plays his best basketball when he's not on the floor with cousins by a big margin....for 6mil a yr I'll take him....especially if we ship nene off this off season which is looking like a likely possibly given our recent play

You might take him, deneem, but you'd be wrong. He's never been anything to speak of, has no more upside in him, is not worth what he's paid, and you're proposing to trade a better, cheaper player for him.

Lets go get a young big somewhere; lets make a good draft pick -- that'd be nice!

edit -- btw, Thompson's best year was playing next to Cousins in '11-12. His years before and since have all been about the same -- including before Cousins was drafted.

dckingsfan · Post #203 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 8:50 pm

I have watched way to many of Thompson's games - I say that because the Kings haven't been good for a very long time.

The only way you take Thompson is if you are getting rid of a player with a similar contract(s). For example, Cleveland might trade Jarrett Jack if they felt like they were done with him.

Thompson should not be a starter. He is a 10-15 minute a night guy. Sadly, he got his contract right after his best year and Petrie overpaid.

TGW · Post #204 » by **TGW** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 9:52 pm

Would anyone do Beal for Henson? Not necessarily something I do...just something to think about.

Post #205 » by **nate33** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 10:00 pm

TGW wrote:Would anyone do Beal for Henson? Not necessarily something I do...just something to think about.

I don't think so.

Henson has shown flashes, but he's a work in progress. He's not even a starter on the worst team in the league.

I think Henson will be a late bloomer. He must either learn to shoot so he can be a PF offensively, or put on substantial weight so he can be a center defensively. Until he does that, it's pretty tough to start him. For that reason, I think he might end up being available at a lower price than Beal. Or maybe hes the kind of guy who becomes available as a RFA when his rookie contract is up.

I'd trade Porter for him in an instant.

Benjammin · Post #206 » by **Benjammin** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:11 am

TGW wrote:Would anyone do Beal for Henson? Not necessarily something I do...just something to think about.

I'd do Beal for Harden; oh wait, I guess that isn't on the table now...

Illmatic21 · Post #207 » by **Illmatic21** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:26 am

TGW wrote:Would anyone do Beal for Henson? Not necessarily something I do...just something to think about.

No way. Bucks fans are really low on Henson this season. I've seen some hoping they could trade him for a mid-late round pick in the draft. Beal is probably worth a top ~8 pick in this draft.

The Bucks would consider that a massive steal, ie it'd be terrible for us

jivelikenice · Post #208 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:19 am

If Henson is on the outs I'm curious to know what his value is. Assuming we're able to re-sign Ariza, could a package centered around Webster get it done?

Second question; if we aren't able to re-sign Ariza, what type of sign & trade value does he have?we can't let him leave and have nothing to show for it.

Sluggerface · Post #209 » by **Sluggerface** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:07 am

Benjammin wrote:
TGW wrote:Would anyone do Beal for Henson? Not necessarily something I do...just something to think about.

I'd do Beal for Harden; oh wait, I guess that isn't on the table now...

This team doesn't need a max contract combo guard that can't play defense.

mohammed10 · Post #210 » by **mohammed10** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:52 am

Benjammin wrote:I'd do Beal for Harden; oh wait, I guess that isn't on the table now...

Damn...that's cold

Ernie must be grinding his teeth as he reads this

verbal8 · Post #211 » by **verbal8** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:25 pm

jivelikenice wrote:If Henson is on the outs I'm curious to know what his value is. Assuming we're able to re-sign Ariza, could a package centered around Webster get it done?

Second question; if we aren't able to re-sign Ariza, what type of sign & trade value does he have?we can't let him leave and have nothing to show for it.

While I see teams actually doing more S&Ts, the teams don't have a lot of leverage, so the prices are probably pretty low. For Ariza I think it would be a 2nd and cap space or a crappy contract and a late or protected 1st. Not sure Memphis would be a destination, but Prince and a late 1st from a trade down seems about right.

jivelikenice · Post #212 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:36 pm

While I normally would agree, Ariza is not the typical FA case IMO. He's a very good role player. I would not expect teams with cap space who are in need of core building blocks to view Trevor as the type of player to pursue so a lot of the interest will likely come from playoff caliber teams in need of a 3&D SF. If we're thinking that he wants to go out west or at least get closer to the WC then Golden State, Memphis, Houston, and maybe the Clippers become options. I think Houston has money to spend but all of the other "fits" for him are pretty capped out. This is actually why I expect him to stay here BUT if we were to deal him I think we'd be able to get somethign back via S&T. Not saying I'd necessarily want whats being offered but just a couple of examples:
1. Clippers- Dudley? - not really interested but I can see them offering a trade centered around him.
2. Warriors- Barnes has had a poor season and if they flame out in Rd 1 I can see the pressure increasing to win there. Will they wait for Barnes? - I wouldn't want him here and would probably try to structure a 3 way deal if he were being offered.
3. Memphis- I think a S&T involving Ed Davis for one of out SFs makes sense for all sides.

rockymac52 · Post #213 » by **rockymac52** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:40 pm

jivelikenice wrote:While I normally would agree, Ariza is not the typical FA case IMO. He's a very good role player. I would not expect teams with cap space who are in need of core building blocks to view Trevor as the type of player to pursue so a lot of the interest will likely come from playoff caliber teams in need of a 3&D SF. If we're thinking that he wants to go out west or at least get closer to the WC then Golden State, Memphis, Houston, and maybe the Clippers become options. I think Houston has money to spend but all of the other "fits" for him are pretty capped out. This is actually why I expect him to stay here BUT if we were to deal him I think we'd be able to get somethign back via S&T. Not saying I'd necessarily want whats being offered but just a couple of examples:
1. Clippers- Dudley? - not really interested but I can see them offering a trade centered around him.
2. Warriors- Barnes has had a poor season and if they flame out in Rd 1 I can see the pressure increasing to win there. Will they wait for Barnes? - I wouldn't want him here and would probably try to structure a 3 way deal if he were being offered.
3. Memphis- I think a S&T involving Ed Davis for one of out SFs makes sense for all sides.

I agree with you that most teams with substantial cap space won't be eying Ariza. He's just not the prize they will be looking for. I suspect if we want to re-sign Ariza, we're going to have a pretty good shot. Worst case scenario is it costs us around $8 million a year, whereas his other serious options are contenders, but most likely only on MLE deals. I am skeptical that he'll have any other serious offers greater than the MLE, unless they would require a sign and trade, in which case we can just not agree to participate. He simply doesn't have the type of leverage that a star or max player has in order to force us to do a sign and trade.

dckingsfan · Post #214 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:49 am

Like someone said earlier, I think Dallas is the real threat. They have plenty of cap space and need a D&3 specialist... If Chicago amnesties Boozer, they might be the other team - you know Thibs loves defensive players.

dckingsfan · Post #215 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:51 am

I think Gortat might be the bigger problem, lots of teams in need of a big right now.

AFM · Post #216 » by **AFM** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:58 am

If we let Ariza walk we are idiots
Keep Ariza
Keep Gooden
Keep Gortat

Try to trade Nene/Webster for whatever we can.

Ernie is the fleece master. He traded Kwame for Caron. I know he can trade Nene for someone useful and younger.

Upper Decker · Post #217 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:11 am

A GM worth his skin would be pushing a beal trade this off-season.

queridiculo · Post #218 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:39 am

I certainly wouldn't press to move Beal, but if Washington was able to parlay a package including Beal into Love, I wouldn't be mad.

Beal has some flaws that are pretty apparent, but he's also incredible young with plenty of room to grow.

mohammed10 · Post #219 » by **mohammed10** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:17 am

Upper Decker wrote:A GM worth his skin would be pushing a beal trade this off-season.

You must have forgotten who our GM was. :lol:

We had the chance to flip Beal for Harden, but Turd nixed it, or EG wanted Caron Butler...not sure which.

verbal8 · Post #220 » by **verbal8** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:42 pm

queridiculo wrote:I certainly wouldn't press to move Beal, but if Washington was able to parlay a package including Beal into Love, I wouldn't be mad.

Beal has some flaws that are pretty apparent, but he's also incredible young with plenty of room to grow.

Short of acquiring a prime super star(and it takes adding value in those deals), I don't see a reason to move Beal. If you need young talent to make a smaller deal, I think Porter would be much better to trade.