Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[stevemcqueen1]

honestly

Porter, Rice JR, an unprotected 2015 first, and Nene has to be a better deal than Wiggins and trash right?

No. Wiggins might be a complete bust. But you can sell Wiggins to Minny fans as a rebuilding plan. You can't sell Porter, Rice, and Nene to a fan base.

[nuposse04]

I'm a lot higher on Wiggins then most people I think...personally I WANT him to leave CLE so I can actually cheer for him. He's raw right now, but I think he'll put it together. He actually is fluid and has a defined NBA position. I think Parker will prove to be a slightly rich man's D. Williams when it is all said and done.

[gesa2]

honestly

Porter, Rice JR, an unprotected 2015 first, and Nene has to be a better deal than Wiggins and trash right?

No. Wiggins might be a complete bust. But you can sell Wiggins to Minny fans as a rebuilding plan. You can't sell Porter, Rice, and Nene to a fan base.

I'd still offer Beal, Nene, 1st and salary filler for Love and Kevin Martin.

[hands11]

Maybe I cracked on Houston to badly.

Beverly is actually a nice compliment to what Harden does because he defends, drives and plays D

Harden will need to turn into more the PG.

I see a lot of Gil and DSleez here only better.

Not sure the skip pass will be there like Wall could feed TA, but Harden can drive and dish, Bev can spot up and driveto space things.

Harden is really the PG there. Bev is a 6-1 SG.

But they did lose depth.

I could see Harden having a career year increasing his assists and staying up in the 24 pts a game range.

[Hidden Eye]

Trade Andre Miller to the Coaching Staff release one of them as a FA then sign Ramon Sessions then the win record will be 57-58 wins.

[gambitx777]

honestly

Porter, Rice JR, an unprotected 2015 first, and Nene has to be a better deal than Wiggins and trash right?

No. Wiggins might be a complete bust. But you can sell Wiggins to Minny fans as a rebuilding plan. You can't sell Porter, Rice, and Nene to a fan base.

I'd still offer Beal, Nene, 1st and salary filler for Love and Kevin Martin.

When you have one of the best back courts in the league, Which you can argue that we do! It's pretty stupid to break that up. I said this about Thompson when GS was said to be after love. The problem is that Flip, thinks that love is worth the moon and the stars above. He is not worth wall, he is not worth beal and if you trade one of your biggest strengths for a guy like love, it's a lateral move. At least for a team like us, IMO!

[hands11]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... bron-james

Kevin S involved in Love trade ?

So what would a MIN, CLE deal look like..

Love $15,719,063

Wiggins $4,592,200
Bennett $5,563,920
Pick(s)

CLE needs to send more money back so that might involve a 3rd team.

Kevin S is signed for $3,898,691 ... add him into the deal and you are at 14M

Kevin S has the same agent LeBron. Rich Paul. And now way Kevin is getting enough minutes this year buried on the bench. Not what an agent wants for his client going into free agency.


Would be sweet if we can get Gorgui Dieng in the deal somehow. But thats a pipe dream. But we might be able to get a CLE pick, clear some more cap, get a TPE so we can finish our build out.

[verbal8]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/kevin-seraphin-key-kevin-love-land-lebron-james

Kevin S involved in Love trade ?

So what would a MIN, CLE deal look like..

Love $15,719,063

Wiggins $4,592,200
Bennett $5,563,920
Pick(s)

All CLE has to do is add on of their minimum contracts - which they just acquired 3.

Seraphin can not be traded until December, since he just signed a contract(and is not a rookie). Also Seraphin will lose his "Bird-Rights", so he has to consent to a trade.

[dckingsfan]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/kevin-seraphin-key-kevin-love-land-lebron-james

Kevin S involved in Love trade ?

So what would a MIN, CLE deal look like..

Love $15,719,063

Wiggins $4,592,200
Bennett $5,563,920
Pick(s)

All CLE has to do is add on of their minimum contracts - which they just acquired 3.

Seraphin can not be traded until December, since he just signed a contract(and is not a rookie). Also Seraphin will lose his "Bird-Rights", so he has to consent to a trade.

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln - how was the play?

[nate33]

Assuming Humphries and Blair both play really well early in the season, how about this trade sometime in December:

Washington trades: Humphries, Temple
Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Meyers Leonard

Portland is woefully thin in the frontcourt with only Thomas Robinson and the corpse of Chris Kaman to back up Aldridge and Lopez. Humphries would be a good fit. The loss of McCollum wouldn't hurt them since Lillard plays a ton of minutes and they added Blake as their backup PG.

It would nicely rebalance our roster with a bit more youth in the backcourt and more minutes for stretch-four play from Gooden and Pierce. It would also open up a few more minutes to give Seraphin one last opportunity to turn the corner. At least Serapin is a decent defender and shot blocker.

PG Wall/McCollum/Miller
SG Beal/Webster/Rice
SF Porter/Pierce/Rice
PF Nene/Gooden/Pierce
C Gortat/Blair/Seraphin

And in 2016 when we're looking to add Durant, we'd have this team for him to join:
PG Wall/McCollum
SG Beal/Rice
SF Porter/Webster
PF Blair
C Gortat

[hands11]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/kevin-seraphin-key-kevin-love-land-lebron-james

Kevin S involved in Love trade ?

So what would a MIN, CLE deal look like..

Love $15,719,063

Wiggins $4,592,200
Bennett $5,563,920
Pick(s)

All CLE has to do is add on of their minimum contracts - which they just acquired 3.

Seraphin can not be traded until December, since he just signed a contract(and is not a rookie). Also Seraphin will lose his "Bird-Rights", so he has to consent to a trade.

Good point. I forget they added those.

So MIN just got Mo. I expect him to be part of the deal to CLE. I wonder if Cleveland will send back Waiters or Dellavedova.

[hands11]

Assuming Humphries and Blair both play really well early in the season, how about this trade sometime in December:

Washington trades: Humphries, Temple
Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Meyers Leonard

Portland is woefully thin in the frontcourt with only Thomas Robinson and the corpse of Chris Kaman to back up Aldridge and Lopez. Humphries would be a good fit. The loss of McCollum wouldn't hurt them since Lillard plays a ton of minutes and they added Blake as their backup PG.

It would nicely rebalance our roster with a bit more youth in the backcourt and more minutes for stretch-four play from Gooden and Pierce. It would also open up a few more minutes to give Seraphin one last opportunity to turn the corner. At least Serapin is a decent defender and shot blocker.

PG Wall/McCollum/Miller
SG Beal/Webster/Rice
SF Porter/Pierce/Rice
PF Nene/Gooden/Pierce
C Gortat/Blair/Seraphin

And in 2016 when we're looking to add Durant, we'd have this team for him to join:
PG Wall/McCollum
SG Beal/Rice
SF Porter/Webster
PF Blair
C Gortat

Being a big CJM fan in that draft, that might be pretty sweet. Though at this stage, I would be more a fan of someone more experience like Sessions.

[verbal8]

With the exceptions of rookies, free agents can not be traded until December.

From http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

95. When can a team trade a free agent it signs? Do they have to keep him forever?

Generally a team only has to keep a player for three months after signing a contract or December 151 of that season, whichever is later. This does not apply to draft picks, who can be traded 30 days after signing (even if signed using cap room in a later season -- see question number 51). For sign-and-trade transactions, the initial trade which completes the sign-and-trade obviously is allowed, even though it occurs right after the player is signed. The trade restriction in a sign-and-trade applies to the first subsequent trade.

See question number 100 for more information on trade restrictions.

Signings by Minnesota, could indicate replacements for players they expect to dump. However they are not players that could be traded any time soon.

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/kevin-seraphin-key-kevin-love-land-lebron-james

Kevin S involved in Love trade ?

So what would a MIN, CLE deal look like..

Love $15,719,063

Wiggins $4,592,200
Bennett $5,563,920
Pick(s)

All CLE has to do is add on of their minimum contracts - which they just acquired 3.

Seraphin can not be traded until December, since he just signed a contract(and is not a rookie). Also Seraphin will lose his "Bird-Rights", so he has to consent to a trade.

Good point. I forget they added those.

So MIN just got Mo. I expect him to be part of the deal to CLE. I wonder if Cleveland will send back Waiters or Dellavedova.

[stevemcqueen1]

Turns out PJ Tucker got a DUI in May and blew a .222. Good Lord. Feeling better and better about signing Paul Pierce.

[theboomking]

I would like to see us add a little more length in the front court. I was thinking about prospects who might fit and Terrence Jones came to mind. I think he would be a great fit at PF and would add some length, rebounding, and scoring punch. Too bad he is outperforming his draft slot and contract and is not likely to be available. LaMarcus Aldridge abused him in the playoffs, but LMA was just on fire. I don't think it overly affects my opinion of Jones.

[dangermouse]

Terrence Jones would be good. Old Wildcat. I'd dump Seraphin to give him a slot.

[nate33]

Assuming Humphries and Blair both play really well early in the season, how about this trade sometime in December:

Washington trades: Humphries, Temple
Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Meyers Leonard

Portland is woefully thin in the frontcourt with only Thomas Robinson and the corpse of Chris Kaman to back up Aldridge and Lopez. Humphries would be a good fit. The loss of McCollum wouldn't hurt them since Lillard plays a ton of minutes and they added Blake as their backup PG.

It would nicely rebalance our roster with a bit more youth in the backcourt and more minutes for stretch-four play from Gooden and Pierce. It would also open up a few more minutes to give Seraphin one last opportunity to turn the corner. At least Serapin is a decent defender and shot blocker.

PG Wall/McCollum/Miller
SG Beal/Webster/Rice
SF Porter/Pierce/Rice
PF Nene/Gooden/Pierce
C Gortat/Blair/Seraphin

And in 2016 when we're looking to add Durant, we'd have this team for him to join:
PG Wall/McCollum
SG Beal/Rice
SF Porter/Webster
PF Blair
C Gortat

Being a big CJM fan in that draft, that might be pretty sweet. Though at this stage, I would be more a fan of someone more experience like Sessions.

I feel exactly the opposite. I think we have too many veterans and not enough youth and athleticism. With Miller around, and Wall now in his 5th year, I don't think we need another veteran mentor type. We need a dynamic game-changer who can disrupt a defense with his athleticism. We also need a guy who will be on the roster for cheap in 2016.

[Dat2U]

I would like to see us add a little more length in the front court. I was thinking about prospects who might fit and Terrence Jones came to mind. I think he would be a great fit at PF and would add some length, rebounding, and scoring punch. Too bad he is outperforming his draft slot and contract and is not likely to be available. LaMarcus Aldridge abused him in the playoffs, but LMA was just on fire. I don't think it overly affects my opinion of Jones.

Terrence Jones offers scoring & some rebounding but length isn't one of them. Aldridge just didn't abuse him in the playoffs, he pretty much got abused all year long. He's a 6-7 PF so he's much like Booker but offers more offensive skill.

[Ruzious]

I would like to see us add a little more length in the front court. I was thinking about prospects who might fit and Terrence Jones came to mind. I think he would be a great fit at PF and would add some length, rebounding, and scoring punch. Too bad he is outperforming his draft slot and contract and is not likely to be available. LaMarcus Aldridge abused him in the playoffs, but LMA was just on fire. I don't think it overly affects my opinion of Jones.

Terrence Jones offers scoring & some rebounding but length isn't one of them. Aldridge just didn't abuse him in the playoffs, he pretty much got abused all year long. He's a 6-7 PF so he's much like Booker but offers more offensive skill.

Booker? Not hardly. Terrence Jones has classic PF size. At the combine, he measured 6'9.5, 252 lbs with a wingspan of 7'2.25 and standing reach of 8'11. He's undisciplined on defense (which might change as he gets older - he's still a kid), but talent and size are not the problems.

For comparison, Booker measured 6'7.5, 236, with a 6'9.75 wingspan, and an 8'10 standing reach.

[fishercob]

Dog days question:

What move(s) can the WIzards make to improve their prospects for this upcoming season and next without screwing up their run at KD in '16?

And before you go trading picks in the next two drafts, keep in mind that we are going to need cheap talent (and what we'll really need is to nail those picks).

We're going to need a backup PG if Miller retires too.

Long term planning and short term improvements. Not an easy task.