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2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II

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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#201 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:24 pm

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Barring a last-minute change of heart – uh-oh, hold your breath – the Mavs will add former All-Star point guard Deron Williams today.
They will not, however, be getting the services of Kevin Seraphin. Turned down by a journeyman Frenchman who can’t play a lick. I told you the DeAndre Debacle had long, negative tentacles.
In the wake of getting stiffed by the Clippers’ free-agent center, the Mavs acquired Zaza Pachulia. He can shoot. He possesses some offensive assets. But he’s not truly a center. And, no, he doesn’t rebound nor defend or play above the rim. In other words, they still need a center.
That desperate search took them to Seraphin. Yuck.


Calling Seraphin a "journeyman" is harsh. He's only suited up for one NBA team his entire career.

I think "journeyman" is generous. "Replacement level" would have been more accurate.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#202 » by Dark Faze » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:26 pm

He'd probably be a god in China and get at least 2 mil a year.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#203 » by LyricalRico » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:11 pm

Beat me to it! I was just about to post the Seraphin article myself. :P

Seemed more about DeAndre sour grapes than a legit attempt break down Seraphin's game, though.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#204 » by Ruzious » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:56 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Seraphin would be smart to get coached up by Carlisle for a year and cash in next year.

I don't think Carlisle would let him play unless forced to.

Notice Dallas was only offering the minimum. Didn't J. Michael say it like it was a fact Seraphin would be offered well over the 3.9 mil that he made last season?

I'm guessing he ends up with Phoenix. There was a rumor that SA was interested, but I doubt they'd offer him more than the minimum - and they'd probably insist on a non-guaranteed deal.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#205 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:12 pm

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Kanyewest wrote:Seraphin would be smart to get coached up by Carlisle for a year and cash in next year.

I don't think Carlisle would let him play unless forced to.

Notice Dallas was only offering the minimum. Didn't J. Michael say it like it was a fact Seraphin would be offered well over the 3.9 mil that he made last season?

I'm guessing he ends up with Phoenix. There was a rumor that SA was interested, but I doubt they'd offer him more than the minimum - and they'd probably insist on a non-guaranteed deal.

In February, J. Michael said Seraphin would get $8-to-$10 million per year this offseason. He tweeted it. Might have written it somewhere too.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#206 » by jivelikenice » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:22 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Seraphin would be smart to get coached up by Carlisle for a year and cash in next year.

I don't think Carlisle would let him play unless forced to.

Notice Dallas was only offering the minimum. Didn't J. Michael say it like it was a fact Seraphin would be offered well over the 3.9 mil that he made last season?

I'm guessing he ends up with Phoenix. There was a rumor that SA was interested, but I doubt they'd offer him more than the minimum - and they'd probably insist on a non-guaranteed deal.

In February, J. Michael said Seraphin would get $8-to-$10 million per year this offseason. He tweeted it. Might have written it somewhere too.


He did...Overestimated the market for Seraphin. That being said, I do think Minny landing #1 and getting Towns took away a potential suitor.
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2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#207 » by closg00 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:28 pm

We need the option of having at-least ONE athletic Big in a rotation scenario with John. John doesn't have that option with our front court. I'm not counting the small ball options.


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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#208 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:04 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
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Ruzious wrote:I don't think Carlisle would let him play unless forced to.

Notice Dallas was only offering the minimum. Didn't J. Michael say it like it was a fact Seraphin would be offered well over the 3.9 mil that he made last season?

I'm guessing he ends up with Phoenix. There was a rumor that SA was interested, but I doubt they'd offer him more than the minimum - and they'd probably insist on a non-guaranteed deal.

In February, J. Michael said Seraphin would get $8-to-$10 million per year this offseason. He tweeted it. Might have written it somewhere too.


He did...Overestimated the market for Seraphin. That being said, I do think Minny landing #1 and getting Towns took away a potential suitor.

I think the problem is that he overestimated the quality of Seraphin's performance.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#209 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:45 pm

Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#210 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:11 pm

nate33 wrote:Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?

I wouldn't have much interest in that. I'd rather sign Someone Else in that eventuality.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#211 » by nuposse04 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:19 pm

Yah i'd give Blair away to sign Sims, withey or Birch. Seraphin is a known bad commodity. So I expect us to resign him eventually should we purge ourselves of Blair.
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Post#212 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:22 pm

nate33 wrote:Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?


No.

Blair is and always has been better than Seraphin.

Seraphin shoots a lot. Blair rebounds more, passes better, steals the ball more and has a significantly higher basketball IQ than Seraphin.

Some fans can't see past the shape or build or athleticism of a player.

The only way to get to Blair worse than Seraphin is to selectively choose to use last season only and ignore career stats, and especially career playoff stats. Otherwise you will find Blair is a good deal better than Seraphin.

I truly question the knowledge of ANY FAN who thinks Seraphin is better than Blair. Kevin is a nice guy who Wittman knew 2 or 3 years before Blair was added to a roster that also had Gortat, Humphries , Gooden, and Seraphin.

No. Nate, I think trading Blair and resigning Seraphin is not only not a good idea, but it's a bad idea.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#213 » by closg00 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:41 pm

nate33 wrote:Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?


Randy probably would.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#214 » by jivelikenice » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:24 am

nate33 wrote:Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?


100%. Seraphin is flawed but Blair provides literally nothing. I'd also give Luc consideration but a backup big seems more prudent
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#215 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:52 am

Why would we want to give KS a one-year contract? Because, I take it, we'd be thinking that we have *no one,* and Seraphin is better than no one. That's not a good reason.

Blair only got 180 minutes last year; lets hope he's worked out over the Summer so that he can do more than cash a pay check. But even if not, I'd still rather have Withey or Sims. In fact... I'd sign Alan Williams.

But, we are at 15. Unless we somehow ditch a contract we aren't adding anyone -- including not adding Seraphin.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#216 » by pcbothwel » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:15 am

I cant lie. Quincy Miller really intrigues me as a stretch 4. Nets are supposed to cut him after getting him from Detroit. Send White to Europe and that would be 15. If push comes to shove, Temple, Martell or Miller could be cut.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#217 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:18 am

jivelikenice wrote:
nate33 wrote:Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?


100%. Seraphin is flawed but Blair provides literally nothing. I'd also give Luc consideration but a backup big seems more prudent


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/wp/2015/02/06/with-bench-depleted-dejuan-blair-sees-rare-playing-time-in-wizards-loss-to-hornets/

Washington Wizards backup center Kevin Seraphin was a late scratch Thursday night due to what was announced to be a sprained right ankle. Coach Randy Wittman, however, expressed surprise.

“I find out 18 minutes on the clock, he says he can’t play,” Wittman said. “Don’t know why.”

With Seraphin unavailable and Drew Gooden III inactive, Wittman was left with a depleted selection of big men. As a result, Wittman went with DeJuan Blair to backup starting center Marcin Gortat. The burly 6-foot-7 big man, who hadn’t played in eight games since logging 18 seconds against the Brooklyn Nets on Jan. 17, played a season-high 15 minutes and instantly provided a physical presence.


Blair continued supplying a burst energy for the second unit, which outperformed its counterpart and shifted the game’s momentum. By the time he exited with 6 minutes 50 seconds remaining in the second quarter, he had scored four points, grabbed four rebounds, taken a charge, and knocked Roberts out. He helped fuel a 15-2 Wizards spurt that jumped Washington ahead 47-41.


http://basketball.realgm.com/player/DeJuan-Blair/Summary/1611\

He offers nothing .... right. :nonono:
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#218 » by AFM » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:27 am

pcbothwel wrote:I cant lie. Quincy Miller really intrigues me as a stretch 4. Nets are supposed to cut him after getting him from Detroit. Send White to Europe and that would be 15. If push comes to shove, Temple, Martell or Miller could be cut.


Quincy Miller has been on my radar since high school. I thought FOR SURE we were going to draft him after he fell to us (took Santorasky instead). Dude had amazing athleticism before he tore his ACL.
He's been really underwhelming in the NBA so far.
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Re: 2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#219 » by Wizardspride » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:02 am

nate33 wrote:Question for the board:

If Dallas was willing to take on Blair's contract, would you give him to Dallas and then resign Seraphin to a 1-year deal?

In a heartbeat

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2015 Free Agency and Offseason - Part II 

Post#220 » by Induveca » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:00 am

I loved Blair coming out of Pitt. Crazy it already seems like a different era. Drafted in 2009, how time flies.

Right now he's FAR too out of shape to make up for his lack of height and athleticism at the PF position. He's no longer matched up with Reggie Evans types, PFs have morphed into Ilyasovas, Pierce, Joe Johnson and Dudleys over the course of his career.

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