Bradley Beal - Part III

queridiculo · Post #201 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:41 pm

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Post #202 » by **nate33** » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:10 pm

Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

CobraCommander · Post #203 » by **CobraCommander** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:05 am

nate33 wrote:Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

Nate33- are you for real right now?

Numbers never lie....except when they do. And those numbers are LYING :nonono:

This is a result of Beal being the RG3 of the NBA and staying hurt. (Number one ability is availability)
But there is no way this team is better with Temple on the floor. Temple is a non-factor in so many games it astonishing-

Post #204 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:24 am

CobraCommander wrote:
nate33 wrote:Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

Nate33- are you for real right now?

Numbers never lie....except when they do. And those numbers are LYING

This is a result of Beal being the RG3 of the NBA and staying hurt. (Number one ability is availability)
But there is no way this team is better with Temple on the floor. Temple is a non-factor in so many games it astonishing-

The numbers aren't lying -- that's what has happened so far this season on the scoreboard. What you're getting at is the analysis part. As in, does Temple CAUSE the Wizards to be better when he's on the floor than when Beal is out there? And the answer: of course not.

DCZards · Post #205 » by **DCZards** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:00 pm

nate33 wrote:Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

Injuries have crushed Beal's season...as well as his numbers. Anytime you play 6 games and then get hurt and miss 3 games...and then come back for 10-11 games...and then sit out 16 games with another injury...and then return (with a mask) and play limited minutes and no back-to-back games...and then go out again for 3 games with a pelvic injury...it has to affect your on-court rhythm, consistency and performance. Just sayin'.

CobraCommander · Post #206 » by **CobraCommander** » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:47 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
nate33 wrote:Beal's on/off differential this season is +1.4.

Temple's on/off differential this season is +5.6.

The team has been considerably better this year with Temple than Beal.

Nate33- are you for real right now?

Numbers never lie....except when they do. And those numbers are LYING

This is a result of Beal being the RG3 of the NBA and staying hurt. (Number one ability is availability)
But there is no way this team is better with Temple on the floor. Temple is a non-factor in so many games it astonishing-

The numbers aren't lying -- that's what has happened so far this season on the scoreboard. What you're getting at is the analysis part. As in, does Temple CAUSE the Wizards to be better when he's on the floor than when Beal is out there? And the answer: of course not.

Right...but honestly some times the analysis doesn't tell the story at all. I like Temple (Otto's basketball Twin) but when he is bad its like playing 4 on 5. If we talking about Beal we need to work with him in the offseason and pay him on potential.

Post #207 » by **nate33** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 12:36 am

This was posted in the Sacramento game thread but deserves a mention here:

Jake Whitacre wrote:With the season now essentially over, Bradley Beal took some time after the Tuesday's game to air his grievances with the Wizards' performance in a game they needed to win to keep their slim playoff hopes alive, calling out their lack of urgency and their hunger, which you can watch here.

After unloading about that game specifically, Beal dove deeper on what's been plaguing the Wizards all season, as J. Michael of CSN Mid-Atlantic and Jorge Castillo of the Washington Post noted:

"We bark too much. We say what we need to do. We scream at one another. We can even try to blame Witt if we want to but at the end of the day we still the ones playing," said Beal, who has had heated exchanges with Nene on the bench. "We still beat ourselves. We do dumb stuff on the floor like just not having a man in transition or not knowing where a guy is at half court or not knowing personnel. We just do dumb mental lapses that just mess up the game and end up hurting us in the long run. Everybody is a grown ass man, you either want to play or you don’t."

Gortat responded to this by tweeting:

This is rich. Bradley freaking Beal is calling out his teammates with 7 games to go in the season. The same Bradley Beal whose inattention to detail on defense results in him ranking 86th among 95 shooting guards in Defensive RPM and has him posting a DRtg of 108 (worst among all Wizards with over 1000 minutes). The same Bradley Beal who hasn't raised his ORtg above 103 in 4 years as a pro. The same Bradley Beal who is posting a career low in WS/48, WS and VORP.

I don't have any interest in what Beal has to say about his teammates. If he wants to be a leader, he better demonstrate some improvement and consistency himself. The guy is supposed to be one of our primary scorers. He has scored 27 or more points in exactly 1 game this entire season! This guy is supposed to be our best shooter but he averages just 76% from the FT line, behind Markieff Morris and Kris Humphries! Beal is the only starter with a negative on/off differential. Among our top 9 rotation guys, only Sessions has a worse on/off differential.

Dark Faze · Post #208 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 1:38 am

If you have to play like its game 7 of a playoff series to beat the Kings then I don’t know what to tell you.

I get what Brad’s overall point was but pointing to effort is such a copout most times. It really takes away from very real issues the team has beyond something so simple. This was a long season and guys played hard the majority of games and ended up with the record that they have now. The truth is that HIS inability to have amazing nights
when guys don’t have it is a huge reason why the team is as mediocre as it is. Beal "balling out" is a 25 point game on occasion.

THE GUY HAS SCORED MORE THAN 30 ONE TIME THIS SEASON. As a player that isn’t a great assist guy. Isn’t known for great defense. He’s a scorer that cannot score well enough consistently, or even randomly get hot and have a huge game.

Honestly? Let him walk. I’ve always argued that you can’t afford to let him leave, but I honestly didn’t realize how bad of a scoring option he’s been. 30+ points ONE time this year? In a contract year? No. Just no. Can’t pay you 20 + million to be a scorer when you can’t even do that. Like…be a THREAT to hit 30 once every ten games while averaging 20 and its another story but this is just nonsense.

payitforward · Post #209 » by **payitforward** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 1:49 am

In Brad's defense -- at least a little bit -- the word he used was "we." Not "they" and not "my teammates" but "we." So, he wasn't calling out his teammates any more than he was calling himself out.

It's the sad end of a difficult season. They must all be incredibly frustrated. You expect something like this.

Post #210 » by **nate33** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 2:16 am

payitforward wrote:In Brad's defense -- at least a little bit -- the word he used was "we." Not "they" and not "my teammates" but "we." So, he wasn't calling out his teammates any more than he was calling himself out.

It's the sad end of a difficult season. They must all be incredibly frustrated. You expect something like this.

I suppose that's fair.

I think, for the most part, Beal needs to keep his public criticisms confined to "I". He hasn't earned the right to say anything more. Let Wall, Gortat or Nene talk about "we".

But, you are right, "we" sure beats "they".

AFM · Post #211 » by **AFM** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 3:59 am

DAYUMMM!!! BRAD GETTING SMOKED LIKE A HOOKAH PIPE!!!

BigA · Post #212 » by **BigA** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 4:39 pm

So, given how the end of the season is playing out, I'd be interested in people's current takes on:

1. What should the Wizards offer Brad? What's fair value given his potential, the known risks, and the emerging cap environment?

2. What's likely to be the best offer that he gets?

3. Assuming the Wizards aren't going to bid against themselves and preemptively offer Brad something that no other team will come close to, and he receives an offer that's more generous than your answer to #1 above (i.e. 2>1), what's the upper limit on what they should match?

Post #213 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 5:14 pm

nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:In Brad's defense -- at least a little bit -- the word he used was "we." Not "they" and not "my teammates" but "we." So, he wasn't calling out his teammates any more than he was calling himself out.

It's the sad end of a difficult season. They must all be incredibly frustrated. You expect something like this.

I suppose that's fair.

I think, for the most part, Beal needs to keep his public criticisms confined to "I". He hasn't earned the right to say anything more. Let Wall, Gortat or Nene talk about "we".

But, you are right, "we" sure beats "they".

Meh, I heard the interview, and he said the equvalent of " If some of us don't want to play, they shouldn't be playing." He was most definitely not pointing at himself; he was pointing at his teammates.

80sballboy · Post #214 » by **80sballboy** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:18 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/752404618768973824[/tweet]

TGW · Post #215 » by **TGW** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:29 pm

I wonder if we should trade him to the Kings for Gay at the deadline just to get rid of his crummy contract.

FAH1223 · Post #216 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:09 pm

80sballboy wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/752404618768973824[/tweet]

Every time he drives even with no one defending him, I think he's going to get hurt.

Post #217 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:29 pm

TGW wrote:I wonder if we should trade him to the Kings for Gay at the deadline just to get rid of his crummy contract.

Interesting idea, almost like a delayed Beal sign-and-trade scenario. And even taking the Kings out of the picture and looking forward to next summer, if Beal is healthy all season he'll likely have some value on the 2017 trade market. Of course him staying healthy could also be a signal to keep him, but at least we'd have options.

keynote · Post #218 » by **keynote** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:45 pm

80sballboy wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/752404618768973824[/tweet]

Bradley has always been fine without a hand in his face. Then again, the same could be said for plenty of other players. Beal needs to work on making contested shots. Ideally, he'd work on quickening his release, but I don't know how easy that is to pull off. So, I guess working on his step-back footwork is better than nothing. But still: until Beal can make tough, contested shots, he'll never be an All-Star.

tontoz · Post #219 » by **tontoz** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:39 pm

keynote wrote:
80sballboy wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/752404618768973824[/tweet]

Bradley has always been fine without a hand in his face. Then again, the same could be said for plenty of other players. Beal needs to work on making contested shots. Ideally, he'd work on quickening his release, but I don't know how easy that is to pull off. So, I guess working on his step-back footwork is better than nothing. But still: until Beal can make tough, contested shots, he'll never be an All-Star.

I'll settle for him making open jumpers off the dribble.

Post #220 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:54 pm

keynote wrote:
80sballboy wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/752404618768973824[/tweet]

Bradley has always been fine without a hand in his face. Then again, the same could be said for plenty of other players. Beal needs to work on making contested shots. Ideally, he'd work on quickening his release, but I don't know how easy that is to pull off. So, I guess working on his step-back footwork is better than nothing. But still: until Beal can make tough, contested shots, he'll never be an All-Star.

Rather than shoot with a hand in his face, I'd like him to develop the Dwyane Wade array of pump fakes so he can draw fouls and get to the line.