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Political Roundtable Part XVII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#201 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:58 pm

cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac wrote:While not relevant to the USA except as a contrast.
New legislation that takes effect January 1 in Ontario
Minimum wages rise $2.40 to $14.00 and to $15 on January 2019
22.5% cut in corporate tax rate from 4.5% to 3.5% for small businesses to offset raise in minimum wages
OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Program) will cover people under 25 will get free access to 4400 medications by presenting a health card and valid prescription to a pharmacy.That is in addition to giving seniors medications for a small dispensary fee.
Employees with 5 years with a company qualify for 3 weeks paid vacation from the current 2 weeks granted to everyone from year 1.
Ontario links with Quebec & California in the largest carbon market in North America in a effort to reduce greenhouse gases.

Yes I know a totally different system but which seems to be fairer to the average citizen?


cammac, couple of questions. (And i'm trying to be more "open" to your posts.) How does canada keep their corporate rates so low? 3.5%?/ really? are there offsetting taxes? for example, what are, say, employer contributions for your version of fica/ss/medicare? and what other taxes do your small businesses pay?

Another question(for all posters). Canadian citizens often come to the states for medical care. What is stopping American's from ordering their meds from canada. or going north of the border and bringing the meds back? I'm talking legally with prescriptions..


Valid questions!
The corporate rate quoted is provincial and for federal small businesses corporate rate is 10% going to 8.5%. There are less loopholes in Canadian corporate taxes and for larger companies over 500K profit corporate rate of 15%. Virtually zero corporations ever paid 35% in USA any that did were brain dead most Fortune 500 companies were paying less than 20% and many zero. So now those same companies in the real world will be likely pay 5% or less.
Yes Canadian employers pay a portion of healthcare as well as employees, self employed, etc. and our equivalent to social security does as above.
Canada and the Provinces rarely give corporations grants to put factories in Canada with a few exceptions. Prime example was with Amazon bidding war to put a 2nd head office campus in North America Toronto offered no incentives rather push the city on its obvious advantages for business.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/10/20/theres-no-begging-in-torontos-amazon-bid-keenan.html

Canada also realizes the driver of the economy is smaller business not the mega corporations. Canada also has HST ( harmonized sales tax ) which is a combination of Federal Sales Tax which will vary from Province to Province but still protects low income people with rebates.

In general Canadian individual taxes are higher but our country has a higher % of middle class than the USA. Canadians are taxed as individuals but some limited income sharing is allowed. But taxes are relative it gets down to what you get for your taxes not how much you pay for.

It is a huge industry for Americans to buy Canadian medications.
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/05/23/patients-cross-borders-for-online-deals-on-medications.html

Yes some Canadians do go to the USA for medical services but it would be minimal likely the top 1% because everyone is treated equally in Canada. I know I looked at it since I broke a tooth in November and before I had it extracted looked at same day replacement with implants offered in USA. Looked at results and found a huge negative on results on the net. Took the Canadian more traditional method which after extraction the give time for healing before implants.


Thank you for the responses. In the US, small businesses are almost always (select to be) an s-corp where the small business net income ("net profit") automatically (passes through) to the owner. Where it becomes individual income-taxed at the individual rate. Is it the same in canada? Where even though these corporate rates are very low and competitive with the Globe, do they in effect become higher rates once the income "passes through" to the owner? and that owner then pays the higher canadian rates on the personal side?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#202 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:01 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#203 » by DCZards » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:15 pm

stilldropin20 wrote::cowboy: :cowboy: :usa: :usa: :rock: :rock: :clap: :clap: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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According to the info in the link, the black unemployment rate was 7.7% when Obama left office last January. It was 7.3% in November. A .4% decrease. Not a big deal.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#204 » by cammac » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:19 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac, couple of questions. (And i'm trying to be more "open" to your posts.) How does canada keep their corporate rates so low? 3.5%?/ really? are there offsetting taxes? for example, what are, say, employer contributions for your version of fica/ss/medicare? and what other taxes do your small businesses pay?

Another question(for all posters). Canadian citizens often come to the states for medical care. What is stopping American's from ordering their meds from canada. or going north of the border and bringing the meds back? I'm talking legally with prescriptions..


Valid questions!
The corporate rate quoted is provincial and for federal small businesses corporate rate is 10% going to 8.5%. There are less loopholes in Canadian corporate taxes and for larger companies over 500K profit corporate rate of 15%. Virtually zero corporations ever paid 35% in USA any that did were brain dead most Fortune 500 companies were paying less than 20% and many zero. So now those same companies in the real world will be likely pay 5% or less.
Yes Canadian employers pay a portion of healthcare as well as employees, self employed, etc. and our equivalent to social security does as above.
Canada and the Provinces rarely give corporations grants to put factories in Canada with a few exceptions. Prime example was with Amazon bidding war to put a 2nd head office campus in North America Toronto offered no incentives rather push the city on its obvious advantages for business.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/10/20/theres-no-begging-in-torontos-amazon-bid-keenan.html

Canada also realizes the driver of the economy is smaller business not the mega corporations. Canada also has HST ( harmonized sales tax ) which is a combination of Federal Sales Tax which will vary from Province to Province but still protects low income people with rebates.

In general Canadian individual taxes are higher but our country has a higher % of middle class than the USA. Canadians are taxed as individuals but some limited income sharing is allowed. But taxes are relative it gets down to what you get for your taxes not how much you pay for.

It is a huge industry for Americans to buy Canadian medications.
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/05/23/patients-cross-borders-for-online-deals-on-medications.html

Yes some Canadians do go to the USA for medical services but it would be minimal likely the top 1% because everyone is treated equally in Canada. I know I looked at it since I broke a tooth in November and before I had it extracted looked at same day replacement with implants offered in USA. Looked at results and found a huge negative on results on the net. Took the Canadian more traditional method which after extraction the give time for healing before implants.


Thank you for the responses. In the US, small businesses are almost always (select to be) an s-corp where the small business net income ("net profit") automatically (passes through) to the owner. Where it becomes individual income-taxed at the individual rate. Is it the same in canada? Where even though these corporate rates are very low and competitive with the Globe, do they in effect become higher rates once the income "passes through" to the owner? and that owner then pays the higher canadian rates on the personal side?


As I have said I have 2 small corporations that qualify for the 10% tax rate.
I personally take nothing from them.
I give bonuses to the employees to keep that tax rate and invest in new equipment etc.
#1 I could take a salary which would be taxed at the highest rate of 33% Federal and 13.16% Provincial (note provincial tax rates vary this is Ontario).
#2 I could pay myself a dividend which would be taxed at 15% which obviously would be the preferred way if I wanted. But I would be subject to the 13.16% Ontario rate.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#205 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:49 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote::cowboy: :cowboy: :usa: :usa: :rock: :rock: :clap: :clap: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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According to the info in the link, the black unemployment rate was 7.7% when Obama left office last January. It was 7.3% in November. A .4% decrease. Not a big deal.


The average for Obama was just under 13% for the entire Obama 8 years. :o :o nearly half that for the Trump year 1. :o :o :o So much for crying "racist!"

and i suspect this number goes down even further. I wont be surprised to see this number an the low "6's" in the next 2 years. which would be all-time record lows.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#206 » by DCZards » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:01 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote::cowboy: :cowboy: :usa: :usa: :rock: :rock: :clap: :clap: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Read on Twitter


According to the info in the link, the black unemployment rate was 7.7% when Obama left office last January. It was 7.3% in November. A .4% decrease. Not a big deal.


The average for Obama was just under 13% for the entire Obama 8 years. :o :o nearly half that for the Trump year 1. :o :o :o So much for crying "racist!"

and i suspect this number goes down even further. I wont be surprised to see this number an the low "6's" in the next 2 years. which would be all-time record lows.


It's not about race. It's about reality. The reality is that Obama left Trump a much better economy than the one he inherited, as well as months and months of job growth and a declining unemployment rate for ALL Americans.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#207 » by cammac » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:21 pm

Rubio said he expects corporations to pay out higher dividends to shareholders and buy back shares to increase their stock price with proceeds from the bill.
“You’re going to see a lot of these multinationals buy back shares to drive up the price,” Rubio told the southwest Florida-based News-Press.

“Some of them will be forced, because they’re sitting on historic levels of cash, to pay out dividends to shareholders,” Rubio said. “That isn’t going to create dramatic economic growth.”


I consider Rubio one of the more intelligent Republicans but even he admits to the stupidity of the Republican Tax plan! Its when you rush things through without proper consultation and debate. Even the plan of hurting the richer Blue States is biting them in the ass because States are finding fixes around the legislation. Corporations will utilize the new tax loopholes and old loopholes and negate almost any taxes.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/29/1728498/-Rubio-finger-to-the-wind-says-bill-he-voted-for-probably-went-too-far-with-corporate-tax-cuts
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#208 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:24 pm

cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac wrote:
Valid questions!
The corporate rate quoted is provincial and for federal small businesses corporate rate is 10% going to 8.5%. There are less loopholes in Canadian corporate taxes and for larger companies over 500K profit corporate rate of 15%. Virtually zero corporations ever paid 35% in USA any that did were brain dead most Fortune 500 companies were paying less than 20% and many zero. So now those same companies in the real world will be likely pay 5% or less.
Yes Canadian employers pay a portion of healthcare as well as employees, self employed, etc. and our equivalent to social security does as above.
Canada and the Provinces rarely give corporations grants to put factories in Canada with a few exceptions. Prime example was with Amazon bidding war to put a 2nd head office campus in North America Toronto offered no incentives rather push the city on its obvious advantages for business.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/10/20/theres-no-begging-in-torontos-amazon-bid-keenan.html

Canada also realizes the driver of the economy is smaller business not the mega corporations. Canada also has HST ( harmonized sales tax ) which is a combination of Federal Sales Tax which will vary from Province to Province but still protects low income people with rebates.

In general Canadian individual taxes are higher but our country has a higher % of middle class than the USA. Canadians are taxed as individuals but some limited income sharing is allowed. But taxes are relative it gets down to what you get for your taxes not how much you pay for.

It is a huge industry for Americans to buy Canadian medications.
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/05/23/patients-cross-borders-for-online-deals-on-medications.html

Yes some Canadians do go to the USA for medical services but it would be minimal likely the top 1% because everyone is treated equally in Canada. I know I looked at it since I broke a tooth in November and before I had it extracted looked at same day replacement with implants offered in USA. Looked at results and found a huge negative on results on the net. Took the Canadian more traditional method which after extraction the give time for healing before implants.


Thank you for the responses. In the US, small businesses are almost always (select to be) an s-corp where the small business net income ("net profit") automatically (passes through) to the owner. Where it becomes individual income-taxed at the individual rate. Is it the same in canada? Where even though these corporate rates are very low and competitive with the Globe, do they in effect become higher rates once the income "passes through" to the owner? and that owner then pays the higher canadian rates on the personal side?


As I have said I have 2 small corporations that qualify for the 10% tax rate.
I personally take nothing from them.
I give bonuses to the employees to keep that tax rate and invest in new equipment etc.
#1 I could take a salary which would be taxed at the highest rate of 33% Federal and 13.16% Provincial (note provincial tax rates vary this is Ontario).
#2 I could pay myself a dividend which would be taxed at 15% which obviously would be the preferred way if I wanted. But I would be subject to the 13.16% Ontario rate.



Interesting. So the tax strategy is to re-invest and grow. And pay yourself in dividends. I am not aware of a path where American with small businesses can pay themselves in dividends that are taxed at significantly lower rates.

But what you do is Similar to what i do with dentistry. In years that I can grow, I keep opening more dental offices with the majority of the profits. In real-estate...I keep using " rental income "profits" to update existing property so i can charge higher rents. Once the property is rented out at higher rates I borrow against it to pull money out and purchase new property. Because I'm former Navy i can borrow up to 100% loan to value through Navy federal. Technically, like you, i dont really have to show much profits using this strategy. The profits would show when i sell all the acquired assets. Which I wont have to do if I bequeath them to my spouse or children...who would be idiots to sell them as well, if the death tax is re-instituted.

At the same time i will move into one of my investments that i will sell after 2 years which makes the profits from that sale tax free up to $250,000($500,000 couple) . Which is what i live off of. Yeah. the IRS hates me. If it wasn't for employer side contributions to fica/ss/med and also real estate taxes I could likely zero out my taxes with this strategy...but that would lesson my buying power. Alas, if they dont get you one way, they will get you the other.

by the way, if anyone reading this wants to learn how to become a "millionaire" while paying minimal taxes in 8 years or less. Just ask. I'll lay it out for you. By year 6 or 7 you wont even need to "work" for anyone but yourself. By year 8 you will easily have at least $1M in equity given standard real estate appreciation 4-5%. And by year 8 you should easily be "earning" over 25K per MONTH in net rental income.

Tell me what city you live near, how much you earn, total amount of savings you can put down on real estate(need at least 25K), and your average credit score(need 680 and up). and I will map it out for you. But this aint for the weak or the lazy. You will need to put in some serious time(extra 3 hours per day) and go through some major frustrations for a few years. By year 3 or 4 it will be second nature.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#209 » by Wizardspride » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:24 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
DCZards wrote:
According to the info in the link, the black unemployment rate was 7.7% when Obama left office last January. It was 7.3% in November. A .4% decrease. Not a big deal.


The average for Obama was just under 13% for the entire Obama 8 years. :o :o nearly half that for the Trump year 1. :o :o :o So much for crying "racist!"

and i suspect this number goes down even further. I wont be surprised to see this number an the low "6's" in the next 2 years. which would be all-time record lows.


It's not about race. It's about reality. The reality is that Obama left Trump a much better economy than the one he inherited, as well as months and months of job growth and a declining unemployment rate for ALL Americans.

Yep.

I don't know why this is so hard for some people to grasp.

Well actually, I don't believe it's hard to grasp at all.

Some people willfully ignore it for their own purposes.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#210 » by cammac » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:43 pm

I remember Trump tossing out paper towels and giving himself a rating of 10 on his response to the disaster in Puerto Rico. :crazy: :crazy:

In late November, Refugees International (RI) conducted a mission to Puerto Rico to assess the protection and assistance needs of the most vulnerable hurricane survivors. This was RI’s first mission within the United States in the organization’s 38-year history. Our goal was to provide insights and expertise based on RI’s long history of advocating for improvements in responses to international humanitarian crises and our experience in similar acute, sudden-onset, weather-related disasters in foreign countries, including island nations.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/29/1728360/-Have-you-read-the-Refugees-International-report-on-the-crisis-in-Puerto-Rico

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/506c8ea1e4b01d9450dd53f5/t/5a37d01bec212d3032461511/1513607203969/RI_Puerto+Rico_Advocacy+Report+R3.pdf
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#211 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:08 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
DCZards wrote:
According to the info in the link, the black unemployment rate was 7.7% when Obama left office last January. It was 7.3% in November. A .4% decrease. Not a big deal.


The average for Obama was just under 13% for the entire Obama 8 years. :o :o nearly half that for the Trump year 1. :o :o :o So much for crying "racist!"

and i suspect this number goes down even further. I wont be surprised to see this number an the low "6's" in the next 2 years. which would be all-time record lows.


It's not about race. It's about reality. The reality is that Obama left Trump a much better economy than the one he inherited, as well as months and months of job growth and a declining unemployment rate for ALL Americans.


I agree. this should NOT be about race at all. But we have 4-5 posters constantly calling trump and anyone supporting trump a racist. As awkward and unfiltered as trump is, he has not done one thing racist. He takes a swing at everyone. Often connects. And he swings hard and does damage. The man simply doesn't care about your race or my race(over half minority).

He simply looks at brass tacks. What is best for the majority of americans. What is cost effective. What brings money into the US. What will save americans money. What will put american back to work. He wants to "win" against foreign countries. It's just a game to him. And he's good at playing these kinds of games for the betterment of the american people.

He is not trying to be your moral compass nor your spiritual leader. He is running your country like he runs his own businesses. Smartly and efficiently. Fairly. He's tough. he doesn't care about your feelings or mine. I happen to like that.

he is re-teaching americans that it is not only "ok" to win. It's righteous. It feels good.

look, I'm a man of science. I have a trip major biology, biochem, lit, and minor in comm. then a doctorate in dental medicine. My life studies often delve into the abstract. and what I have learned along the way is that like matter, energy, food, and the money supply....like those thngs... happiness is also commodity that is often tied to them.

We appreciate and accept that Not everyone makes it to the NBA. Or as a rock star. Or hollywood star. Or even a doctor. Millins of people apply each year and most dont get accepted. We accept that. But we dont like to accept that not everyone gets into accepted college. Or even "the job." And in the end, not every one "gets the girl." when you do get the job, or the girl, you tend to be "happy."


But for every man or boy that "got" the girl. at least 7-8 guys did NOT "get the girl." Same for the job. Same for the raise. Same for the promotion. same for the spot in the starting line up. Life is not fair. So in that regard there is only so much happiness in the world. its very much like a commodity, imo.
So, to me, Happiness is quite similar to matter and energy in that neither created nor destroyed. Rather it is transferred from one shape or form to another(from one being to another). And for every action there tends to be a reaction. So when the "opportunity" or potential for happiness(as a commodity) presents itself. the potential for unhappiness is also present.

And i dont think most human beings quite understand this very simple concept. But i do think Donald Trump does. and he simply want to increase the potential for happiness in more americans citizens vs non-americans. He thinks that is the right thing to do as president. As an american citizen, I just cant argue with that. Other presidents like Obama were simply more interested in the citizens of the Globe over our own americans citizens. And that globalist agenda is/was born in the minds of the powerful international bankers who have successfully lobbied and won over the DNC since the 1990's (perhaps earlier).

And the globalist international bankers only have one purpose...just one. growing and protecting their international wealth. thats it! that's all they want! and in times of peace they do not store their wealth in american markets as 2nd and 3rd rate economies like Ireland will charge them no more than 5-10% taxes on their wealth (if that).

now in times of conflict and all out war? oh yeah! they will park that gold right back in forte knox.

so at some point. you dems have to understand that your liberal ideology was born from globalist bankers who want their international wealth protected and have gone so far as to buy up most of your media to "inform and educate" you as to why this liberal/globalist agenda is good for you. Spoiler alert: ITS NOT GOOD FOR YOU! its good for them!!!

there is only so much food in the world. ONly so much gold. only so much oil. Only so much fresh water. ONly so much money. Which means there is only so much happiness. Ask yourselves. Do you want to hoard those recourses and commodities here in the US or do you want to spread them around the world? For me? I know that answer. And I'm not ashamed of it nor do i feel guilty about it. I care about americans first. You are my neighbors. Your taxes help pay for roads and schools that i drive on and the military that protects me form those that would like to take those recourses from us. I care about YOU! All of you!! and so does Donald Trump.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#212 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:11 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
The average for Obama was just under 13% for the entire Obama 8 years. :o :o nearly half that for the Trump year 1. :o :o :o So much for crying "racist!"

and i suspect this number goes down even further. I wont be surprised to see this number an the low "6's" in the next 2 years. which would be all-time record lows.


It's not about race. It's about reality. The reality is that Obama left Trump a much better economy than the one he inherited, as well as months and months of job growth and a declining unemployment rate for ALL Americans.

Yep.

I don't know why this is so hard for some people to grasp.

Well actually, I don't believe it's hard to grasp at all.

Some people willfully ignore it for their own purposes.


yes. everyone that keeps calling others a racist. they are willfully ignoring the facts.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#213 » by cammac » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:18 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
The average for Obama was just under 13% for the entire Obama 8 years. :o :o nearly half that for the Trump year 1. :o :o :o So much for crying "racist!"

and i suspect this number goes down even further. I wont be surprised to see this number an the low "6's" in the next 2 years. which would be all-time record lows.


It's not about race. It's about reality. The reality is that Obama left Trump a much better economy than the one he inherited, as well as months and months of job growth and a declining unemployment rate for ALL Americans.


I agree. this should NOT be about race at all. But we have 4-5 posters constantly calling trump and anyone supporting trump a racist. As awkward and unfiltered as trump is, he has not done one thing racist. He takes a swing at everyone. Often connects. And he swings hard and does damage. The man simply doesn't care about your race or my race(over half minority).

He simply looks at brass tacks. What is best for the majority of americans. What is cost effective. What brings money into the US. What will save americans money. What will put american back to work. He wants to "win" against foreign countries. It's just a game to him. And he's good at playing these kinds of games for the betterment of the american people.

He is not trying to be your moral compass nor your spiritual leader. He is running your country like he runs his own businesses. Smartly and efficiently. Fairly. He's tough. he doesn't care about your feelings or mine. I happen to like that.

he is re-teaching americans that it is not only "ok" to win. It's righteous. It feels good.

look, I'm a man of science. I have a trip major biology, biochem, lit, and minor in comm. then a doctorate in dental medicine. My life studies often delve into the abstract. and what I have learned along the way is that like matter, energy, food, and the money supply....like those thngs... happiness is also commodity that is often tied to them.

We appreciate and accept that Not everyone makes it to the NBA. Or as a rock star. Or hollywood star. Or even a doctor. Millins of people apply each year and most dont get accepted. We accept that. But we dont like to accept that not everyone gets into accepted college. Or even "the job." And in the end, not every one "gets the girl." when you do get the job, or the girl, you tend to be "happy."


But for every man or boy that "got" the girl. at least 7-8 guys did NOT "get the girl." Same for the job. Same for the raise. Same for the promotion. same for the spot in the starting line up. Life is not fair. So in that regard there is only so much happiness in the world. its very much like a commodity, imo.
So, to me, Happiness is quite similar to matter and energy in that neither created nor destroyed. Rather it is transferred from one shape or form to another(from one being to another). And for every action there tends to be a reaction. So when the "opportunity" or potential for happiness(as a commodity) presents itself. the potential for unhappiness is also present.

And i dont think most human beings quite understand this very simple concept. But i do think Donald Trump does. and he simply want to increase the potential for happiness in more americans citizens vs non-americans. He thinks that is the right thing to do as president. As an american citizen, I just cant argue with that. Other presidents like Obama were simply more interested in the citizens of the Globe over our own americans citizens. And that globalist agenda is/was born in the minds of the powerful international bankers who have successfully lobbied and won over the DNC since the 1990's (perhaps earlier).

And the globalist international bankers only have one purpose...just one. growing and protecting their international wealth. thats it! that's all they want! and in times of peace they do not store their wealth in american markets as 2nd and 3rd rate economies like Ireland will charge them no more than 5-10% taxes on their wealth (if that).

now in times of conflict and all out war? oh yeah! they will park that gold right back in forte knox.

so at some point. you dems have to understand that your liberal ideology was born from globalist bankers who want their international wealth protected and have gone so far as to buy up most of your media to "inform and educate" you as to why this liberal/globalist agenda is good for you. Spoiler alert: ITS NOT GOOD FOR YOU! its good for them!!!

there is only so much food in the world. ONly so much gold. only so much oil. Only so much fresh water. ONly so much money. Which means there is only so much happiness. Ask yourselves. Do you want to hoard those recourses and commodities here in the US or do you want to spread them around the world? For me? I know that answer. And I'm not ashamed of it nor do i feel guilty about it. I care about americans first. You are my neighbors. Your taxes help pay for roads and schools that i drive on and the military that protects me form those that would like to take those recourses from us. I care about YOU! All of you!! and so does Donald Trump.


Well guess what? America isn't that happy!
http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#214 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:41 pm

cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
DCZards wrote:
It's not about race. It's about reality. The reality is that Obama left Trump a much better economy than the one he inherited, as well as months and months of job growth and a declining unemployment rate for ALL Americans.


I agree. this should NOT be about race at all. But we have 4-5 posters constantly calling trump and anyone supporting trump a racist. As awkward and unfiltered as trump is, he has not done one thing racist. He takes a swing at everyone. Often connects. And he swings hard and does damage. The man simply doesn't care about your race or my race(over half minority).

He simply looks at brass tacks. What is best for the majority of americans. What is cost effective. What brings money into the US. What will save americans money. What will put american back to work. He wants to "win" against foreign countries. It's just a game to him. And he's good at playing these kinds of games for the betterment of the american people.

He is not trying to be your moral compass nor your spiritual leader. He is running your country like he runs his own businesses. Smartly and efficiently. Fairly. He's tough. he doesn't care about your feelings or mine. I happen to like that.

he is re-teaching americans that it is not only "ok" to win. It's righteous. It feels good.

look, I'm a man of science. I have a trip major biology, biochem, lit, and minor in comm. then a doctorate in dental medicine. My life studies often delve into the abstract. and what I have learned along the way is that like matter, energy, food, and the money supply....like those thngs... happiness is also commodity that is often tied to them.

We appreciate and accept that Not everyone makes it to the NBA. Or as a rock star. Or hollywood star. Or even a doctor. Millins of people apply each year and most dont get accepted. We accept that. But we dont like to accept that not everyone gets into accepted college. Or even "the job." And in the end, not every one "gets the girl." when you do get the job, or the girl, you tend to be "happy."


But for every man or boy that "got" the girl. at least 7-8 guys did NOT "get the girl." Same for the job. Same for the raise. Same for the promotion. same for the spot in the starting line up. Life is not fair. So in that regard there is only so much happiness in the world. its very much like a commodity, imo.
So, to me, Happiness is quite similar to matter and energy in that neither created nor destroyed. Rather it is transferred from one shape or form to another(from one being to another). And for every action there tends to be a reaction. So when the "opportunity" or potential for happiness(as a commodity) presents itself. the potential for unhappiness is also present.

And i dont think most human beings quite understand this very simple concept. But i do think Donald Trump does. and he simply want to increase the potential for happiness in more americans citizens vs non-americans. He thinks that is the right thing to do as president. As an american citizen, I just cant argue with that. Other presidents like Obama were simply more interested in the citizens of the Globe over our own americans citizens. And that globalist agenda is/was born in the minds of the powerful international bankers who have successfully lobbied and won over the DNC since the 1990's (perhaps earlier).

And the globalist international bankers only have one purpose...just one. growing and protecting their international wealth. thats it! that's all they want! and in times of peace they do not store their wealth in american markets as 2nd and 3rd rate economies like Ireland will charge them no more than 5-10% taxes on their wealth (if that).

now in times of conflict and all out war? oh yeah! they will park that gold right back in forte knox.

so at some point. you dems have to understand that your liberal ideology was born from globalist bankers who want their international wealth protected and have gone so far as to buy up most of your media to "inform and educate" you as to why this liberal/globalist agenda is good for you. Spoiler alert: ITS NOT GOOD FOR YOU! its good for them!!!

there is only so much food in the world. ONly so much gold. only so much oil. Only so much fresh water. ONly so much money. Which means there is only so much happiness. Ask yourselves. Do you want to hoard those recourses and commodities here in the US or do you want to spread them around the world? For me? I know that answer. And I'm not ashamed of it nor do i feel guilty about it. I care about americans first. You are my neighbors. Your taxes help pay for roads and schools that i drive on and the military that protects me form those that would like to take those recourses from us. I care about YOU! All of you!! and so does Donald Trump.


Well guess what? America isn't that happy!
http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/


that's because america has many issues. One issue. America is still in the process of fully over coming the effects of slavery (then racism). Unfair/unamerican(in the modern sense) rules and policies will lead to unhappiness of whichever group is being unfairly treated. keep in mind that it was european bankers via british and french rule that controlled the colonies and instituted slave labor. Those european bankers were attracted to "free labor" to protect their investments in the colonies. Those european bankers (puff puff... Rothschilds... cough cough) didn't have to succumb to local "pressure" to do the right thing back then. As the colonies were an ocean away.

The other main issue that affects american "happiness" is the money supply. When we are flush with cash in out money supply we tend to be "happy." So looking back, WW1 and WW2 both occurred on foreign shores. Europeans(and the Japanese) suffered from those wars far more than americans. Those wars saw the german faction of the Rothschild family fully fund germany during both of those wars. You guys should ask yourselves a question. What was Hitler after???????? How was he funded? how did germany pick itself right back up 20 years later after WW1 to start ww2??? Gold!!! Thats right. Gold from other 4 Rothschild families.

So when The rothschilds wealth was unstable. Where did they ship it? You guessed it!!! The united states(as well as London). Who found itself flush with cash(money supply) during and shortly after WW1(roaring 20's). During those roaring 20's americans tended to be "happy" (if you were a white male.) Females and minorities not so much or as much as rules and laws and policies were unfair.

The rothschilds then withdrew this gold and cash from the american money supply in the 1930's to fund germany (hitler) again during the 1930's. Check out the retraction records if you wish.

At this time other 4 Rothschild houses also withdrew their gold and money during the 1930's from american markets as well so as to stop Hitler during WW2. Americans were not "happy" during the 1930's. See a trend here?

But the other Rothschild houses could not stop him. he already had too much gold(to buy war stuff and pay soldiers) when he caught Poland and Austria sleeping to keep himself funded for the charge on paris(check the BIS, basel switzerland for records). he was 30 miles from paris when the US entered the war on behalf of the allied forces. Mercenaries for hire? yeah, i think so.

But it was during the late 1930's and early 1940's that the bankers realized that they could not stop Hitler by themselves and they began to ship their Gold reserves back to London and to the United States. and during the 1940's, 50's and 60's The United States became the wealthiest central bankers on earth. And the wealthiest country. This time we made sure the money stayed here for a large period of growth and expansion. See a trend yet? and guess what. If you did a poll, Americans tended to be very happy during the 1950. 60's and into the 70's.

then guess what happened?? During the 70's the rothschilds saw potential in the asian and middle eastern markets. They pulled their gold and money out of the american markets and back into Europe where they felt their league of nations/UN/Nato agreements would keep their continent stable and their gold safe. While american mortgage rates went as high as 20% APR and the price of gas went from 10 cents in the 60's, quickly to 30 cents in the 70's, and sky rocketed to $.80c-1.29 in the late 70's. with the retraction of wealth out of the american money supply, in the late 70's-early 80's, once again american were "unhappy."

Enter Ronald reagan and the instability of the cold ward and massive (debt) spending, by the end of the 80's the american market regained some traction and flourished into the 90's as we developed the baddest military the planet had ever seen. where once again, americans were "happy." So happy we were content. so content that we fell asleep at the wheel and elected a president that signed trade agreements that shipped massive amounts of middle class jobs overseas. At that same time, the rothschild dumped a ton of wealth into the asian markets and especially china. taiwon, singapore, and eventually China flourished. American wealth slowly flowed out of the middle class and into the wealthy elite class and to European (international bankers).

If bad trade deals weren't enough slick willy also gave us bad finance oversight and regulation leading up to a massive housing bubble. in 2007-2008 which fully collapsed our markets and wiped out trillions of wealth that the middle class had acquired from the rothschilds during the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's...over the course of 4 quick years that wealth was wiped out the bank accounts and housing equity of the middle and lower class and back to the backing vaults of the investment banking arms of the rothschilds. keep in mind that wealth, like matter, doesn't get destroyed. It simply gets transferred.

And we are right now just coming out of that that crash of 2008 accompanied by full retraction(over 40%) of our money supply.

if you did you poll in 2009 we were effin miserable. even worse in 2012. Numb to it in 2014. where we slowly began to crawl out of it. and right now in 2018, i'd say american are as happy as we have been in a while. But it might not hav ehit everyone quite yet because this past retraction hit us so damn hard we remain divided on what caused it because the far left globalist bankers and their media(NBC, CNN, wapo, NYT, etc) are determined to keep us dumb. keep us divided. keep us thinking that we need to protect their wealth around the globe.

let me ask you guys a question? why the phunk are we protecting Standard (rockefellor/rothschild) and Amaco BP(brittish petroleum-owned by the royal family and their london based rothschild banking cartel) oil rights in the middle east!!?? Why!!! why dont we just let the "locals" take out the "royals" both middle eastern and european? and let them have their own oil?? Why?? Anyone?? Buller?? buller?? ooops, maybe we should ask mueller.

it's a shell game folks. its a house of cards. watch the video i put up. You need to understand banking and the history of banking before you will even begin to understand any of this.

here it is again. start here. educate yourselves. The key to "happiness" is right here.

like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#215 » by cammac » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:47 am

SD20 for a man who wants to teach us!
Your theories come right out of the far right { Nazi, White Nationalist, KKK }
Looked some new ones up Hitler was a Rothschild????
Fox is addictive you need a intervention!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#216 » by stilldropin20 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:13 am

cammac wrote:SD20 for a man who wants to teach us!
Your theories come right out of the far right { Nazi, White Nationalist, KKK }
Looked some new ones up Hitler was a Rothschild????
Fox is addictive you need a intervention!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories


initially funded by rothschilds. yes. absolutely. The 5 rothschild's families: paris, London, Naples, frankfurt, and vienna. and have dominated european banking since the late 1700's and early 1800's. There is no other place Hitler could have secured inital financing. None. other than NY of course Brown Brothers Harrimen bankers Who were also Rothschild agents in the US. george bush great grand daddy was on the board. :nod: Once hitler had "enough" initial funding he then invaded czechoslavakia where he "stole" 25 Billion of rothschild gold from czech branch of rothschild bankers.

From BIS wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements
The most notorious incident in this context was the transfer of 23 tons of gold held by the BIS in London on behalf of the Czechoslovakian national bank to the German Reichsbank after Nazi Germany had invaded Czechoslovakia in March 1939.[8]
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#217 » by montestewart » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:46 pm

cammac wrote:I remember Trump tossing out paper towels and giving himself a rating of 10 on his response to the disaster in Puerto Rico. :crazy: :crazy:

In late November, Refugees International (RI) conducted a mission to Puerto Rico to assess the protection and assistance needs of the most vulnerable hurricane survivors. This was RI’s first mission within the United States in the organization’s 38-year history. Our goal was to provide insights and expertise based on RI’s long history of advocating for improvements in responses to international humanitarian crises and our experience in similar acute, sudden-onset, weather-related disasters in foreign countries, including island nations.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/29/1728360/-Have-you-read-the-Refugees-International-report-on-the-crisis-in-Puerto-Rico

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/506c8ea1e4b01d9450dd53f5/t/5a37d01bec212d3032461511/1513607203969/RI_Puerto+Rico_Advocacy+Report+R3.pdf

He was being humble. STD gave him an 11, pointing out the paper towels were American made (they were made in Mexico), Trump threw them like a former pro quarterback (he actually did hit an old lady in the eye and sent her to the hospital), he spoke fluent Spanish (when he said, "Got any nachos?"), and he had an 80% approval rating in Puerto Rico (polling the hand picked Republicans in the room, 20% of whom were "undecided").
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#218 » by cammac » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:39 pm

One of SD20's demigods is in trouble.
Clarke is as thin skinned as the Trumpster god forbid that people could possibly exercise free speech?

Clarke texted one of his officers to detain Black upon arrival in Wisconsin, according to the affidavit. “Just a field interview, no arrest unless he becomes an **** with your guys,” Clarke texted, according to a screenshot obtained of the texts. “Question for him is why he said anything to me. Why didn’t he just keep his mouth shut?”


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/sheriff-david-clarke-fbi-affidavit_us_5a46d0b6e4b0b0e5a7a67ab7
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#219 » by montestewart » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:18 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac wrote:SD20 for a man who wants to teach us!
Your theories come right out of the far right { Nazi, White Nationalist, KKK }
Looked some new ones up Hitler was a Rothschild????
Fox is addictive you need a intervention!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories


initially funded by rothschilds. yes. absolutely. The 5 rothschild's families: paris, London, Naples, frankfurt, and vienna. and have dominated european banking since the late 1700's and early 1800's. There is no other place Hitler could have secured inital financing. None. other than NY of course Brown Brothers Harrimen bankers Who were also Rothschild agents in the US. george bush great grand daddy was on the board. :nod: Once hitler had "enough" initial funding he then invaded czechoslavakia where he "stole" 25 Billion of rothschild gold from czech branch of rothschild bankers.

From BIS wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements
The most notorious incident in this context was the transfer of 23 tons of gold held by the BIS in London on behalf of the Czechoslovakian national bank to the German Reichsbank after Nazi Germany had invaded Czechoslovakia in March 1939.[8]

I note that you only cite to actual facts regarding the theft of money from Jews by Nazis. When it comes to your previous shock-irony assertion that Jews financed Hitler and the Nazis' rise to power, your proof is:
There is no other place Hitler could have secured inital [sic(k)] financing. None.

There are people who conduct historical research (many both smart and not Jewish), and they have made available facts that do not line up well with crackpot theories. A host of non-Jewish personages (Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, etc.) and families (the Morgans, the Rockefellers, etc.) likely contributed from the very earliest days to the rise of Hitler.

Blaming it all on the Jews (the Rothschilds) allows the Christian-capitalist West to dodge accountability for contributing to the rise of Nazism in its opposition to the rise of Communism, while also feeding the petty superstitions of rank and file haters everywhere. Blaming Nazism on the Jews. Sometimes, analogizing to Hitler is the only place left to go.

Your international banking trope and Rothschild prop mongering inevitably has "Jews" as the next stop. "International Jewish banking" conspiracy theories intentionally ignore banking controlled by non-Jews and ignore the historical events, trends, and patterns that led to Jews' presence in banking in the first place. It's just dem greedy Jews.

I don't mind posters spending page after page saying not much of anything (I loved hands11, and you're really nothing but a recently right-winged hands11 with a better stt app) but if you go too far in a Jew-baiting (or any other kind of race-baiting) direction, we might not love it, and your "almost 50% minority" won't get you out of jail free.

Don't respond. Just think about that. And damn, post something about basketball every once in while.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#220 » by cammac » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:36 pm

President Trump is going for a medical on January 12th and it will be interesting to find out the results! The Presidency has a age restriction in how young a person can be to run but no age limit of how old a President can be. Both Clinton and Trump were in there 70s and if Bernie and Biden contend for the Democratic nomination for 2020 will be 79 & 78 respectively. America has had a number of Presidents that should not have served portions of their terms because of mental or physical impairment during portions of there terms. Woodrow Wilson, Warren Harding, FDR, Dwight Eisenhower, JFK, Ronald Reagan & George H.W. Bush.
https://www.healthline.com/health/diseases-of-presidents#ronald-reagan
People also had questions about the mental health of both LBJ and Nixon during the last periods of there terms in office.

To be President in these complicated times there is a need for transparency in the case of Wilson, FDR and Reagan we know that there wives were essentially President during the last period of their terms. During the 2016 election we saw concerns about the physical health of Clinton which was a concern. Trump really hasn't produced a real physical and many or questioning his health. He is obviously obese and by all accounts has a extremely poor diet and the only exercise he gets is swinging a golf club. How competent is he but many are worried about his mental health in that he has exhibited symptoms who many could contribute to Alzheimer's. None of us have the proper backgrounds to make a judgement.

He may be absolutely 100% fit but I think certain parameters should be set for future Presidential candidates. Candidates should have independent medical and psychological examination to rule on fitness for office. I'm a senior and realize that some discrimination is attributed to age but I know that I personally would be hesitant to vote for candidates over 72 which i will be in February.
It also concerns me in the Senate , Congress & Supreme Court.
https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_current_United_States_Senators_by_age
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