Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[gambitx777]

Wizards get : fultz , Baker , nitillkina, robinson, a first from NYC, 2 seconds from Philly
Nyc get : wall
Philly get: Lee
The money works even if we count the possible impact of he trade kicker of we take Baker with our trade exception from smith. We get two young cheep pgs who we can have off the books after next season if we choose to not pick up the options , but who could still develop and a young big and some picks. The Nick's get a start and wall might be motivated under he big lights in NYC and Philly get ride of fultz for some much needed shooing depth. I'd even take 2 seconds from NYC over a first too!

[nate33]

Wizards get : fultz , Baker , nitillkina, robinson, a first from NYC, 2 seconds from Philly
Nyc get : wall
Philly get: Lee
The money works even if we count the possible impact of he trade kicker of we take Baker with our trade exception from smith. We get two young cheep pgs who we can have off the books after next season if we choose to not pick up the options , but who could still develop and a young big and some picks. The Nick's get a start and wall might be motivated under he big lights in NYC and Philly get ride of fultz for some much needed shooing depth. I'd even take 2 seconds from NYC over a first too!

Why is Philly trading away Fultz and two 2nds to get Lee's lousy contract? If Fultz is done and they want to get rid of him, they can simply opt out of his 4th year. That way merely pay the $9.7M he is owed next year rather than paying Lee $12.8M and losing two 2nd rounders in the process.

Cut Philly out. Trades exploring Wall to NY should definitely be considered and have been proposed already. The salary basis is Wall for Lee plus something. I think it's pretty ambitious to assume that that "something" will be their 1st, plus Robinson, plus Nitilikina. My guess is that we just get 1 of those 3, probably Nitilikina.

[nate33]

It doesn’t feel like we are trading Morris unless some idiot gives us a first rounder or we fall out of playoff contention. We joke about it, but I can see our brain trust wanting to resign him.

Morris will not be resigned unless Wall is gone. We can't afford it.

If Wall is on the team next year, our team will be Wall, Beal, Porter, Brown, Howard, Mahinmi, our 2019 1st round pick, 6 minimum salary vets, and one decent player costing about $8M (hopefully Sato).

Stretch Mahinmi, get $10M of room..

That's just more mortgaging the future (by crimping our cap room for 3 years) for a futile attempt at winning now. I'd rather bite the bullet and just eat the last year of Mahinmi's contract. I certainly wouldn't stretch Mahinmi for the purpose of retaining Morris.

[payitforward]

Wizards get : fultz , Baker , nitillkina, robinson, a first from NYC, 2 seconds from Philly
Nyc get : wall
Philly get: Lee
The money works even if we count the possible impact of he trade kicker of we take Baker with our trade exception from smith. We get two young cheep pgs who we can have off the books after next season if we choose to not pick up the options , but who could still develop and a young big and some picks. The Nick's get a start and wall might be motivated under he big lights in NYC and Philly get ride of fultz for some much needed shooing depth. I'd even take 2 seconds from NYC over a first too!

Over on the other side of the room, I see my dog dreaming. Her paws are going, she's making all kinds of happy, soft noises. I don't know what she's dreaming of, but I figure it's something like this trade you're proposing in which we get Mitchell Robinson, a lottery pick & 2 R2 picks for John.

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[gambitx777]

Wizards get : fultz , Baker , nitillkina, robinson, a first from NYC, 2 seconds from Philly
Nyc get : wall
Philly get: Lee
The money works even if we count the possible impact of he trade kicker of we take Baker with our trade exception from smith. We get two young cheep pgs who we can have off the books after next season if we choose to not pick up the options , but who could still develop and a young big and some picks. The Nick's get a start and wall might be motivated under he big lights in NYC and Philly get ride of fultz for some much needed shooing depth. I'd even take 2 seconds from NYC over a first too!

Over on the other side of the room, I see my dog dreaming. Her paws are going, she's making all kinds of happy, soft noises. I don't know what she's dreaming of, but I figure it's something like this trade you're proposing in which we get Mitchell Robinson, a lottery pick & 2 R2 picks for John.

I don't think its that crazy honestly.robinsons good, they don't really need nitillikin if they get wall. Sure you might have to take back less of a pick package which I mentioned. But if Philly wants some depth to help with a play off push Lee ain't bad a good defender and shooter. Obviously it's a dreamer scinario but it's not that crazy!

[dangermouse]

Wait, I'm confused. You do or don't want expirings for Porter?

So it would seem. Let me ask you a simple question: if Otto Porter was on your team, would you trade him for expiring salaries? Nah, I didn't think so.

Would you trade him for Markell Fultz? No.

So... why are you in here insisting over almost 1/2 dozen posts that we should take your wooden nickel for him, b/c otherwise we'd somehow be forced to deal him for pennies on the dollar?

I came to discuss a trade and figure out what your team wants, no need to insult me or talk down to me.

The reason you trade Porter is to avoid paying luxury tax as a fringe playoff team. Quite frankly, you won't be competing for a very long time. No one is taking Wall's contract and you're closer to being a lottery team than a contender.

Good luck with your average overpaid team.

Imagine being a Sixers fan and finally feeling high and mighty after a decade of barely cracking 20 wins in a season.

[payitforward]

So it would seem. Let me ask you a simple question: if Otto Porter was on your team, would you trade him for expiring salaries? Nah, I didn't think so.

Would you trade him for Markell Fultz? No.

So... why are you in here insisting over almost 1/2 dozen posts that we should take your wooden nickel for him, b/c otherwise we'd somehow be forced to deal him for pennies on the dollar?

I came to discuss a trade and figure out what your team wants, no need to insult me or talk down to me.

The reason you trade Porter is to avoid paying luxury tax as a fringe playoff team. Quite frankly, you won't be competing for a very long time. No one is taking Wall's contract and you're closer to being a lottery team than a contender.

Good luck with your average overpaid team.

Imagine being a Sixers fan and finally feeling high and mighty after a decade of barely cracking 20 wins in a season.

Nah, he's right -- my tone was too dismissive. I apologized, but he hasn't been back.

[gambitx777]

I came to discuss a trade and figure out what your team wants, no need to insult me or talk down to me.

The reason you trade Porter is to avoid paying luxury tax as a fringe playoff team. Quite frankly, you won't be competing for a very long time. No one is taking Wall's contract and you're closer to being a lottery team than a contender.

Good luck with your average overpaid team.

Imagine being a Sixers fan and finally feeling high and mighty after a decade of barely cracking 20 wins in a season.

Nah, he's right -- my tone was too dismissive. I apologized, but he hasn't been back.

Definitely port won't fetch top dollar bit he's at least going to get a prospect or a low first. With that cap filler expiring filler

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[WallStar]

http://tradenba.com/trades/H1tBMtj1N

Wiz:
Wall to Phoenix
2nd to LAL

Phoenix:
Ariza to LAL
1st to LAL

LAL:
Ball to Wiz
Ingram to Wiz

[Eli Babak]

"The two teams have been working to find a third team to take on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope as part of a bigger deal. The Suns would like to acquire a playmaking guard and a draft asset."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251862/Lakers-Suns-Discussing-Trevor-Ariza-Trade

WAS in: KCP
WAS out: Austin Rivers (+ cash)

PHX in: Austin Rivers, LAL 2020 2nd
PHX out: Trevor Ariza

LAL in: Trevor Ariza (+ cash)
LAL out: KCP, 2020 2nd

Should be easy yes for us, right? I feel like we should be the ones sending the pick but we have already traded way too many!

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Edit: Or maybe just

WAS in: KCP, MIL 1st
WAS out: John Wall (+ cash)

PHX in: John Wall, LAL 2020 2nd (+ cash)
PHX out: Trevor Ariza, MIL 1st

LAL in: Trevor Ariza
LAL out: KCP, 2020 2nd

I'd probably do this without the pick as well. Wall's supermax is so so bad, but Phoenix is so so bad too. With this trade we'd have room to re-sign Satoransky & Oubre and keep building around Sato/Beal/Oubre/Porter/Bryant/Brown/future 1sts (+ FAs not signed by Ernie Grunfeld).

[nate33]

"The two teams have been working to find a third team to take on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope as part of a bigger deal. The Suns would like to acquire a playmaking guard and a draft asset."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251862/Lakers-Suns-Discussing-Trevor-Ariza-Trade

WAS in: KCP
WAS out: Austin Rivers (+ cash)

PHX in: Austin Rivers, LAL 2020 2nd
PHX out: Trevor Ariza

LAL in: Trevor Ariza (+ cash)
LAL out: KCP, 2020 2nd

Should be easy yes for us, right? I feel like we should be the ones sending the pick but we have already traded way too many!

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Edit: Or maybe just

WAS in: KCP, MIL 1st
WAS out: John Wall (+ cash)

PHX in: John Wall, LAL 2020 2nd (+ cash)
PHX out: Trevor Ariza, MIL 1st

LAL in: Trevor Ariza
LAL out: KCP, 2020 2nd

I'd probably do this without the pick as well. Wall's supermax is so so bad, but Phoenix is so so bad too. With this trade we'd have room to re-sign Satoransky & Oubre and keep building around Sato/Beal/Oubre/Porter/Bryant/Brown/future 1sts (+ FAs not signed by Ernie Grunfeld).

I'd do either of those trades. I don't think PHX would do that 1st trade though. Nobody wants Rivers. KCP is a viable rotation guy.

[Dark Faze]

lakers would be stupid to trade a first for ariza

[Ruzious]

http://tradenba.com/trades/H1tBMtj1N

Wiz:
Wall to Phoenix
2nd to LAL

Phoenix:
Ariza to LAL
1st to LAL

LAL:
Ball to Wiz
Ingram to Wiz

I'd tweek it to make it more realistic: Make the Phoenix 1st rounder top 5 protected, and change Ingram to Josh Hart. As much as PIF likes Hart (and I do, too), I think the Lakers would much rather trade Hart than Ingram.

[popper]

I’m going to be hugely depressed if by Dec 15 we haven't traded Wall. And I’m going to be angry if I find out later that we turned down a reasonable offer because EG/TL wanted to save face.

[nate33]

I’m going to be hugely depressed if by Dec 15 we haven't traded Wall. And I’m going to be angry if I find out later that we turned down a reasonable offer because EG/TL wanted to save face.

At this point, I'd trade Wall for virtually no return. Just give me Ryan Anderson's contract. Or Courtney Lee + Ntilikina. Or KCP + Rondo. Or Solomon Hill + Wesley Johnson. Just get him off the team. It's not going to work here. He has too many bad habits and nobody in management will ever have the standing to force him to address these bad habits.

If we keep Wall, we are condemning ourselves 4 more years of utter mediocrity and perhaps much worse. At least if he is gone, there's a chance we can re-assert some institutional control on the franchise again and put in a system that develops players properly. We are already seeing some bad habits in Oubre (the bitching at the refs) and Porter showed some laziness and inattentiveness early in the season. I don't want that to continue.

[pcbothwel]

I’m going to be hugely depressed if by Dec 15 we haven't traded Wall. And I’m going to be angry if I find out later that we turned down a reasonable offer because EG/TL wanted to save face.

At this point, I'd trade Wall for virtually no return. Just give me Ryan Anderson's contract. Or Courtney Lee + Ntilikina. Or KCP + Rondo. Or Solomon Hill + Wesley Johnson. Just get him off the team. It's not going to work here. He has too many bad habits and nobody in management will ever have the standing to force him to address these bad habits.

If we keep Wall, we are condemning ourselves 4 more years of utter mediocrity and perhaps much worse. At least if he is gone, there's a chance we can re-assert some institutional control on the franchise again and put in a system that develops players properly.

See, I think trading Oubre + Morris/Rivers and getting under the tax is more important in the near term. I think getting under the tax is key in providing us flexibility to moving forward.
I also think this market is going to suck this offseason for teams with Max spots. A few teams will be left out in the cold.

One sleeper team...Nets. They could trade us Crabbe for Wall and they would have 1 max spot left. Seems like a perfect fit in that regard.
Crabbe is literally one of the worst players in the NBA. Rivers, but making 18M each of the next two years...
Crabbe, the Denver 1st, and either DinWiddie, Musa, or Kurucs would not be a big ask at all.

[Shanghai Kid]

I still believe that when push comes to shove nobody will trade for Wall.

I might be wrong, but Wall having a heel injury and scoring 1 point is another red flag for other teams.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Two years ago I was the Wall basher.

It's funny that now Wall is what I said he was back then.

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