Rui Hachimura

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One thing I think will be interesting going forward. What weight will Rui play at?
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/18/rui-hachimura-scouting-report/
This website has him listed at 238. It was obvious that Mark Few wanted to play like a traditional big man. I wouldn't be surprised if he drops some pounds and plays around 230. I'd also recommend that you read this post because it is easily the most critical scouting report of Rui that I've seen. They rated him around #44.

Far from my glowing reports, they see him as at best a 6th or 7th man off the bench.

[dangermouse]

I really like Hachimura, but I figured he’d get selected in 20 range.

Don’t understand the fit here at all. Defense and rebounding were the obvious needs, Rui gives us neither.

An undersized non-rebounding mid range shooting PF that may struggle to defend in space against NBA competition is the best we could do?

The best comp, Markieff Morris minus the knuckleheadedness.

Bit late to the party, just reading the thread now...

Reading that post, it sounds like we could just re-sign Jabari and got that. Except Jabari jumps higher and doesnt play in slow motion

[TheAlchemist]

You Washington Fans should be ashamed of yourselves. He's a solid, solid pick.

When the Spurs want someone in the draft, TRUST me, there's a huge reason for it.

He has the potential to become a really good scoring small forward, and Antwan Jamison is a great, great example of that. Or a bigger bulkier Rashward Lewis.

He needs to slim down more though, because I think he can be a great stretch 4 or a scoring 3. He also needs to work HARD on his defense. He can't be lazy with it.

I'm of the opinion he was the Best Player Available for you guys, and the 4th best player after RJ Barret.

He's 21 and is raw af. We're talking about a guy who played in Japan, not in America, and has been completely naive. 20 ppg off of .60% shooting from 2 is not easy to do, and this kids super raw, irregardless of the usage.

I'd actually hope that Brooks gives him the KD treatment the first year Durant was in Seattle, and funnel everything through him.

Raptors picked Demar at the 9th spot and we started him right away. It really did help, and to be honest I feel like Rui can be the Demar of the Powerforwards/Small Forwards, which is not that bad to be honest.

[prime1time]

You Washington Fans should be ashamed of yourselves. He's a solid, solid pick.

When the Spurs want someone in the draft, TRUST me, there's a huge reason for it.

He has the potential to become a really good scoring small forward, and Antwan Jamison is a great, great example of that. Or a bigger bulkier Rashward Lewis.

He needs to slim down more though, because I think he can be a great stretch 4 or a scoring 3. He also needs to work HARD on his defense. He can't be lazy with it.

I'm of the opinion he was the Best Player Available for you guys, and the 4th best player after RJ Barret.

He's 21 and is raw af. We're talking about a guy who played in Japan, not in America, and has been completely naive. 20 ppg off of .60% shooting from 2 is not easy to do, and this kids super raw, irregardless of the usage.

I'd actually hope that Brooks gives him the KD treatment the first year Durant was in Seattle, and funnel everything through him.

Raptors picked Demar at the 9th spot and we started him right away. It really did help, and to be honest I feel like Rui can be the Demar of the Powerforwards/Small Forwards, which is not that bad to be honest.

Don’t lump us all into the same boat. Also, many people on here are simply jaded. When Rui dominates in summer league they’ll start to understand. He’s not going to get the KD treatment though. We have Bradley Beal. So I actually disagree with you. We need to take him slow and transform him for the pure scorer that he was at Gonzaga to a good all around player.

[queridiculo]

Bit late to the party, just reading the thread now...

Reading that post, it sounds like we could just re-sign Jabari and got that. Except Jabari jumps higher and doesnt play in slow motion

Except Hachimura is on a rookie scale contract.

Deficiencies that could conceivably correct over time are far more palatable when you're not paying 8 figures a year.

[payitforward]

You Washington Fans should be ashamed of yourselves. He's a solid, solid pick.

When the Spurs want someone in the draft, TRUST me, there's a huge reason for it.

He has the potential to become a really good scoring small forward, and Antwan Jamison is a great, great example of that. Or a bigger bulkier Rashward Lewis.

He needs to slim down more though, because I think he can be a great stretch 4 or a scoring 3. He also needs to work HARD on his defense. He can't be lazy with it.

I'm of the opinion he was the Best Player Available for you guys, and the 4th best player after RJ Barret.

He's 21 and is raw af. We're talking about a guy who played in Japan, not in America, and has been completely naive. 20 ppg off of .60% shooting from 2 is not easy to do, and this kids super raw, irregardless of the usage.

I'd actually hope that Brooks gives him the KD treatment the first year Durant was in Seattle, and funnel everything through him.

Raptors picked Demar at the 9th spot and we started him right away. It really did help, and to be honest I feel like Rui can be the Demar of the Powerforwards/Small Forwards, which is not that bad to be honest.

Don’t lump us all into the same boat. Also, many people on here are simply jaded. When Rui dominates in summer league they’ll start to understand. He’s not going to get the KD treatment though. We have Bradley Beal. So I actually disagree with you. We need to take him slow and transform him for the pure scorer that he was at Gonzaga to a good all around player.

This is great input, & yes it can't be denied that it becomes a habit to predict bad things -- when they've happened over & over.

[closg00]

You Washington Fans should be ashamed of yourselves. He's a solid, solid pick.

When the Spurs want someone in the draft, TRUST me, there's a huge reason for it.

He has the potential to become a really good scoring small forward, and Antwan Jamison is a great, great example of that. Or a bigger bulkier Rashward Lewis.

He needs to slim down more though, because I think he can be a great stretch 4 or a scoring 3. He also needs to work HARD on his defense. He can't be lazy with it.

I'm of the opinion he was the Best Player Available for you guys, and the 4th best player after RJ Barret.

He's 21 and is raw af. We're talking about a guy who played in Japan, not in America, and has been completely naive. 20 ppg off of .60% shooting from 2 is not easy to do, and this kids super raw, irregardless of the usage.

I'd actually hope that Brooks gives him the KD treatment the first year Durant was in Seattle, and funnel everything through him.

Raptors picked Demar at the 9th spot and we started him right away. It really did help, and to be honest I feel like Rui can be the Demar of the Powerforwards/Small Forwards, which is not that bad to be honest.

To be fair, our selection of Rui was one of the most polarizing picks of the 1st round if you followed all of the coverage and write-ups.
However, there seems to be agreement that Rui is very capable of improving his defense and feel for the game, we'll just have to see how-quickly he learns. For the short-term, he's got great potential to be a great spark plug off the bench on offense.

[FAH1223]

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[Ruzious]

...Is Clarke's lack of bulk going to allow him to rebound as well in the NBA? He's certainly not going to block NBA bigs out on a regulr basis. Tyrus Thomas was a monster rebounder at LSU playing next to Big Baby - getting 14 rebounds per 36 minutes. In the NBA, he averaged 8.8 rebounds per 36. Why is that going to be different for Clarke? And Thomas was actually a little bigger than Clarke.

What makes Tyrus Thomas, good or bad, any kind of model for Brandon Clarke, I wonder?

How big was Dennis Rodman? Why is Steph such an outstanding rebounding guard? Size?

The biggest differences between Brandon Clarke & a whole bunch of other guys are a) his incredible athleticism -- not just jumping but jumping twice, jumping to the right place... I mean... you've watched him, right? And b) his extremely high BBIQ.

He is going to be an exceptional player in the NBA. The evidence for that is in how exceptional he has been so far.

Meh, I think you know by now that I've watched more of Clarke than you have. The better question is Did you watch Tyrus Thomsas when he was at LSU? He was every bit the athlete Clarke is.

[nate33]

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The guy has a point. Those FIBA highlights are pretty remarkable. I especially like the pass he makes at 1:32.

It's possible that Hachimura is a much better and more aware team player when he is in an environment where the language barrier isn't an issue.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Meh, I think you know by now that I've watched more of Clarke than you have. The better question is Did you watch Tyrus Thomsas when he was at LSU? He was every bit the athlete Clarke is.

Thomas was honestly a better athlete than Clarke. Still, Thomas wasn't undone because of his athleticism. He was undone mainly by injuries and by not being a particularly adaptable player. I don't think Clarke is quite at Thomas' level for athleticism but I'm also not sure he's going to prove to be quite as inadaptable and if he can stay healthy, he's likely going to be quite good.

I really don't get why it isn't possible to like both guys, though, or why one guy can't be praised without directly or indirectly tearing down the other guy. They're very different players but both also very good.

[Ruzious]

Meh, I think you know by now that I've watched more of Clarke than you have. The better question is Did you watch Tyrus Thomsas when he was at LSU? He was every bit the athlete Clarke is.

Thomas was honestly a better athlete than Clarke. Still, Thomas wasn't undone because of his athleticism. He was undone mainly by injuries and by not being a particularly adaptable player. I don't think Clarke is quite at Thomas' level for athleticism but I'm also not sure he's going to prove to be quite as inadaptable and if he can stay healthy, he's likely going to be quite good.

I really don't get why it isn't possible to like both guys, though, or why one guy can't be praised without directly or indirectly tearing down the other guy. They're very different players but both also very good.

I agree with some of what you said there, but how are they very different players?

[doclinkin]

Meh, I think you know by now that I've watched more of Clarke than you have. The better question is Did you watch Tyrus Thomsas when he was at LSU? He was every bit the athlete Clarke is.

Thomas was honestly a better athlete than Clarke. Still, Thomas wasn't undone because of his athleticism. He was undone mainly by injuries and by not being a particularly adaptable player. I don't think Clarke is quite at Thomas' level for athleticism but I'm also not sure he's going to prove to be quite as inadaptable and if he can stay healthy, he's likely going to be quite good.

I really don't get why it isn't possible to like both guys, though, or why one guy can't be praised without directly or indirectly tearing down the other guy. They're very different players but both also very good.

I agree with some of what you said there, but how are they very different players?

I’d say they are similar players but Clarke has shown the ability to improve and adjust. And that likely makes all the difference.

[Ruzious]

Thomas was honestly a better athlete than Clarke. Still, Thomas wasn't undone because of his athleticism. He was undone mainly by injuries and by not being a particularly adaptable player. I don't think Clarke is quite at Thomas' level for athleticism but I'm also not sure he's going to prove to be quite as inadaptable and if he can stay healthy, he's likely going to be quite good.

I really don't get why it isn't possible to like both guys, though, or why one guy can't be praised without directly or indirectly tearing down the other guy. They're very different players but both also very good.

I agree with some of what you said there, but how are they very different players?

I’d say they are similar players but Clarke has shown the ability to improve and adjust. And that likely makes all the difference.

I like Clarke, but I think his rebounding and blocks will decrease quite a bit in the NBA - much like Thomas'. Granted, PF's (and perhaps Pif's) have gotten smaller since Thomas' days, but Clarke is smaller in height/weight/length. Even in the smallball era, there aren't PF's as small as Clarke. He'll make up a lot of that with athleticism - but not all of it. I hope he does well, because he's a fun player to watch. Going back to Dirt's comments, I respect folks who point out the negatives as well as the positives of players - regardless of whether or not they like the players.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I agree with some of what you said there, but how are they very different players?

Just to be clear, I mean Clarke and Hachimura, not Clarke and Thomas, though I think Thomas has his differences, too. But in terms of differences, Rui is definitely more capable on the offensive end. He can handle a bigger workload, is a better shooter from and is generally a guy who handles more of the offensive area a little farther from the basket. Clarke gets more assists but I also feel Rui is a better passer than Clarke anyway because he attempts/makes a slightly higher degree of difficulty there while Clarke makes shorter passes inside that are more likely to result in an assist. Not that Clarke is bad, because he isn't - just that Hachimura is a touch better in that respect is all. Clarke... well, we also know what he does better than Rui.

Insofar as Clarke is concerned, his rebounding doesn't concern me at all. He may see a bit of a dip if he isn't asked to chase down offensive boards but I think having one overloaded rebounder is overrated and the NBA has figured that out. You want a bunch of guys who can rebound but who are also willing to give up the rebound to the next guy rather than wasting energy trying to chase it down themselves. Clarke's biggest asset is his defense where I think he's going to be able to defend inside and out incredibly well and that he has enough offense and hustle to be super annoying on that end, too.

[JWizmentality]

You Washington Fans should be ashamed of yourselves. He's a solid, solid pick.

When the Spurs want someone in the draft, TRUST me, there's a huge reason for it.

He has the potential to become a really good scoring small forward, and Antwan Jamison is a great, great example of that. Or a bigger bulkier Rashward Lewis.

He needs to slim down more though, because I think he can be a great stretch 4 or a scoring 3. He also needs to work HARD on his defense. He can't be lazy with it.

I'm of the opinion he was the Best Player Available for you guys, and the 4th best player after RJ Barret.

He's 21 and is raw af. We're talking about a guy who played in Japan, not in America, and has been completely naive. 20 ppg off of .60% shooting from 2 is not easy to do, and this kids super raw, irregardless of the usage.

I'd actually hope that Brooks gives him the KD treatment the first year Durant was in Seattle, and funnel everything through him.

Raptors picked Demar at the 9th spot and we started him right away. It really did help, and to be honest I feel like Rui can be the Demar of the Powerforwards/Small Forwards, which is not that bad to be honest.

Most of us really like him...just a few stat nerds with sand up their hoo hah.

[MDStar]

You Washington Fans should be ashamed of yourselves. He's a solid, solid pick.

When the Spurs want someone in the draft, TRUST me, there's a huge reason for it.

He has the potential to become a really good scoring small forward, and Antwan Jamison is a great, great example of that. Or a bigger bulkier Rashward Lewis.

He needs to slim down more though, because I think he can be a great stretch 4 or a scoring 3. He also needs to work HARD on his defense. He can't be lazy with it.

I'm of the opinion he was the Best Player Available for you guys, and the 4th best player after RJ Barret.

He's 21 and is raw af. We're talking about a guy who played in Japan, not in America, and has been completely naive. 20 ppg off of .60% shooting from 2 is not easy to do, and this kids super raw, irregardless of the usage.

I'd actually hope that Brooks gives him the KD treatment the first year Durant was in Seattle, and funnel everything through him.

Raptors picked Demar at the 9th spot and we started him right away. It really did help, and to be honest I feel like Rui can be the Demar of the Powerforwards/Small Forwards, which is not that bad to be honest.

Most of us really like him...just a few stat nerds with sand up their hoo hah.

That’s my feeling as well. I made a post about Rui back in early April in the draft thread and was shot-down by a few on the board. In my opinion, while he may not have “dominated”, which was the word I used that caused PCbothwell to vehemently disagree with, I stand by the stance that he was one of the top 5 players in college last year on performance. So while he may not have dominated in the fashion of Zion, he still was a consensus All-America, the West Coast Conference Player of the Year (over Clark) and was named to the All-Region NCAA tournament team. I think the kid is rough but was extremely productive, played at a high level and showed skills that should translate to the new NBA. I actually really like the pick and am glad to have him here in Washington.

[Kanyewest]

I'm excited to see Rui play. He appears to be a very polarizing pick. Teams like the Hornets and Spurs want him. Other teams in the twenties were said that they would not take him if he slipped according to Ryen Russillo.

We also have the trade down strategy of acquiring more assets which would have won a lot of points with some Wizards fans(at least until the pick was made) . Although it makes sense to just keep the pick if he's actually 4th on your board and there is a huge drop off, as Kendrick Perkins on The Jump advocated.

I certainly understand his limitations including his lack of defensive awareness and rebounding. Although from the few times I've seen him, he does have a more than capable offensive game that could get better.

I just get the sense that there appears to be a wide range of looking at players. I'm not sure I'll even get a feel for him until some point half way thorough the season.

I feel like the reaction of this pick reminds me of fans a TV show or movie where they are ultimately disappointed like the Last Jedi or Game of Thrones, especially the part where there are many detractors.

I'm more neutral on this pick with a wait and see approach. I can certainly see why many are upset but it still appears to be a long road ahead with Wall out and his contract, the past Otto trade, the summer of 2016... But maybe the move can be looked at in a different lens more positively in a couple of years. Time will tell.

[deneem4]

I think rui will be a Japanese speaking jimmy butler...
Attitude and outspoken the main difference
I see them comparable in 1on1 situation defensively...hes not the team defender but he will take pride with not letting guys consistently score on him...
He’s also a willing passer...

Offensively I think they have the same strengths..

We not going to see his ceiling until the playoffs...
I feel he’s one of the guys that bring it when the stages is the biggest

[duppyy]

I think you guys got a good draft pick here. I have a Japan bias cause I love that country but I'll be watching more Wizards games next season.