Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[Wizardspride]

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[daoneandonly]

The irony of many of the posters on here using the word accountable over the last few pages, that's right, accountable.

How about accountability for people who take out student loans to I dont know, pay them back? How about accountability for people who get hooked on drugs they were not prescribed instead of chalking it up to "stupid on crime, stupid on drugs"? How about accountability for the subset of people who work minimum wage jobs due to their own actions/choices,instead of giving them an easy out by doubling it? And of course the subject I never let go of, how about accountability for those couples?

That accountability should not be ignored

[daoneandonly]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-says-likely-baghdadi-successor-killed-by-us-troops/ar-AAJwiI2?ocid=mailsignout

It would be interesting to know what the military and intelligence communities think about the amount of information Trump shares on these operations via tweet. It would be interesting to know how many times a piece of secret intelligence was spontaneously declassified via tweet without discussion or forethought of potential consequences. It would be interesting to know what the military and intelligence communities think about Trump's grandstanding and claiming credit for this in a way I have never witnessed a president claim, as commander-in-chief, credit for a military operation.

I hear you!

[Wizardspride]

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[Ruzious]

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Talk about Theater of the Absurd. We have a President of the US who EVERYONE with a brain understands is a serial liar and who evaded military service through questionable at best means, and we have a deeply respected heavily decorated Army patriot with a spotless record. There's no question which one should be believed - none whatsoever - regardless of political leanings. One would have to literally be mentally (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to not understand that.

That was the appropriate word, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that.

[dobrojim]

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Speaks for itself I would say.

[dobrojim]

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Posted about this yesterday before the YouTube was up.

[montestewart]

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Posted about this yesterday before the YouTube was up.

I'm thinking this is probably fake

[closg00]

There is no bottom for Trump supporters, they would throw their Grandmother under the bus for Trump

[dckingsfan]

Anyone have experience with Microgrids? Real-time electricity markets if you will on a small scale.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/10/28/20926446/california-grid-distributed-energy

[JWizmentality]

The irony of many of the posters on here using the word accountable over the last few pages, that's right, accountable.

How about accountability for people who take out student loans to I dont know, pay them back? How about accountability for people who get hooked on drugs they were not prescribed instead of chalking it up to "stupid on crime, stupid on drugs"? How about accountability for the subset of people who work minimum wage jobs due to their own actions/choices,instead of giving them an easy out by doubling it? And of course the subject I never let go of, how about accountability for those couples?

That accountability should not be ignored

You see everything in black white and epitomize none of the christian values you claim to adhere to. You are NOTHING like your Christ.

[I_Like_Dirt]

You see everything in black white and epitomize none of the christian values you claim to adhere to. You are NOTHING like your Christ.

Has he claimed to be Christian? I thought it was the other way around but my memory could be foggy.


Branching off a bit, there is starting to become a significant amount of evidence to target causes rather than policing after the fact with punishments as a deterrent. Check out how they're handling violent crime in Scotland, for example:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180723-why-we-should-treat-violence-like-an-epidemic

There's a weird dynamic between cause and effect which is an odd duality of the human condition. Realistically, free will probably doesn't exist as we are nothing more than a part of a collection of particles moving around interacting with each other, even if we don't have the ability to track them all to determine where it's all going. Functionally, though, it's better people believe free will does exist. They aren't actually mutually exclusive positions even though they appear to be on the surface. And it plays out in my example of violent crime cited above. The argument isn't necessarily that punishing violent criminals shouldn't be a thing at all, it's that it isn't something that's likely to actually reduce crime. You can do both but it would be foolish to just keep on punishing while doing nothing to actually prevent it and wondering why the world was so unfair.

[daoneandonly]

The irony of many of the posters on here using the word accountable over the last few pages, that's right, accountable.

How about accountability for people who take out student loans to I dont know, pay them back? How about accountability for people who get hooked on drugs they were not prescribed instead of chalking it up to "stupid on crime, stupid on drugs"? How about accountability for the subset of people who work minimum wage jobs due to their own actions/choices,instead of giving them an easy out by doubling it? And of course the subject I never let go of, how about accountability for those couples?

That accountability should not be ignored

You see everything in black white and epitomize none of the christian values you claim to adhere to. You are NOTHING like your Christ.

You're 100% right, I fall as short as falling can be, no denying that. Doesnt change the fact that Christians supporting abortion are worse, why? because in that case innocent lives are murdered, in my case, none are. And sure you can say separate church & state, and its an argument, religious views being put on others is a slippery slope, but why then doesnt the same hold true for one of the most basic fundamental religious beliefs and practices, helping the poor? Why is that not seen as dont force ur views on me?

[daoneandonly]

You see everything in black white and epitomize none of the christian values you claim to adhere to. You are NOTHING like your Christ.

Has he claimed to be Christian? I thought it was the other way around but my memory could be foggy.

I am, but I think you may have assumed so because deep down we all know abortion is not a religious issue, its a human ethical one.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I am, but I think you may have assumed so because deep down we all know abortion is not a religious issue, its a human ethical one.

I try not to assume anything. I might have just missed or forgotten the posts where you cleared that up as I jump in and out of this thread. But I'd agree, it's more of an ethical issue than a religious one. The catch is that it's made to be something other than an ethical issue which is where you see the Alabama abortion ban that is perfectly fine with test-tube foetuses dying because a woman isn't pregnant.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-29/why-alabama-s-abortion-law-includes-an-exemption-for-infertility

[montestewart]

I am, but I think you may have assumed so because deep down we all know abortion is not a religious issue, its a human ethical one.

I try not to assume anything. I might have just missed or forgotten the posts where you cleared that up as I jump in and out of this thread. But I'd agree, it's more of an ethical issue than a religious one. The catch is that it's made to be something other than an ethical issue which is where you see the Alabama abortion ban that is perfectly fine with test-tube foetuses dying because a woman isn't pregnant.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-29/why-alabama-s-abortion-law-includes-an-exemption-for-infertility

Hot take: the goal is not to preserve unborn foetuses but to regulate women's bodies.

[daoneandonly]

I am, but I think you may have assumed so because deep down we all know abortion is not a religious issue, its a human ethical one.

I try not to assume anything. I might have just missed or forgotten the posts where you cleared that up as I jump in and out of this thread. But I'd agree, it's more of an ethical issue than a religious one. The catch is that it's made to be something other than an ethical issue which is where you see the Alabama abortion ban that is perfectly fine with test-tube foetuses dying because a woman isn't pregnant.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-29/why-alabama-s-abortion-law-includes-an-exemption-for-infertility

Hot take: the goal is not to preserve unborn foetuses but to regulate women's bodies.

The way the guy phrased it was idiotic for sure

But I'll just add one thing and leave this subject be. For all the pro choice champions, all you have to think about is this very simplistic, but accurate idea. If your parents decided to have an abortion when you were conceived, you wouldnt be able to be on this very board arguing for it. For those of you who are in love, if your significant other's parents decided to abort, you wouldnt have that particular special someone by your side as you read this. I dont understand how this line of thinking is never even thought about

[I_Like_Dirt]

For those of you who are in love, if your significant other's parents decided to abort, you wouldnt have that particular special someone by your side as you read this. I dont understand how this line of thinking is never even thought about

What about those who have someone they love that would have died without an abortion? What about all the potential social problems that abortion is masking? For the most part, abortion is really just attempting to deal with a horrible situation with no easy answers (no, abortion isn't easy) and banning it is a band aid on top of a band aid. People self-medicate with cigarettes and alcohol and people die because of it. We don't ban those things, either, and we really shouldn't. If we want to prevent abortion, we need to attack its causes just as if we want to reduce alcoholism or smoking or whatever we need to attack the causes.

That article I cited about Scotland and violent crime is another great example of how actually dealing with causes gets results in ways that after-the-fact policing simply can't. And to maybe shift the subject a bit, I think we need to start looking that way where greed is concerned as well - attacking the causes rather than standing around and doing nothing.

[daoneandonly]

Have you guys heard rumblings about a potential Biden/Yang ticket, thoughts? Could that work?

[daoneandonly]

For those of you who are in love, if your significant other's parents decided to abort, you wouldnt have that particular special someone by your side as you read this. I dont understand how this line of thinking is never even thought about

What about those who have someone they love that would have died without an abortion? What about all the potential social problems that abortion is masking? For the most part, abortion is really just attempting to deal with a horrible situation with no easy answers (no, abortion isn't easy) and banning it is a band aid on top of a band aid. People self-medicate with cigarettes and alcohol and people die because of it. We don't ban those things, either, and we really shouldn't. If we want to prevent abortion, we need to attack its causes just as if we want to reduce alcoholism or smoking or whatever we need to attack the causes.

That article I cited about Scotland and violent crime is another great example of how actually dealing with causes gets results in ways that after-the-fact policing simply can't. And to maybe shift the subject a bit, I think we need to start looking that way where greed is concerned as well - attacking the causes rather than standing around and doing nothing.

Well those circumstances are horrific, but they pale into comparison numbers wise with those that have it just because they want to. The difference isnt minuscule, its astronomical. I think we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on the idea that abortion isnt easy. To me, its the cop out, easy out way to go.