WOJ Bomb: Michael Winger becomes the Wizards President of Basketball Operations

[gambitx777]

The odds seem a lot higher than 80-20 at this point, i.e. a couple of days past your post, Zards. Yet, interestingly, it doesn't look like anyone wants to give very much for Brad.

That's no surprise for two reasons -- first off, it goes w/o saying that if the Wizards *must* move Brad, then people will be looking for a very very good deal.

But, I doubt that's the big reasons for low-grade offers.
Instead, I imagine, it's that idiotic no-trade clause -- which goes with him.

IOW, thinks a gm, if he's making it difficult for the Wiz to trade him, then he's going to make it difficult for me when I want to trade him.

Personally, i.e. if I were running things, I wouldn't trade him in that environment. In fact, I'd be playing hardball with him -- as he did in getting himself the no-trade provision. I'd be insisting that he modify the contract to remove that clause. Period. Otherwise he can look forward to a long slow close to his career while watching a constricted team try to build a winner through the draft over a period of several years.

As to "build a winner around BB," that's not even remotely possible.
Of all the players drafted from 2012 forward, only two have played more minutes than Brad: Damian Lillard & Harrison Barnes.

Brad's declining; it's not tragic, it's what you'd expect. & of course, as with any other player in his position, the decline will become steeper & quicker as he ages. That's not a judgment on Brad -- far from it! It's just Father Time doing his perpetual job.

Don't think that is possible according to the CBA

Even if it's possible why would Beal do that. He's probably the 50th- 75th best player in the league but he's in top ten in pay and arguably the most powerful player in the league.

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Well, of course, he doesn't have to modify the clause in order to be traded; he just has to agree not to invoke it.

But, if i'm the other team, the one trying acquire Brad, I'm extremely unlikely to want a player with that in his contract.

[FAH1223]

Michael Winger gave his “State of Monumental Basketball” presser which he said will be held around this time of the year annually. Lots of stuff on the Wizards but also many questions and answers on the Mystics. Some notable stuff below.

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[queridiculo]

Yawn.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

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Wow, just wow, that clip says a lot. The smarmy "No", and seemed flustered to take the question in the first, sputtered about being happy for Deni, happy for friends in Portland's management (WTF does that have to do with anything) and ends with the weakest of weak arguments about age curves, acting like Deni is some dinosaur at the ripe old age of 25.

Vindication, and kudos to the reporter finally having the backbone to ask

[lastemp3ror]

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Wow, just wow, that clip says a lot. Arrogant quick "No", and seemed flustered to take the question in the first, sputtered about being happy for Deni, happy for friends in Portland's management (WTF does that have do with anything) and ends with the weakest of weak arguments about age curves, acting like Deni is some dinosaur at the ripe old age of 25.

Vindication, and kudos to the reporter finally having the backbone to ask.

Especially when they bring in Young, who is older, and his contract ends at the same time as Deni's. He says how Young will help the young players grow and facilitate them on the offensive end. Not only can Deni do all of that, but he would also help on the defensive side.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

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Wow, just wow, that clip says a lot. Arrogant quick "No", and seemed flustered to take the question in the first, sputtered about being happy for Deni, happy for friends in Portland's management (WTF does that have do with anything) and ends with the weakest of weak arguments about age curves, acting like Deni is some dinosaur at the ripe old age of 25.

Vindication, and kudos to the reporter finally having the backbone to ask.

Especially when they bring in Young, who is older, and his contract ends at the same time as Deni's. He says how Young will help the young players grow and facilitate them on the offensive end. Not only can Deni do all of that, but he would also help on the defensive side.

It's a f'n joke. They don't have a good reason so they try to talk about an "age curve" despite age curve implying not everyone is the same age. Winger is a smarmy-face, weasel answering twit.

Can't wait to see the kool-aid drinking crew's latest mental gymnastics on this.

[lastemp3ror]

Can't wait to see the kool-aid drinking crew's latest mental gymnastics on this.

If you like seeing mental gymnastics, go to the Wizards sub on reddit and click on the post for this video. Literally everyone is slurping up everything this management team is doing.

For the record, outside of this move, I really like what the management is doing, and I think the future is bright. However, I stand by what I said weeks ago. This trade will go down as one of the worst in this franchise's history.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Can't wait to see the kool-aid drinking crew's latest mental gymnastics on this.

If you like seeing mental gymnastics, go to the Wizards sub on reddit and click on the post for this video. Literally everyone is slurping up everything this management team is doing.

For the record, outside of this move, I really like what the management is doing, and I think the future is bright. However, I stand by what I said weeks ago. This trade will go down as one of the worst in this franchise's history.

Lapping from the trough.

I suppose this isn't a surprise, Winger was part of the brain trust over in LAC that sent SGA and the farm for Paul George. Sure age curves were a big consideration there too.

[TGW]

Can't wait to see the kool-aid drinking crew's latest mental gymnastics on this.

If you like seeing mental gymnastics, go to the Wizards sub on reddit and click on the post for this video. Literally everyone is slurping up everything this management team is doing.

For the record, outside of this move, I really like what the management is doing, and I think the future is bright. However, I stand by what I said weeks ago. This trade will go down as one of the worst in this franchise's history.

Lapping from the trough.

I suppose this isn't a surprise, Winger was part of the brain trust over in LAC that sent SGA and the farm for Paul George. Sure age curves were a big consideration there too.

Ooof. I forgot about that. One of the worst trades in NBA history, and he follows it up with this one.

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Wait... let me understand -- oh, I get it, you are saying you didn't like the deni trade? Is that it? &...

...all hope is gone with this bunch of losers running the show.

I'm sure you're right....

[closg00]

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Wow, just wow, that clip says a lot. The smarmy "No", and seemed flustered to take the question in the first, sputtered about being happy for Deni, happy for friends in Portland's management (WTF does that have do with anything) and ends with the weakest of weak arguments about age curves, acting like Deni is some dinosaur at the ripe old age of 25.

Vindication, and kudos to the reporter finally having the backbone to ask

Yeah, he finally got asked about this F up, they traded Deni and extended Corey. He gave a bad politicians response because the facts are just so bad for him.

[GoneShammGone]

Wow, just wow, that clip says a lot. Arrogant quick "No", and seemed flustered to take the question in the first, sputtered about being happy for Deni, happy for friends in Portland's management (WTF does that have do with anything) and ends with the weakest of weak arguments about age curves, acting like Deni is some dinosaur at the ripe old age of 25.

Vindication, and kudos to the reporter finally having the backbone to ask.

Especially when they bring in Young, who is older, and his contract ends at the same time as Deni's. He says how Young will help the young players grow and facilitate them on the offensive end. Not only can Deni do all of that, but he would also help on the defensive side.

It's a f'n joke. They don't have a good reason so they try to talk about an "age curve" despite age curve implying not everyone is the same age. Winger is a smarmy-face, weasel answering twit.

Can't wait to see the kool-aid drinking crew's latest mental gymnastics on this.

You guys take everything people say so literally. "age curve" is a polite way of saying "we wanted to lose 60 games, and Deni would have screwed that up." He's an NBA exec. He *can't* say the truth, which is that the Wizards were purposely throwing games. The goal was Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, or Ace Bailey.

In the end, the whole plan blew up in their face because we got screwed in the draft lottery. But that was the play: trade Deni, lose a ton, get a top three pick. It was a risk and it failed, but it wasn't a completely stupid risk.

My big problem with the trade is the return they got. They underestimated how good Deni would become. I would have rather they waited until the trade deadline to pump up Deni's value. Like most people on this board I don't think Winger/Dawkins are perfect, I just reject the idea that you guys seem to have, that they are a bunch of incompetent morons.

[AFM]

Let's turn this thread into the deepthroating Deni thread too. And also some other threads. I think you missed a few.

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...You guys take everything people say so literally. "age curve" is a polite way of saying "we wanted to lose 60 games, and Deni would have screwed that up." He's an NBA exec. He *can't* say the truth, which is that the Wizards were purposely throwing games. The goal was Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, or Ace Bailey.

In the end, the whole plan blew up in their face because we got screwed in the draft lottery. But that was the play: trade Deni, lose a ton, get a top three pick. It was a risk and it failed, but it wasn't a completely stupid risk.

My big problem with the trade is the return they got. They underestimated how good Deni would become. I would have rather they waited until the trade deadline to pump up Deni's value. Like most people on this board I don't think Winger/Dawkins are perfect, I just reject the idea that you guys seem to have, that they are a bunch of incompetent morons.

Hallelujah, a ray of sunshine. We'll see what kind of vitriolic response it evokes.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I knew it was only a matter of time before the flood gates opened with the lap dogs barking.

Pitiful response given that he's had a year and a half to come up with something. As closg00 said, politicians response because horrible optics. Yeah "no ReGrAtz", I just traded away a 26-7-7 swiss army knife.

Keep lapping from the trough, lappies.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

...You guys take everything people say so literally. "age curve" is a polite way of saying "we wanted to lose 60 games, and Deni would have screwed that up." He's an NBA exec. He *can't* say the truth, which is that the Wizards were purposely throwing games. The goal was Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, or Ace Bailey.

In the end, the whole plan blew up in their face because we got screwed in the draft lottery. But that was the play: trade Deni, lose a ton, get a top three pick. It was a risk and it failed, but it wasn't a completely stupid risk.

My big problem with the trade is the return they got. They underestimated how good Deni would become. I would have rather they waited until the trade deadline to pump up Deni's value. Like most people on this board I don't think Winger/Dawkins are perfect, I just reject the idea that you guys seem to have, that they are a bunch of incompetent morons.

Hallelujah, a ray of sunshine. We'll see what kind of vitriolic response it evokes.

Simone Biles mental gymnastics heating up. I'm sure we are going to see plenty of 10s today.

[FAH1223]

Can't wait to see the kool-aid drinking crew's latest mental gymnastics on this.

If you like seeing mental gymnastics, go to the Wizards sub on reddit and click on the post for this video. Literally everyone is slurping up everything this management team is doing.

For the record, outside of this move, I really like what the management is doing, and I think the future is bright. However, I stand by what I said weeks ago. This trade will go down as one of the worst in this franchise's history.

This trade isn't even the realm of the worst in franchise history because they got assets back.

I'd be pissed if this was Chris Webber for Mitch Richmond.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Just an observation, but it's really telling that the ardent "this trade denialist" camp on this board get bent out of shape about me teasing with things like "rookie", "fan boy" or "Dawkintologist" (now "lappies", I kinda like that one, the double entendre thing going for it) but over here they are calling people c*nts, telling guys they live in their moms basements, talking about deep throating (I've lost count how many times), generating AI photos (multiple counts) and in the same breath acting as if others are unhinged and pathetic.

[FAH1223]

Let's turn this thread into the deepthroating Deni thread too. And also some other threads. I think you missed a few.

A lot of crying over someone who would make this a 30 win team?

It's also a clear case of, if they didn't draft you, they will get rid of you. That was the implication in 2023 when these guys came in and started talking deconstruction. They said it on camera we are taking out all the foundations and will start completely over.