Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[MF23]

Wizards give up Blatche.

Nuggets trade Afflalo, Lawson and Balkman.

The Wizards would have to release Martin and Hudson. Martin could also go in the trade. If Kirk wasn't on the Wizards I would like this trade more. Lawson can play at the pace I think the Wizards should be playing at. I'm a big fan of Afflalo and would love EG to get him in the future. Not a fan of Balkman but he makes this trade work.

The Nuggets likely would turn this down because they have money wrapped up in with Andersen and Harrington. They are the Nuggets, so there could be a chance they actually want Blatche. If Yi and Kirk are included the Wizards can also take Martin's exp contract.

So, it would be Blatche, Yi and Kirk

for

Afflalo, Lawson, Balkman and K. Martin.

I don't think that's some impossible trade. The Nuggets probably would want some type of draft pick since they will be rebuilding. EG should have held out for draft picks with the Mavs and Nets! Anyhow, if Blatche can get his self together I think this is a possible trade.

[LyricalRico]

^ I don't see DEN wanting to give up Lawson since Billups is nearing the end. I also don't see a need for Lawson here in WAS. What about Blatche+Yi for Nene?

[closg00]

Steve (Cicero, NY)


Did a lot of teams miss on getting Michael Beasley after he was out in Miami? Have to think a team like Orlando could have used him to replace Rashard and get someone who can score on their own.

Chris Sheridan (2:53 PM)


Miami tried like heck to trade him last year, and New Jersey and Washington were two of the teams that could have had him for nothing but passed because of questions about his character.

Interesting, I don't recall us being part of the discussion then.

[LyricalRico]

^ Good. I'm glad we passed on Beasley because if we had him he'd just be at the club with Blatche. We don't need any more of that.

[AceDegenerate]

^ Good. I'm glad we passed on Beasley because if we had him he'd just be at the club with Blatche. We don't need any more of that.

Because what we need is what? Larry Bird's Pacers?

[Hoopalotta]

^ Good. I'm glad we passed on Beasley because if we had him he'd just be at the club with Blatche. We don't need any more of that.

Because what we need is what? Larry Bird's Pacers?

Yeah, I would call it a missed opportunity myself, with just two possible caveats:

1) The 82 games numbers have him as pulling down a PER of 12 point something at small forward and 21 at power forward. I don't know if that's correct as there top 5 man rotations have a number of lineups with Beasley at the 3 near the top, but everything below that was with him as the power forward. What does that mean? Don't know, but I wouldn't regret it if it's true that he needs to play the 4 as we already did the whole Jamison thing. From watching very briefly, he seems OK at the 3, but that's not very scientific.

2) How is he as a catch and shoot guy compared with his pull up game? He's got a real nice game hitting jumpers off the dribble (hit two sweet long 2's in crunch time yesterday) and is a genuine shot creator, but I'd need to know that he was a catch and shoot guy too. This year few of his shots are assisted, so that's either good or bad (good that he can, bad if he has to iso and we have Wall).

I just haven't watched enough this year to say and Miami was rather dysfunctional for him.

I don't worry too much about his rep as he's playing really inspired over there, especially given the circumstances, and is probably a lot more "zany" than malignant (my understanding is the worst he does is show up at porn conventions and such). Miami is really tight arsed, so it was just a bad fit.

But the guy's a serious shot creator with a ridiculous stroke and what looks like a good motor, so as long as those concerns check out alright, I think it was a missed opportunity even if he's got some holes. I was in favor of it and backed off during the debate here (pre-draft) as it seemed like we were going to have max cap space in 2011, but that was eventually purged with a few moves, so it really seems like a flier with actual upside (as opposed to Yi).

I recall one wiretap article that said our front office was split with an internal debate as to whether to bite or not, but we were rumored in on this one more than a few times.

[dangermouse]

If we ever got Super Cool Beas, he would be a perfect 6th man imo. backing up the 3, but spending most of his time at the 4 against the other team's backup 4s. i dont think hes out of reach down the line, unless the Twolves really want to keep him and they have the same ideas for him. He plays the same position as Love, and they also have Wes Johnson who should start to improve, I think we could offer more minutes. Plus, judging by his tattoos, he seems to love him some DC.

edit: the Twolves interest in getting Anthony Randolph from the Knicks doesnt bode well for Beas' future there either.

[TGW]

Keep Beasley AWAY FROM THIS TEAM.

[LyricalRico]

Keep Beasley AWAY FROM THIS TEAM.

That's really all that needs to be said.

[AceDegenerate]

Keep Beasley AWAY FROM THIS TEAM.

That's really all that needs to be said.

I think if Beasley looked more like Kirk Hinrich - guys like you would be more ready to forgive his mistakes.

[TGW]

Keep Beasley AWAY FROM THIS TEAM.

That's really all that needs to be said.

I think if Beasley looked more like Kirk Hinrich - guys like you would be more ready to forgive his mistakes.

[Ruzious]

Beasley would have to be a PF for the Wiz. At the 3, we need a catch and shoot guy, and he's definitely not that. As shown by his history with Miami and Minny - if he's not used exactly right, he's... not a good player. If he's used at PF, we know he can score. I think he'd be a better rebounder than his NBA numbers show - keeping in mind that he's playing with the best rebounder in the NBA - so he doesn't have to dominate the boards now - and he was an outstanding rebounder in his 1 college season. But defense... that's a huge problem. Ultimately, you can't win without good defense. Beasley's a useful player, but he's not the kind of player I'd spend what it would likely take to get him.

[Hoopalotta]

Beasley would have to be a PF for the Wiz. At the 3, we need a catch and shoot guy, and he's definitely not that. As shown by his history with Miami and Minny - if he's not used exactly right, he's... not a good player. If he's used at PF, we know he can score. I think he'd be a better rebounder than his NBA numbers show - keeping in mind that he's playing with the best rebounder in the NBA - so he doesn't have to dominate the boards now - and he was an outstanding rebounder in his 1 college season. But defense... that's a huge problem. Ultimately, you can't win without good defense. Beasley's a useful player, but he's not the kind of player I'd spend what it would likely take to get him.

Those would be the arguments against that I'd place more emphasis on.

He starts at the 3 now and looked passable in the 36 minutes or whatever I've seen of the Slush Puppies this year, but that's not much scrutiny, so if you really need to play him at the 4 then you better have Mutombo backing him up (and we don't). You're not going to win like that otherwise.

And then you'd have to question whether playing with Wall would increase his efficiency or not as Wade obviously didn't (You'd like to see him popping up about 5 threes a game instead of the long twos for starters). He shoots a lot of jumpers of the dribble which is a respectable shot in crunch time if you can't get anything else, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the flow of the offense.

Still, it's worth noting that he's very likely a better shot creator than anyone coming out of this next draft outside of maybe the point guard position.

[nate33]

In hindsight, acquiring Beasley would have made sense. If nothing else, we could probably trade him elsewhere for value.

I was against the idea of drafting Beasley at the time because I was eyeing 2011 as our time to make a free agency splash. With that date being postponed to 2012, Beasley wouldn't have been such a financial albatross.

Oh well. I won't get too upset about it unless Minnesota starts winning. Right now, they're a terrible defensive team and a pretty poor offensive team. Their individual numbers are skewed by the fact that they play at the fastest pace in the league.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Would you as a Wizard fan approve of a Wall trade if it enabled Washington to: acquire Carmelo Anthony with money to re-sign him and Nick Young under cap, get rid of Rashard Lewis' contract, and swap Blatche for Favors?

If so, here's how in two trades:

#1- Wizards trade Wall, Lewis, Armstrong, Hudson to NJ for Favors, Murphy, Harris, and Damion James

#2- Wizards trade Blatche, Seraphin, Murphy, 1st round pick to Denver for Anthony

Wizards new lineup: PG Harris/Hinrich, SG Young, SF Anthony, PF Favors, C McGee

The Wizards get a sure superstar and Favors at 19 has tools to improve to stardom. Thoughts?

[nate33]

I wouldn't give up the pick to Denver. Heck, I wouldn't trade anything for Melo and just wait until the summer to sign him.

At any rate, it would be a huge gamble that I would not undertake unless I knew for certain that Melo is obtainable. Basically, I'd wait unit the offseason before committing to any of this. It would still work then because NJ has the cap room to absorb the salary differential in a Lewis+Wall for Harris swap.

But assuming this all took place, and we obtained Melo via a straight up signing rather than a trade, our roster would look like this:

PG Harris/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Melo/lotto pick
PF Favors/Booker
C McGee/Blatche



That's a damn good team - an elite team if McGee ever reaches his potential as a rich man's Tyson Chandler. The only real weakness is outside shooting. I'm not thrilled with Harris, Favors and McGee together when none of them have an outside shot. We might be better off starting Hinrich.

This pipe dream is almost as good as my pipe dream of signing Howard in 2012.
PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Lewis/lotto pick
PF Blatche/Booker
C Howard/Seraphin

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Don't forget Damion James at SF, nate.

[verbal8]

Would you as a Wizard fan approve of a Wall trade if it enabled Washington to: acquire Carmelo Anthony with money to re-sign him and Nick Young under cap, get rid of Rashard Lewis contract, and swap Blatche for Favor?

Interesting idea. However I would try very hard not to give up Wall.

#2- Wizards trade Blatche, Seraphin, Murphy, 1st round pick to Denver for Anthony

If this trade was available, the Wizards could like do something similar with another expiring in place of Murphy. I think the Wizards could probably send Josh Howard to the Nuggets while shipping Yi, cash and a protected pick off for cap space(TPE or to Minny). It saves Denver a lot of money.

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... berwolves/

Love Talks About Possibly Leaving Timberwolves

But I still want this guy if they decide to get Melo.

Wilson Chandler #21 SF 6-8 225
http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3194
This is exactly what the team is missing.

But with all the wins NY is racking up, you have to wonder if they really want to change anything.
Or maybe if they do get Melo, Denver will take Wilson.

Either way, I can still wish we got him.

[hands11]

I wouldn't give up the pick to Denver. Heck, I wouldn't trade anything for Melo and just wait until the summer to sign him.

At any rate, it would be a huge gamble that I would not undertake unless I knew for certain that Melo is obtainable. Basically, I'd wait unit the offseason before committing to any of this. It would still work then because NJ has the cap room to absorb the salary differential in a Lewis+Wall for Harris swap.

But assuming this all took place, and we obtained Melo via a straight up signing rather than a trade, our roster would look like this:

PG Harris/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Melo/lotto pick
PF Favors/Booker
C McGee/Blatche



That's a damn good team - an elite team if McGee ever reaches his potential as a rich man's Tyson Chandler. The only real weakness is outside shooting. I'm not thrilled with Harris, Favors and McGee together when none of them have an outside shot. We might be better off starting Hinrich.

This pipe dream is almost as good as my pipe dream of signing Howard in 2012.
PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Lewis/lotto pick
PF Blatche/Booker
C Howard/Seraphin

But I thought when I keep bringing up Melo's name in the past it was always shot down as not worth talking about because " He isn't coming here "

But in line with what CCJ was asking, hell yeah I would consider Wall in a trade.

Hey, it's great to have a talented quick PG but the key to winning I don't believe is keyed to having a #1 draft pick level PG, not nearly as great as having the right SF, PF, C, SG

Now if that PG was Magic Johnson, that's something different. He played 5 positions.