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Post#221 » by Mizerooskie » Wed May 18, 2011 5:05 am

Black Eyed Sooz wrote:David Aldridge just put up a rather bizarre mock draft of his own at nba.com- he has the Wiz taking Markieff Morris at #6 and at #18 he has us passing up Chris Singleton to take Davis Bertans, who's like 6 foot 10 and 95 pounds. He also has Bismack dropping to #16 and Kemba Walker at #21.

The one thing he said that makes sense is that the Wiz will probably think about using that #18 to move up from #6 as people have been talking about in this thread. I think it will probably not be enough. I would be love to throw Blatche in if that would help, but I'm not real optimistic about that.

The real question is- are we willing to do, say, Wiz #6 pick this year + 2012 1st round pick (unprotected) for the #3 pick? Tough call, but it probably would get the deal done.

That's an absolutely atrocious deal for the Wizards.

This draft is terrible. 4 of the top 5 college freshmen in the country opted out. They'd get a better player in the 10-12 range next year than they would at #3 this year.
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Post#222 » by TGW » Wed May 18, 2011 5:08 am

Markieff at #6? Naw...maybe Marcus but not Markieff. Although I wouldn't be mad if we got the Morris twins with our picks.
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Post#223 » by Dark Faze » Wed May 18, 2011 5:21 am

Yeah the Wiz have a great chance at a top 3 pick next year again. You could potentially trade the 4th overall next year and end up with Barnes and Sullinger in a single draft.

The problem is that there could be a sophmore limit...this REALLY sucks because we could end up with another awful draft. This really sucks right now.
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Post#224 » by arterimal » Wed May 18, 2011 6:49 am

Black Eyed Sooz wrote:
The one thing he said that makes sense is that the Wiz will probably think about using that #18 to move up from #6 as people have been talking about in this thread. I think it will probably not be enough. I would be love to throw Blatche in if that would help, but I'm not real optimistic about that.

The real question is- are we willing to do, say, Wiz #6 pick this year + 2012 1st round pick (unprotected) for the #3 pick? Tough call, but it probably would get the deal done.


Aim higher, both our picks and andray blatche to Minn for the #2 - Derrick Williams.
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Post#225 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Wed May 18, 2011 6:54 am

I'm warming up to the idea of Bismack. I see him being like Serge Ibaka minus the jump shot. And yes, this comparison is most likely because they are both African and have cool sounding names.

I would love to take up his agent's offer on proving young (or old) Bismack's age.
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Post#226 » by spaceman_E » Wed May 18, 2011 7:50 am

Toronto could easily take Biyombo at 5 if he shows well in workouts. Barring a trade, Thompson, Bismack and Burks would be on my short list for now
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Post#227 » by Hoopalotta » Wed May 18, 2011 8:22 am

nate33 wrote:In general, I think SevernHoos had it right. Be patient. No trades until draft day. See who falls to us. If Kanter isn't available, try and trade up or trade down. If that doesn't pan out, go ahead and take Biyombo.

But if we draft Biyombo, we should try and move Seraphin. Ideally, we trade Seraphin for a pick high enough to grab Leonard or Singleton, or maybe Marcus Morris (if he projects as a SF).


Probably Biyombo stays another year in Spain unless the CBA is worked out early, so I could see just working on Seraphin next year as a showcase type operation. I'm in on a stash pick, but Ernie's probably thinking he's getting fired without productivity out of this draft.

As to the Beasley thing - I mean, there's a lot of points against it from multiple angles, bit I don't understand how those who want him are overlooking the point that he's got just one more year on his contract. One stinking year. What's the end game here?

For trade ups - the value is going to be real hard to 'canoiter.

I love the "lets throw in the 18th and 34th picks in conjunction with our crappy 6th and get a difference maker" plans, but our trade partners would need to be exceptionally befuddled. Blatche doesn't strike me as being particularly viable bait unless maybe a contract is coming back to us, but I don't know what would work. The CBA situation works counter to BOYD opportunities due to the uncertainty of the cap (we might not have any space) and the teams above us don't look likely dumpers. McGee is WAAAAAAY too much to give up, Booker and Seraphin not enough even if packaged with picks. Crawford is a possibility, but he's a pig-in-a-poke as far as perceptions of value and it seems like featuring him in the glorious unveiling of our new star-spangled-spankiness precludes the likelihood of a "dear john" letter so early in the courting. Maybe moving up possible, but I'm seeing slim odds in finding something.

Trade backs look more workable, though you can't be all in there, needing to at least appear to be willing to just go ahead and use the 6th pick, which I think we are.

Well.....as to ideas, I can't say I'd endorse it exactly as Wes had an outright turrible rookie year, but I wonder if we could get Wes Johnson AND the 20th from Minnesota for the 6th and then use the 18th and 20th to trade up into the late lottery? It's probably a bad idea, but if Wes was undercut by a lack of point-play amidst the general Minnesotan morass more than anything and we stumbled into "the inexplicably talented slipper" in the late lottery, it could be interesting. However, Wes is about to be 24 or whatever, so that diminishes things with him.
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Post#228 » by dangermouse » Wed May 18, 2011 8:32 am

Any good youtube footage of Kahwi Leonard? Not that i want him at 6, but if he could really become a defensive stopper at SF for us, maybe we can trade down a few spots?
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Post#229 » by Illuminaire » Wed May 18, 2011 10:06 am

I think we can all agree.... if Grunfeld comes out of this mess with a good player, he gets a shrine thread. A real one, like Rico has in his closet at home.
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Post#230 » by verbal8 » Wed May 18, 2011 11:27 am

Severn Hoos wrote:1. OK, first rule for Ernie is: DON"T TRADE THE PICK BEFORE DRAFT DAY!!!! Please, no repeats of the Miller or Jamison trades. Not even that the trade itself was so bad (it was), but that it shut the door on that possibility that an unexpected player slips, or that another team gets desperate for a guy and overpays. So hold the pick at least until after the 5th selection is made on Draft Day.

I agree 100%.

Severn Hoos wrote:2. Then, wait and see what happens. I agree with the posters who say that it's at least possible that Kanter is the slider from this year's draft. (Not likely if Irving goes #1 as the Cavs will probably take Kanter at #4, but again - that's why you hold on to the pick!)

3. Call the Cavs and see what it would take to swap #6 and #4, provided that Kanter is there at #4. I wouldn't give up the #18, but maybe there's something we could do - possible absorb a contract? Future protected 1st?

I think Biyombo has to be available for the Cavs to give up Kanter. Or maybe Jonas V reminds them of big Z.

Severn Hoos wrote:4. If Kemba and/or Knight is available, open the phone lines and see what a team in the back half of the Lottery will offer. Suns might be the most likely partner - to draft Nash's replacement. Use the pick in the tradeback to draft Singleton. (But what could they offer? Gortat? Lopez? Don't think they'd do that...)

If the Suns really liked the PG available, they might deal Lopez and Warrick with the 13th pick. I think Gortat and Lopez are a little redundant and Lopez was a little disappointing last season. I don't think the 6th pick for Lopez would be terrible. A sign of how much the draft drops off after the top 3.

Severn Hoos wrote:5. Try to make a deal for a young starting-caliber (or potential) player. Wes Johnson is definitely a possibility I'd entertain (seriously, we'd take him in a heartbeat at #6 if he was in this draft), and I still believe enough in Evan Turner to consider him in that scenario as well. Batum has been mentioned (though upcoming contract could be an issue).

I think this may be the best option. I think a lot of decent players would be available if the pick is between Walker and Knight.


6. Swing for the fences with Biyombo. Why not? What have you got to lose?

I think this is the best option for the Wizards using the pick.

7. Take the Aunt BEA approach - Best Euro Available. Not a fan of this approach.

Jonas V wouldn't be terrible, he seems like a high-risk, high reward pick. If Biyombo is gone and Kanter didn't slide he would probably have the most upside for the Wizards of the available players.

Motiejunas(no D) and Vesely(terrible shooting) seem like bad fits for the Wizards even if they pan out.
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Post#231 » by LyricalRico » Wed May 18, 2011 11:44 am

Plucked this from the lottery thread.

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nate33 wrote:I'd take Biyombo if he's there at #6 and then try and trade Seraphin for a pick high enough to grab Leonard or Singleton. Grab a shooter like Klay Thompson at #18.

PG Wall/Crawford
SG Young/Thompson
SF Lewis/Leonard
PF Booker/Blatche
C McGee/Biyombo

Blatche plays with the 2nd unit to provide some offense. I'd hire Dave Hopla to teach everyone how to shoot.

It's pretty hard for me to imagine that another team would give us a pick high enough to select Leonard or Singleton in return for Seraphin.


Agreed. It's also hard to imagine Blatche going quietly to the bench. I say take Biyombo and Singleton, then deal Blatche+Seraphin+2nd for a veteran. Louis Scola anyone?

McGee/Biyombo (assuming he comes over)
Scola/Booker
Lewis/Singleton
Young/Crawford
Wall/Crawford (or FA)
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Post#232 » by verbal8 » Wed May 18, 2011 11:58 am

LyricalRico wrote: I say take Biyombo and Singleton, then deal Blatche+Seraphin+2nd for a veteran. Louis Scola anyone?

McGee/Biyombo (assuming he comes over)
Scola/Booker
Lewis/Singleton
Young/Crawford
Wall/Crawford (or FA)


That looks a lot like the Sixers roster to me. Wall next year might be better than Iggy, but I don't see much more elite talent on that team. Although Scola and Young are probably good enough with an improved Wall and McGee to keep the team out of the bottom of the lottery.
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Post#233 » by LyricalRico » Wed May 18, 2011 12:02 pm

^ Interesting comparison, but the Wiz would still be better IMO.

McGee > Hawes
Scola > Brand
Lewis < Iggy
Young = Turner (assuming he improves some)
Wall > Holiday

And our bench has some serious defenders on it. Assuming we aren't able to trade up in the draft, I'm not sure we'd be able to do a whole lot better than that (or something very similar).
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Post#234 » by verbal8 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:05 pm

The sixth pick is definitely one of the most interesting picks to speculate about. I think the top 6 players are Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, Walker and Bismack. If Walker and Knight get picked in the top 5, the Wizards would do pretty well taking the best available from that group. If Walker or Knight is the BPA, then I think the Wizards have to make a move.
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Post#235 » by Wizardspride » Wed May 18, 2011 12:06 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i'd rather trade down for singleton than sell the farm for kanter. with the talent available to be drafted and our team's needs, a 3 and d SF is exactly what we need (and this draft is poor in). while our situation in the frontcourt isn't ideal, we're certainly at least average. with blatche, mcgee, booker, and seraphin we've at least got bodies to work with. who do we have for the swingman rotation? Nick Young and Shard? also, another word of defense for the "hometown boy" of jordan williams... it's notsomuch Maryland homerism as it is "american, collegiate, big conference, averaged a double-double as an underclassman"-ism. Those guys are are hard to come by and the kid averaged 20/13 per40 pace adjusted in a competitive league as a 19 year old. i dunno, color me impressed as far as 2nd round prospects go.

Jordan Williams will more than likely be 1st rd pick now.

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Post#236 » by verbal8 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:10 pm

Is Nikola Mirotic in the draft this year?
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Post#237 » by Ruzious » Wed May 18, 2011 12:17 pm

verbal8 wrote:The sixth pick is definitely one of the most interesting picks to speculate about. I think the top 6 players are Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, Walker and Bismack. If Walker and Knight get picked in the top 5, the Wizards would do pretty well taking the best available from that group. If Walker or Knight is the BPA, then I think the Wizards have to make a move.

I agree with that analysis.

Put me in the camp to trade up for Kanter - even if it sounds like over-paying. I think someone else mentioned Utah as the team to trade with - I concur. They might consider Kanter to be superfluous due to similarities to Jefferson, and maybe they're foolish enough to see Vesely as an heir apparent to AK47.
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Post#238 » by closg00 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:20 pm

Ford says:

I'm already hearing from sources that Minnesota has told people it's very open to moving the second pick. Kahn really wants to add some veteran help to the team.


That should make for some intrigue on draft night.

What do Utah and the Raps do, go big or small? Right now, I just don't want Vasely.
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Post#239 » by verbal8 » Wed May 18, 2011 12:31 pm

closg00 wrote:Ford says:

I'm already hearing from sources that Minnesota has told people it's very open to moving the second pick. Kahn really wants to add some veteran help to the team.


That should make for some intrigue on draft night.

What do Utah and the Raps do, go big or small? Right now, I just don't want Vasely.


I think the Raptors should go for a PG. Either Knight or Walker should be available. That also would make Kanter or Bismack available to the Wizards :)
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Post#240 » by Zonkerbl » Wed May 18, 2011 12:37 pm

Wow, didn't I say earlier in this thread that this is not a bad draft to pick #6 in? Whoops. I'm a little relieved we can't pick Kanter now because I'm still a little nervous about him.

Yeah, here we go. This is right where you want to be in a draft like this. Time to get creative. Don't diss the Euros, they're getting better and better.
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