Slather me, Lather me, Blather me - 2011 Draft Thread 5

[Rafael122]

Apparently JV had a secret meeting with the Cavs on Tuesday so there's still hope...who knows...if Kanter drops to 6....that'd be nice wouldn't it?

[theboomking]

Apparently JV had a secret meeting with the Cavs on Tuesday so there's still hope...who knows...if Kanter drops to 6....that'd be nice wouldn't it?

I think the real key now is the Jazz. My guess is that they will take Kanter and force us to make a trade offer if we want him. That's what I'd do.

[Rafael122]

Apparently JV had a secret meeting with the Cavs on Tuesday so there's still hope...who knows...if Kanter drops to 6....that'd be nice wouldn't it?

I think the real key now is the Jazz. My guess is that they will take Kanter and force us to make a trade offer if we want him. That's what I'd do.

Just trade the 6th and 18th for the #3, and then try and buy a pick later in the first round. If you can do that, why not do it. Don't pussyfoot around!

[mhd]

If Utah takes Kanter, than Milsapp is clearly expendable. They also want Jimmer, who likely goes 7 to the Kings.

What about Lewis for Okur+Milsapp and and swap of 6 and 12?

[theboomking]

Apparently JV had a secret meeting with the Cavs on Tuesday so there's still hope...who knows...if Kanter drops to 6....that'd be nice wouldn't it?

I think the real key now is the Jazz. My guess is that they will take Kanter and force us to make a trade offer if we want him. That's what I'd do.

Just trade the 6th and 18th for the #3, and then try and buy a pick later in the first round. If you can do that, why not do it. Don't pussyfoot around!

I think the 3rd pick is going to cost more than that, and I think it is worth it. You can bet that Wall is in EG's ear about getting Kanter. Wall said we should consider Kanter with the 1st pick overall if we won the draft lotto, and Kanter is openly campaigning to come here and play with Wall.

[Wizardspride]

If Utah takes Kanter, than Milsapp is clearly expendable. They also want Jimmer, who likely goes 7 to the Kings.

What about Lewis for Okur+Milsapp and and swap of 6 and 12?

I don't like that proposal.


Assuming we can't trade up to #3, I'd prefer to just stay at six and pick the BPA.



Edit: Am I the only one who isn't desperate to have Kanter?

[no D in Hibachi]

Also, watching NBATV last night, I saw an interview with Jeremy Tyler. As much of a reputation as he has as a knucklehead, Tyler seemed very well spoken, articulate, and mature, much more so that JaVale, Andray, and NY.

Unnamed NBA Scout per CNNSI Seth Davis:
Jeremy Tyler, 6-11 center. We're all over the board on him. I watched him when he was in the ninth grade and he was just destroying people. When you sit down and talk with the kid, he's very impressive, but then during our workout he got pushed around and his immaturity came out. He's very raw offensively, but he looks like Shawn Kemp sometimes when he's running and jumping. He could be like a Jamaal Magloire, but I don't know if he's even that good. He can't shoot at all.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/06/22/draft.prospects/index.html#ixzz1Q6cA8Oop

[Ruzious]

Also, watching NBATV last night, I saw an interview with Jeremy Tyler. As much of a reputation as he has as a knucklehead, Tyler seemed very well spoken, articulate, and mature, much more so that JaVale, Andray, and NY. Given his obvious physical talents and age, I think he is worth a pick in the late teens or twenties. He's 6'10.5" in shoes, 262 pounds, 7'5" wingspan, 9'2.5" standing reach. Those are legit center measurements. His max vert, sprint and agility testing were also excellent. He reminds me of a poor man's Bynum. If a pick in the late teens or twenties doesn't pan out, it's no big deal. If you hit on a legitimate center in that range, you have scored a major coup.

A lot of flops talk the talk but then don't walk the walk. I've only seen short clips of him, but I wasn't impressed. He's nowhere near as functionally strong as Bynum. I saw a player who needs to be much more focused and aggressive to play in the NBA - a major project.

[Zonkerbl]

When's the last time a player like McGee (thin shotblocker without even 3rd option-level offense, average to somewhat above-average rebounding, and off-the-charts athleticism) won a title as a major piece, even without the immaturity of McGee?

Guys like Camby and Chandler haven't won even at their best. The Spurs and Celtics won titles with not a run&jump athulete among the bunch.

I think Biyombo's skillset is closer to championship-level, because he projects an elite rebounder who has a really good defensive IQ, even though he also projects to be a self-check on O (though McGee isn't much better, sure he's efficient and has a high ORTG, but that's because of his low usage).

When's the last time a player like Williams (tweener forward with suspect defense, average rebounding and solid athleticism for a PF) won a title as a major piece?

Guys like David West and Antawn Jamison haven't won squat even at their best. The Spurs, Celtics and Lakers won titles largely due to their low post defense.

Look, here's why. Defense is just as important as offense for winning. However, defense is not measured very well in the NBA and therefore it is undervalued. Therefore, you will always get more basketball value per dollar spent when you spend it on defense. Antawn Jamison is the prime example of that, here is a guy whose offense is worth fifty cents and defense is worth nothing, yet he gets paid like a fifty cent player. Brendan Haywood, with fifty cents of defense and zero offense, gets paid like a twenty five cent player. Dollar for dollar, you're better off with Brendan Haywood than Antawn Jamison. Because, if you have Brendan on your team, you can afford to pay somebody else. Not the case if you have Antawn.

If Williams is just Antawn Jamison redux (which I doubt, by the way), then you'd be better off with the Javale McGee of the last month of last season.

I think Williams will have the lower body strength to keep people from backing him down. Yes, PFs will be able to shoot over him, but that's what you want. What you don't want is him getting backed down under the basket and getting dunked on. Personally I think Williams will be a perfectly serviceable defender. Williams may be the same size as Antawn but I get the sense that he is a lot stronger. We'll see I guess.

[Severn Hoos]

So let's see if I have this straight.

When nate had his boring "Draft Thread V" title, it was looking increasingly likely that we'd do a simple trade-up to get Kanter.

Then, after the board pressured him to change it (or did someone else change it for him?), all reports point to us taking Vesely.



Just sayin'.

[Ruzious]

I don't think it's quite as dire. We've got a 50/50 shot at Kanter. It all boils down to what Utah does. Do they take Kanter or Knight? If they take Knight, a tradeup to Cleveland's #4 pick seems pretty doable.

Our chances are far smaller than that. At this point, I'm more focused on hoping we get Jonas.

[jangles86]

id rather have Jan Brady than Jan Vesley

Why would we want Vesley again ? If his main NBA skill is taking it to the hoop to dunk, don't we already have McGee ?

McGee hasn't put it on the floor a ton taking it for dunks but he has shown that skill and I only expect that to get better. He can do the same one dribble from the perimeter and finish with the monster dunk.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xuhlb9VRBQ[/youtube]

Dunks 6 and 3 he put it on the floor.

If we are getting a SF, I want it to be more of a all around Marcus type who can shoot from the outside or a Harris type. I say Jan would be a mistake of a pick. We have other bigger needs.

That number3 dunk was awesome. He took the ball nearly a foot above Josh Smiths hand!! If he can gain some sort of control in the post Javale is going to be a freak Centre.

Asfor Nick Young I really want to keep him, his D is average, but it isnt bad at all. His shot and one on one play is just money everytime. I would hate to see him leave after all the hard work he and the team have put into his career.

I just want to see the Wiz draft someone who is an extremely strong perimeter defender, and another forward who is strong and hungry to rebound and do the dirty things.

The wizards are going to improve no matter what next year if we can keep Wall, Young, Mcgee, Crawford together. That is is as good as ayoung core in the league. If we can add another young stud the future is very bright.

[no D in Hibachi]

Yoni-G's final mock on Yahoo looks like what I was thinking (and of course what I was thinking is basically just based on rumors anyway, so, ya' know, that figures):

We're taking Vesley and Donnie Mountjoy according to him.

Not only that, but:

Vesely appears to have received assurances from the Wizards that he’s indeed the pick, according to reports from NBA teams who have spoken with his camp. With the team’s other top options, Valanciunas and Kanter, off the board, this makes plenty of sense, even if Kawhi Leonard did draw some looks here as well.

If Valanciunas somehow slips past Utah, Cleveland and Toronto, the Wizards’ front office is high on his services. Still, it would be difficult for owner Ted Leonsis to sign off on having to wait on Valanciunas for another season, which is an edge for Vesely.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cn-8686843

Needless to say that if you told me last year that this would be the haul after a year of hard-tanking, I'd have been most uproarious, cantankerous and pugnacious, but I can live with it as things stand now after having slowly been conditioned to the realization that we're more or less SCREWED. Well, I can live with it so long as David Aldridge is wrong and we're projecting him as a small forward with the expectation that that's his slot. Javale and Vesley in the interior together? All I can say is, "Mommy, make it stop."

I remember about 6 months ago when an article came out on WT where Vesley declared he was going to enter the draft and expected to be a top five picked. I fuggin laughed my head off at the notion a team would make such a questionable high pick. It's funny because I literally laughed out loud last year when the TWolves picked Trevor Booker...When I snicker at things which appear to be completely idiotic it generally tends to come back to bite me! Quick someone post a ridiculous trade where the Wiz end up with Dwight Howard we'll see who gets the last laugh, Orlando!

[TGW]

This draft is going to suck balls.

Vesely...

Why doesn't Grunfeld ever do anything other than stay pat and take his "BPA"? The guy is so boxed-in with his approach to drafts. He needs to think outside the box and take a risk every now and then. Everything is so safe with the guy. Never tries to move up, but he'll trade a lotto pick for Mike Miller. I don't get it.

[Hoopalotta]

I also think Williams "was the same size as Blake Griffin" because he'd been hitting the Pork-Pies when measured. You shave his body fat down to 7-8% and he's the same size as Michael Beasely.

So if Williams is at the same weight as Blake, but 2% higher body fat, with comparable sprint and agility times, and better vertical, max vert reach, and standing reach, he is much to fat and compares to a fatter michael beasly? Williams makes most of his hay in the post, using his strength, length and quickness to score and draw fouls. Beasley is a perimeter player. I'm not saying Williams will be as good as Blake Griffin. Just that concerns about Derrick's size are overblown.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we're going to wake up and Williams is shooting from 20 feet on 75% of his possessions or anything. I do expect that longer defenders will push him out there a bit, but that's not unusual.

With Beasley, though, I'm saying more in terms of an overall physical presence. We could pick someone else as a comparison, but I definitely don't see Williams as an overwhelming tornado pulling down 12 boards or overawing as a help defender. Like I said, I'm expecting average in that you're not going to put out a list and have 18 starting power forwards who are surpassed by Williams in the rebounding and defensive areas.

Apparently JV had a secret meeting with the Cavs on Tuesday so there's still hope...who knows...if Kanter drops to 6....that'd be nice wouldn't it?

I think the real key now is the Jazz. My guess is that they will take Kanter and force us to make a trade offer if we want him. That's what I'd do.

I agree, though I'm expecting that our offers come up short and that the Jazz see Kanter as a nice complement to Favors. Mike Lee also reported that we weren't talking to the Jazz, though I'm not sure if that's true. The big thing is we can't offer them Knight in a tradeback as Toronto will take him.

If I were the Jazz and Jonas didn't fall, I'd tell Ernie and the 18th pick to take a hike and just select Kanter (well, assuming I didn't want Jonas at 3).

[jangles86]

Plus from what Nick Young has had to endure in his life, he is a fighter and has a massive heart and will....this kid will improve even more in 2012.

[Rafael122]

Chad Ford's latest mock:

#6 - Vesely
#18 - Alec Burks
#34 - Jordan Williams

[Jay81]

Mike Wise who thinks he knows basketball but dosent says we should take Jan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... ory_1.html

[nate33]

I'm just not so convinced as everybody else in how the draft is going to shake out. Everyone is planting rumors right now. Utah has an interest in making everyone believe they want Kanter so they can work out a trade. Washington has an interest in making everyone believe they love Vesely so they don't look desperate for Kanter. Cleveland may be trying to pump up Valanciunas' value in order to trade him.

[Jay81]

Chad Ford's latest mock:

#6 - Vesely
#18 - Alec Burks
#34 - Jordan Williams

18 and 34 arent the worst picks ever