2012 NBA Draft Lottery

7-Day Dray · Post #221 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:34 am

80sballboy wrote:Wonder if it's karma for tanking.

What? If anything, NO tanked more than us. We won 6 straight games to end the year and brought Nene back, while NO rested Gordon for like 4 games for no reason when he came back.

AFM · Post #222 » by **AFM** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:34 am

Gentlemen,
Long time lurker, first time poster...

On the bright side this simplifies our decision next month a bit. Assuming CHA doesn't go crazy and take Drummond. (This guy did draft Kwame)

7-Day Dray · Post #223 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:34 am

I think we should take Drummond or Barnes. Many will disagree though.

closg00 · Post #224 » by **closg00** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:36 am

DX has us taking MKG in their new mock.

80sballboy · Post #225 » by **80sballboy** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:39 am

Barnes reminds me a little of Calbert Cheaney. Can't create his own shot but more of a pure shooter. I just don't like his mild-mannered temperament. MKG is a go-getter. I think he has great upside. I just wish Beal was 6-6 but he might be safest pick.

closg00 · Post #226 » by **closg00** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:40 am

7-Day Dray wrote:I think we should take Drummond or Barnes. Many will disagree though.

Ernie may just do that (take Barnes)

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #227 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:40 am

The Consiglieri wrote:1. New Orleans
2. Charlotte
3. Washington

Im trying not to be too cynical.

We have a winner!

Post #228 » by **Rafael122** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:40 am

Kidd-Gilchrist is a Michael Jordan pick.

DCZards · Post #229 » by **DCZards** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:41 am

Conspiracy theories are crazy...don't drink that kook-aid unless you have proof.

Tyrone Messby · Post #230 » by **Tyrone Messby** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:42 am

We better take Beal and make a splash in free agency. I want to see this team play in May.

REDardWIZskin · Post #231 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:43 am

Ima take a page from CCJ and say that I told you so, About The hornets winning the lottery

... Shout out to CCJ

BruceO · Post #232 » by **BruceO** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:43 am

Oh well. Not the end of the world we'll still get a good player. I feel more bad for charlotte..who can they pick that will make their fans happy? Jordan will be too scared to pick drummond cause of the kwame thing. Anyway we get the second best player in the list of drummond, Robinson,Beal, MKG, perry jones, Barnes etc...

80sballboy · Post #233 » by **80sballboy** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:46 am

Chad Ford on Beal

Beal has the chance to go somewhere between No. 2 and No. 5 on draft night. He didn't have the greatest season for a freshman, but most NBA scouts were sold on him in high school and didn't see anything this season to scare them away.

Beal already has a NBA body, is an excellent athlete and can do just about everything on the floor. He can handle the ball, get to the basket, shoot the 3 with NBA range and he can even play point guard in a pinch.

What surprised a lot of scouts this season is how good of a rebounder Beal is. Beal averaged 6.7 rebounds per game this season despite measuring 6-foot-4 in shoes. There were guards in college basketball who rebounded better than he did (Rian Pearson of Toledo is the same size and averaged over 8 rpg), but none of them have the complete game of Beal.

The only real concern scouts have about Beal is his depressed shooting numbers from this season. Billed as a lights out, Ray Allen-type shooter coming out of his school, Beal shot just 34 percent from 3 this season. Some scouts attribute that to Beal playing out of position all season and never really getting much in the way of spot up 3s. Others believe it's a fluke. However, if Beal isn't as good of a shooter as he's been billed, his value in the league will go down.

We currently have Beal ranked No. 3 in our Top 100 and going No. 5 to the Toronto Raptors in our latest mock draft.

The most interesting question for teams drafting in the top 5 will be whether to take Beal or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist if both are on the board. Kidd-Gilchrist is a better, more versatile defender, is bigger, has a better motor and may be the best finisher at the basket in college basketball. Beal is a much smoother offensive player and can play both positions in the backcourt.

The teams that will be looking at both of them at the top of the draft if they don't get the No. 1 pick -- the Charlotte Bobcats, Washington Wizards, Toronto Raptors and Cleveland Cavaliers -- will have a tough call. I spoke with sources inside all four teams and I think right now MKG has the edge in Charlotte and Toronto. The Cavs sound like Beal may have the slight edge. I think the Wizards are still trying to figure this out, though we have them selecting Kidd-Gilchrist in our mock. If the two agree to workout against each other, it should be epic.

barelyawake · Post #234 » by **barelyawake** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:46 am

Everyone who thinks we are one undersized shooting guard away from a championship raise your hand.

Ok, so why take Beal rather than trade the pick (plus young players, plus future picks) for an actual star in the NBA?

The Consiglieri · Post #235 » by **The Consiglieri** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:48 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:Well NO did have a 14% chance of winning... just sayin

Yep

1 in 4 chance for Charlotte

1 in 5 for us

1 in 6 or so for Cleveland

1 in 7 for New Orleans

The problem is that year after year, the #1 rarely gets it, unless its a good story, year after year, 1% type scenarios seem to happen for markets in need of guys, and then storylines like Cleveland being dumped by Lebron, Abe dying and us getting the pick, Jordan getting us the pick in '01, Rose ending up in his basic hometown etc. It just makes it so bloody suspicious. People were calling this for the past 8 months for a reason, i dont believe it was fixed because Davis was worth boatloads of cash to whatever crummy franchise got the #1, but good lord, can they stop making themselves look shady as hell and corrupt to the marrow?

Benjammin · Post #236 » by **Benjammin** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:49 am

barelyawake wrote:Everyone who thinks we are one undersized shooting guard away from a championship raise your hand.

Ok, so why take Beal rather than trade the pick (plus young players, plus future picks) for an actual star in the NBA?

That's fine. I like that plan. Which "actual star" do you think could be gotten for the third pick in this draft? Probably not an "actual" star, unfortunately.

80sballboy · Post #237 » by **80sballboy** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:49 am

barelyawake wrote:Everyone who thinks we are one undersized shooting guard away from a championship raise your hand.

Ok, so why take Beal rather than trade the pick (plus young players, plus future picks) for an actual star in the NBA?

Ted won't do that. He always talks about the Oklahoma City model but you have to get lucky to have Portland picking ahead of you and to have an astute GM. We don't have that so get ready for Beal, MGK or Barnes. We don't need Robinson or Drummond.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #238 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:51 am

The Consiglieri wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Well NO did have a 14% chance of winning... just sayin

Yep

1 in 4 chance for Charlotte

1 in 5 for us

1 in 6 or so for Cleveland

1 in 7 for New Orleans

The problem is that year after year, the #1 rarely gets it, unless its a good story, year after year, 1% type scenarios seem to happen for markets in need of guys, and then storylines like Cleveland being dumped by Lebron, Abe dying and us getting the pick, Jordan getting us the pick in '01, Rose ending up in his basic hometown etc. It just makes it so bloody suspicious. People were calling this for the past 8 months for a reason, i dont believe it was fixed because Davis was worth boatloads of cash to whatever crummy franchise got the #1, but good lord, can they stop making themselves look shady as hell and corrupt to the marrow?

It looks shady as all heck now. No other way to see it except for how it looks, Consiglieri.

The Consiglieri · Post #239 » by **The Consiglieri** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:51 am

hands11 wrote:
Tyrone Messby wrote:I really want to give up on the NBA, I feel like a battered spouse. It's so clear something is wrong with this league, but I keep coming back.

We didnt get hosed. We got third. We could have ended up worse.

In the end, that's how I felt too. I wanted a top 4 pick, preferably a top 3, and I'd be happy with top 3. So I am. If we couldn't get 1, 2 or 3 would be fine.

REDardWIZskin · Post #240 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:51 am

Rafael122 wrote:Kidd-Gilchrist is a Michael Jordan pick.

+1000000000000000000