GT: Wizards @ Spurs - 11/13/13 - 8:30 PM

[FAH1223]

SA doesn't ever really need a true PG.

Parker had 1 assist. The team had 28. Parker could just drive and score and the offense still works.

SA generate looks with a team offense. Manu can even start the offense.

Pop endlessly schools them and how to run these read option plays and everyone on the team can run them.

Duncan was 1/12... just think about that too.

This is why I think they're the best team in the NBA and I really believe they're going to win it all this June.

[dangermouse]

If Nene showed a lick of effort we might stand a chance of winning some games.

[nuposse04]

I find it hilarious Nene called out the young guys. His defensive effort wasn't great either. That being said it was clear as day in the 3rd quarter Wall was gassed and just forcing bad shots. Randy should have given him 2 mins or so to rest...I just hope Maynor is benched for a while.

[hands11]

SA doesn't ever really need a true PG.

Parker had 1 assist. The team had 28. Parker could just drive and score and the offense still works.

SA generate looks with a team offense. Manu can even start the offense.

Pop endlessly schools them and how to run these read option plays and everyone on the team can run them.

Duncan was 1/12... just think about that too.

This is why I think they're the best team in the NBA and I really believe they're going to win it all this June.

That have been a monster of a franchise for many years for sure.

Hey, I know it would be a tough start to the year. It could end up being a mess of a year, but its still to early to say much. So rotations aside, lets take a big picture view for a sec.

We just played 2 home games and 6 road games. Their record 2-6.

Road Games

Miami.
OKC took them into OT lost by 1
SA
Dallas
DET - first game of the year
PHY - they won this one

Well that is 3 title caliber teams. MIA won the last 2 years. SA was one shot away last year and a model franchise with the best coach in the league. OKC is right up there and has KD and we almost beat them. Dallas actually has a nice team and still has Dirk.

Lost one at home they should have won but made up for it in Philly and won one against BRK - who has a pretty loaded team that is off to a slow start.

Now add its the start of the year and they were bad on the road last year, and they lost Okafor late and added Gortat who play zero preseason games with them. They had to learn on the fly.

Really nothing to panic over. Next two games are at home against CLE and MN
Glen, Ves and Temple finally got some burn which is good. The team need energy players.
I think Temple is going to replace Maynor as first PG off the bench.
Ves as first forward off the bench
Wesbter might get moved to the starting line up.
Wall just started to show last game he could actually run a pick and roll which add more sets.

I think Randy made a mistake playing to much AH and Manyor and its hurting the defense. They should be used as more end of the bench vets to help on court at time, in the locker room and help the team grow, not core every night pieces. Temple will help the defense. Wall and Beal feed off Websters being Webster. They just have a thing I don't think they have with Trevor A. Maybe Trevor A was starting as trade bait. I can't address their longer term strategy. I thought when they inked Webby, he was the starter.

Its early. Lets see what they do as Randy figures out how to mix the line ups and they play a few more home games. Sadly they might have lost Trevor A for a few games and as I said, Randy tend to discover line ups when forced to instead of proactively while he has all his options. He isn't Pops. We know that.

Its not a perfect roster but there is are better ways to use it than Randy has been. I'm sure of that. At least he is finally getting past his first options, just like he had to do last year.

There may be a time to hit the panic button, but its not yet just based on their home and away schedule.

[hands11]

I find it hilarious Nene called out the young guys. His defensive effort wasn't great either. That being said it was clear as day in the 3rd quarter Wall was gassed and just forcing bad shots. Randy should have given him 2 mins or so to rest...I just hope Maynor is benched for a while.

I think that might be the case.

Wall/Temple/Maynor
Beal/Glen
Webster/Trevor A

They have until Saturday for Trevor A to get well enough to play off the bench.

I still think they might benefit from a guard and SF rotation like this.

This team would have really benefit from pick up D Blair instead of Kevin or Booker

[B-easy]

I can tell already, the "trade wall" talk is going to start up again if he continues his poor play.

[Hypnotizer]

That have been a monster of a franchise for many years for sure.

Hey, I know it would be a tough start to the year. It could end up being a mess of a year, but its still to early to say much. So rotations and who they played aside, lets take a big picture view for a sec.

We just played 2 homes games and 6 road games. Their record 2-6.

Road Games

Miami.
OKC took them into OT lost by 1
SA
Dallas
DET - first game of the year
PHY - they won this one

Well that is 3 title caliber teams. MIA won the last 2 years. SA was one shot away last year and a model franchise with the best coach in the league. OKC is right up there and has KD and we almost beat them. Dallas actually has a nice team and still has Dirk.

Lost one at home they should have won but made up for it in Philly and won one against BRK - who has a pretty loaded team that if off to a slow start.

Now add its the start of the year and they were bad on the road last year, and they lost Okafor late and added Gortat who play zero preseason games with them. They had to learn on the fly.

You're absolutely right, but it's still good opportunity to fire Wittman. The right place and the right moment.

[Hypnotizer]

I find it hilarious Nene called out the young guys. His defensive effort wasn't great either. That being said it was clear as day in the 3rd quarter Wall was gassed and just forcing bad shots. Randy should have given him 2 mins or so to rest...I just hope Maynor is benched for a while.

I think that might be the case.

Wall/Temple/Maynor
Beal/Glen
Webster/Trevor A

They have until Saturday for Trevor A to get well enough to play off the bench.

I still think they might benefit from a guard and SF rotation like this.

This team would have really benefit from pick up D Blair instead of Kevin or Booker

I think we could try starting line-up like this:
Wall
Beal
Ariza
Webster
Gortat

Ariza is good defender and we need him in 1st unit, while Webster is 3-point shooter PF and this gives Gortat more space for p&r with Wall or Beal.

[hands11]

I find it hilarious Nene called out the young guys. His defensive effort wasn't great either. That being said it was clear as day in the 3rd quarter Wall was gassed and just forcing bad shots. Randy should have given him 2 mins or so to rest...I just hope Maynor is benched for a while.

I think that might be the case.

Wall/Temple/Maynor
Beal/Glen
Webster/Trevor A

They have until Saturday for Trevor A to get well enough to play off the bench.

I still think they might benefit from a guard and SF rotation like this.

This team would have really benefit from pick up D Blair instead of Kevin or Booker

I think we could try starting line-up like this:
Wall
Beal
Ariza
Webster
Gortat

Ariza is good defender and we need him in 1st unit, while Webster is 3-point shooter PF and this gives Gortat more space for p&r with Wall or Beal.

Could always do that. But once you move Nene to the bench, there are lots of line ups you can do. I just don't think Randy thinks that big so I didn't list those here. I have in the past in the line ups thread though. That was what I thought they would do before they picked up Gortat, but with Nene at center. So yeah. They could do that.

But with Trevor A off a hammy, I would think he comes off the bench.

So if you do the above, whats you second line look like ?

[Hypnotizer]

Could always do that. But once you move Nene to the bench, there are lots of line ups you can do. I just don't think Randy thinks that big so I didn't list those here. I have in the past in the line ups thread though. That was what I thought they would do before they picked up Gortat, but with Nene at center. So yeah. They could do that.

But with Trevor A off a hammy, I would think he comes off the bench.

So if you do the above, whats you second line look like ?

How serious is Trevor's injury?

No doubt Nene is crucial in that case. So we could play with:
Temple (Shame we lost Kendall Marshall and Shannon Brown just after the trade)
Maynor
Rice
Vesely/Porter
Nene/Harrington

Hard to choose, this roster isn't good at all. Hope Porter can be healthy soon. I still don't know much about Glen, Garrett or Jan. They are new too me as Randy didn't give them enough minutes.

[FreeBalling]

I can tell already, the "trade wall" talk is going to start up again if he continues his poor play.

Trade our MAX player? Wall is not playing up to his contract and his trade value is very low at this moment.

I can only HOPE Wall will improve with time. It's time for Ted to let EG go.


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[Knighthonor]

Forget the starters, I hope the Spurs show Teddy what a real bench looks like. Diaw, Manu, Bellinelli - all guys good enough start on a lot of teams. Even a guy like Patty Mills, why the hell didn't we at least look at him in the offseason? Spurs resigned him dirt cheap, for one year. But we had to sign Eric freaking Maynor for 2 years. Not only is Miils making half of what Maynor is this year, he's younger, quicker, and can actually shoot the ball.

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nobody wants to come here.

[noworriesinmd]

I can tell already, the "trade wall" talk is going to start up again if he continues his poor play.

Trade our MAX player? Wall is not playing up to his contract and his trade value is very low at this moment.

I can only HOPE Wall will improve with time. It's time for Ted to let EG go.


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When Nene was inked to a bad contract, I'm sure people in Denver thought they could not get rid of him. Hopefully there is another Ernie in the league....we should compile a list of terrible GMs who an average GM can take advantage of.

Disclaimer: I don't want to trade Wall

[hands11]

Wall is the only one that should be shooting the ball right now.

Gotta give the people what they want.

[hands11]

I can tell already, the "trade wall" talk is going to start up again if he continues his poor play.

Trade our MAX player? Wall is not playing up to his contract and his trade value is very low at this moment.

I can only HOPE Wall will improve with time. It's time for Ted to let EG go.


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He also isn't playing on a max contract. People need to stop repeating this lie.

The max contract doesn't kick in until next year. Wall is making 7.5M right now.

Side Note.
I liked what Orlando was putting together but had no idea how quickly they would start putting it together on the floor.

Afflalo
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... on-afflalo

Vucevic
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6478/nikola-vucevic

And they have VO and T Harris hasn't even played yet.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

But they are 4-1 at home and 0-4 on the road.

[B-easy]

Wall is the only one that should be shooting the ball right now.

Gotta give the people what they want.

LOl that was when he started off pretty well, he should have stopped after he missed a few jumpers. Instead should have went for drives.

Dude just kept shooting, looking like Irving out there.

[MikeTheKid]

IDK why ppl are so happy that CLE and MN are next on the schedule, Kyrie goes off and were in trouble and Minny looks absolutely phenomenal to start the season!!! I think were in some serious trouble and as far as Nene's comments, its just Emperor Grunfeld's culture alive and well.

[hands11]

Wall is the only one that should be shooting the ball right now.

Gotta give the people what they want.

LOl that was when he started off pretty well, he should have stopped after he missed a few jumpers. Instead should have went for drives.

Dude just kept shooting, looking like Irving out there.

Pent up shoot jacking I guess. It had been since the first two games ( loses ) since he fired up at that rate.

3 assists way terrible. 6 was his previous low.

Hero ball from John last night. Hopefully he learns. He has had a lot of off shooting night so far this year but he had been kicking out the dimes and rebounding.

[diaboliQ_Mo]

Patty Mills guy looks like EFJ n Robert shorty combined.

[WizarDynasty]

Wall's predictable uncoordinated dribbling style is the main reason this team isn't able to continously exploit defenses in the half court offense. out of control during crunch time and because his lack of elite point guard handling ability allows hte defense to easily force the offense into bad shots. If wall had elite ball control, he could easily force defenses out of position and draw perimeter shooting fouls. He is always out of control because of his lack of ball handling skills in the half court. He can't post any up because of lack of ball handling skills, he can't shoot of the pick and roll because he dribbles the ball high and slow coming around the corner, and he is always jumping in the air in stead of keeping his dribble when driving in the paint, why because of lack of elilte ball dribbling skills. Just watch how controlled paul is after getting into paint, you never see wall with any kind of control after he drives into the paint. Wall's lack of poise and ball handling skills is a key reason for the wizards woes. He is suppose to turn on his elite ability in the 4th quarter when it counts. He spends most of the game trying to sprint down court in a beeline straight to basket, jumps in the air and hopes for contact or the easy pass. He rarely is controlling the defense with poise. He is suppose to be the best player on the team, yet can't be counted on generate high percentage shots during crunch time because--- he is out of control and uncoordinated offensively with the basket in the half court. His biggest attribute was suppose to be his length, yet he doesn't even know how to use it. His biggest asset was suppose to be his quickness, yet he struggles to maintain control of the ball in the half court whenever he has to slow down.
Not holding Wall to a highest standard is the main reason why this board is failing. Wall is suppose to be the key to this team. The leader but he doesn't have elite skills for a point guard. That's the real problem.