Is Wall Top 5 PG?

[tontoz]

Your right, I should have only used bitch three times, five times was compppletelllly childish of me. Your snide remarks regarding someone's intelligence and calling someone an idiot are the quintessential examples of maturity, my apologies.

If you are going to resort to personal insults rather than basketball talk then don't complain when someone responds the same way to you.

For the record i didn't call you an idiot. I ASKED if you were an idiot or just a good impressionist.

RIF

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Lol, I get that you asked if I was, but to me it felt awfully like an implication. Did you really expect me to say have a yes or no answer?

But common let's stop this, sorry for sayin' you was bitching, my bad brosef.

[Zonkerbl]

You don't understand. Gilbert Arenas played for us. He was very, very, very, very popular while he was here. During his glory years he was averaging something ridiculous like 27 points a game, but haters were all "well yeah but his fg% sucks." Arenas took and made a lot of three pointers, which is why his fg% was low, relative to, say, Shaquille, who didn't take any threes. Once you adjusted for how many threes Arenas was taking, his eFG%, it didn't look so bad. So we've all become really sensitized to the whole fg% thing.

Judging a players worth through fg% here is basically saying you hate us and plan to loot our stores and shoot our children.

Don't know if you've been around here a long time or what but just in case you didn't know. Now you know.

[tontoz]

I actually remember Arenas coming up on a Hawks board. Someone mentioned his bad FG% as if he was an inefficient scorer, ignoring the fact that he took a lot of 3s and got to the foul line a lot.

[Kanyewest]

CP3 in the meantime with 17 points, 15 assists, and 8 rebounds.

The clippers have a better supporting cast- What say you?

I would say it is slightly better particularly in the power forward position with Griffin. Guys like Beal and Pierce are better than Reddick and Matt Barnes. I don't have a really strong opinion either way between Gortat and Jordan. Still Paul has been putting up these kind of numbers since his days in New Orleans.

Still pretty sick stats. Overall, Wall has been playing at a high level but he still needs to become more efficient scorer or lower his turnover rate to surpass Chris Paul. Wall might have the physical too set to be a better defender but Paul probably gets more respect from the officials and can get away with more crap than Wall.

[jangles86]

I think he will start in the all star game.

[nuposse04]

Per game stats in general aren't worth a whole lot. Per minute stats are good; per possession stats are even better.

Using the per 100 possessions numbers from my spreadsheet, here's where Wall ranked among the 64 PGs (as designated by basketball-reference) with at least 150 minutes (though Sunday games):

- efg -- 44th (tie)
- FGA -- 20th
- true shooting attempts -- 14th
- reb -- 15th
- ast -- 4th
- stl -- 5th
- blk -- 2nd
- tov -- 60th
- pts -- 18th

I'm pretty sure the sample size is small, but when we actually use Pierce as a stretch 4, is there a way to extrapolate where Wall stands then? Like, teague for instance has the luxury of playing with Milsap AND Horford, who really stretch the floor well for bigmen, I'm just curious if the numbers actually improve for Wall when we play Pierce at the 4.

[dckingsfan]

Wall at 5
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

Beal - uh, hmmm
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/2

Gortat - what?
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/9

[jangles86]

Wall at 5
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

Beal - uh, hmmm
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/2

Gortat - what?
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/9

...Nene

[jangles86]

Wall is leading the league in double doubles.

[Sonny Carson]

Ok guys, I admit.... I'm John Feinstein.

















lol jk. But man that guy really goes out of his way to discredit Wall's stellar play.

[hands11]

Through 21 games, here is where Wall ranks among point guards:

-1st in spg (2.14)
-1st in double-doubles (13)
-2nd in bpg (0.67)
-2nd in apg (10.4)
-5th in ppg (18.0)
-5th in mpg (35.7)
-6th in rebounds (4.9)
-13th in fg% (44.1)
-31st in ft% (77.0)

Those are some pretty impressive numbers and that doesn't even account for his defense. What is exciting to see is that he is climbing up the fg% ladder in recent weeks. He need's to get his TO's down, get his free throw shooting to at least somewhere in the eighties range, and make treys at least at the clip to where he was last year, but other than those areas, statistically, it's hard to have any complaints.

Yes... he really isn't far off and to get there he just needs to do things he has already done. He just needs to put it all together at once.

[hands11]

Wall at 5
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

Beal - uh, hmmm
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/2

Gortat - what?
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/9

...Nene

Beal was -0.61 0.08 with a total of -0.53 last year and ranked 30th
This year -0.02 -0.08 with a total of -0.10 ranked 24th

so while not elite, he is improving on a sample sample size. And he did get a late start.

[mumoy]

I'm looking at the #s and you can legitimately argue that Wall is the best PG in the league with his combination of points, rebounds, assists, and steals per game. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but you can argue it and make a reasonable argument.

Its hard to argue he is the best in the league when he is not clearly the best in his conference. Lowry has been putting up similar #'s, if not better, since DeRozan went down. Lowery is now the first option (like Wall) and plays on a similarly built team with a similar record. I would like to see stats that compare the two in the last two weeks of play that includes charges taken (same impact as steals, rebounds, turnovers). I believe he leads the league in that category and IMO takes cojones especially against guys like Lebron at full steam.

[dckingsfan]

Wall at 5
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

Beal - uh, hmmm
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/2

Gortat - what?
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/9

...Nene

Beal was -0.61 0.08 with a total of -0.53 last year and ranked 30th
This year -0.02 -0.08 with a total of -0.10 ranked 24th

so while not elite, he is improving on a sample sample size. And he did get a late start.

woof... I guess if you want to call that improvement. Either way - not so good - but let's move this out of the Wall thread. Much more fun to debate where he is at...

[Ruzious]

Ok guys, I admit.... I'm John Feinstein.

















lol jk. But man that guy really goes out of his way to discredit Wall's stellar play.

Not just that - he insists that Beal is their best player. Beal may some year become a star, but he is an ordinary NBA player up to this point.

[Nivek]

I'm pretty sure the sample size is small, but when we actually use Pierce as a stretch 4, is there a way to extrapolate where Wall stands then? Like, teague for instance has the luxury of playing with Milsap AND Horford, who really stretch the floor well for bigmen, I'm just curious if the numbers actually improve for Wall when we play Pierce at the 4.

I could probably get there if I had a day or two to crunch numbers. As a kind of proxy, I took a look at instance where Wall, Pierce and either Porter or Butler were on the floor together.

So far this season, Wall-Pierce-Porter have been on the floor together for 25 minutes. Butler was out there with them for 5 minutes for whatever that's worth.

When that trio is on the floor, Wall's assists per possession is up a bit, but so are his turnovers. Ast100 goes from 14.1 per 100 possessions to 16.3; turnovers from 5.4 to 6.1.

The team effect is HUGE -- ortg of 114; drtg of 88. Keep in mind we're talking about 25 minutes total -- TINY sample size.

Wall's efg is higher -- 50%, but 3 of his 7 fga were from 16ft to the 3pt line. Only one of his 7 was at-rim.

Replace Porter with Butler and the sample size rises to 82 minutes -- that's 82 minutes of Wall-Butler-Pierce and a pretty random mixture of "other guys." Most common "partners" were Gortat (46 minutes), Beal (45), Nenê (29) and Humphries (28).

With that mix, Wall's asts per 100 possessions went up to 17.8 and his turnovers fell to 4.6. Of his 31 assists with this group, 14 were for 3pters.

Wall's efg was .474, which is a moderate improvement over his season average. 38.5% of his FGA were from 0-3 feet compared to 26.2% for the season. But, he's shooting just .533 on those attempts (probably a sample size quirk -- for his career, he shoots 62% from that range). 41% of his fga were in that 16ft to the 3pt line range (the **** shot) -- compare to 34.2% for the season and 30% for his career. His accuracy was about the same with this group as it is normally.

Team level, the Wizards ortg with that trio: 124; their drtg: 93.

[Higga]

I'm looking at the #s and you can legitimately argue that Wall is the best PG in the league with his combination of points, rebounds, assists, and steals per game. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but you can argue it and make a reasonable argument.

Its hard to argue he is the best in the league when he is not clearly the best in his conference. Lowry has been putting up similar #'s, if not better, since DeRozan went down. Lowery is now the first option (like Wall) and plays on a similarly built team with a similar record. I would like to see stats that compare the two in the last two weeks of play that includes charges taken (same impact as steals, rebounds, turnovers). I believe he leads the league in that category and IMO takes cojones especially against guys like Lebron at full steam.

Lowry is great. I think Wall is better, but Lowry is right there with him. Probably the most underrated player in the league.

[stevemcqueen1]

Wall at 5
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

Beal - uh, hmmm
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/2

Gortat - what?
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/9

...Nene

Nene fares surprisingly well in this, coming in at 13 overall and 3rd for DRPM.

Something about our offense is breaking this metric. From looking at where our players come in for ORPM, you'd think we have one of the worst offenses in the league. But we actually have a pretty good offense that scores points against almost anyone and generates a ton of assists. All five of our regular starters can score and pass. And we can score in crunch time, when a lot of other higher ranked offenses can't. Well... isn't that the bottom line for offensive performance?

We show up well as a team defense across the board in DRPM. That might actually reflect reality. When Nene plays, we're one of the best and most physical defenses in the league this year. We have our lapses from time to time, especially when Nene is out. So does everyone.

But we're not such a good defense that 15-6 comes entirely from that. We're not Indy or Chicago from last season, on either end.

[tontoz]

The Wizards are 26th in the league in strength of schedule.

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

They have also had some narrow escapes, including the last 2 games. The Wizards are 6-2 in games decided by 5 points or less.

They have been slowly moving up on offensive efficiency, now up to 13th.