Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[Ruzious]

C'mon, KSera just needs a couple more years for the light to go on. 8th year's the charm. We don't want to be that guy who gave up on him too soon.

[AFM]

Seraphin should play in the French league. He would be a beast, would probably average 40 pts a game and 20 boards
plus he could have all the menage a trois he wants

[Dark Faze]

ernie has drafted some of the greatest all time knuckle heads ever

[pcbothwel]

Yeah, Seraphin is still Seraphin. His PPA so far: 28. Here's Seraphin's year-by-year PPA progression:

2010-11 -- 20
2011-12 -- 95
2012-13 -- 22
2013-14 -- 35
2014-15 -- 38
2015-16 -- 28

It's crazy to think back to that giant leap he made that 2nd year. Great footwork and touch, agile and athletic, while being strong as an ox. Combine that with no serious injuries and the fact that he's not a headcase and his plummet after that year is strange to say the least

[pcbothwel]

ernie has drafted some of the greatest all time knuckle heads ever

I have to disagree... Seraphin was no SwaggyP or Magee. And as I just mentionred above, his skill set seams to resemble Nene-lite.
As a scout, I could see watching him and seeing his impact defensively, his athleticism, along with a god-given smoothness and thinking this guy is worth a shot at 18-20

[Dark Faze]

not sure how those two things are mutually exclusive--dray, nick, javale--its not as if those guys didn't have favorable attributes

[TheSecretWeapon]

ernie has drafted some of the greatest all time knuckle heads ever

I have to disagree... Seraphin was no SwaggyP or Magee. And as I just mentionred above, his skill set seams to resemble Nene-lite.
As a scout, I could see watching him and seeing his impact defensively, his athleticism, along with a god-given smoothness and thinking this guy is worth a shot at 18-20

Yeah, Seraphin seemed to be a good guy, he just wasn't/isn't a good NBA player.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

How do you think KSera would have done in the new chuck and duck offense?

With more space to operate, could he have upped his efficiency?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If anything, the Wiz would get a pick out of the Magic for that trade. Oladipo is currently coming off the bench, whereas Beal is a starter.

And would the Wiz look to move Wall also? Because a backcourt of two players that can't space the floor is going nowhere fast in today's league.

Oladipo has had monster games, games in which he hit several threes.

It's ludicrous to suggest trading Wall. I think you're flat wrong about Wall and Oladipo. You haven't noticed that Wall hits threes now.

I mean, Beal has had monster games too- in the postseason at that. So that only means so much, right?

Oladipo has never had any 'monster' games for a winning team, his best individual production came as a proverbial looter in a riot. The moment the Magic started winning is when Skiles sent Oladipo to the bench , so he couldn't dominate the ball and negatively impact the other starters. It seems that he's best suited in a limited role as a sixth man, not as a focal point or starter.

Here's a link to 12 monster games by 21 or 22 year-old Victor Oladipo. Sixth man? I disagree, 100%.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=oladivi01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=game_score&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#stats

One player coached by Jacques Vaughn is a moot point re. playing for a winning team.

It could be that Evan Fournier and Elfrid Payton are 23 and 20, also, and they player better together. Oladipo is a shot jacker who's not good at three-point shooting.

[Illmatic12]

Oladipo has had monster games, games in which he hit several threes.

It's ludicrous to suggest trading Wall. I think you're flat wrong about Wall and Oladipo. You haven't noticed that Wall hits threes now.

I mean, Beal has had monster games too- in the postseason at that. So that only means so much, right?

Oladipo has never had any 'monster' games for a winning team, his best individual production came as a proverbial looter in a riot. The moment the Magic started winning is when Skiles sent Oladipo to the bench , so he couldn't dominate the ball and negatively impact the other starters. It seems that he's best suited in a limited role as a sixth man, not as a focal point or starter.

Here's a link to 12 monster games by 21 or 22 year-old Victor Oladipo.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=oladivi01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=game_score&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#stats

CCJ, I can't help but point out that the majority of those games were losses.

This season, with Oladipo on the bench, the Magic are several games above .500 and on pace to make the playoffs. It's the same exact team, only difference is Oladipo is coming off the bench and not permitted to dominate the ball with as much usage.

I'm not saying VO doesn't have talent, but I would be worried that his erratic, ball dominant style would take away from Wall. And he's a bit of an overrated defender as well, Beal rated better than him last season. Oladipo has actually been a net negative on defense throughout his career



Link to the above if it's hard to read : http://i.imgur.com/QmEX8ga.jpg

Idk, I've always liked Oladipo because he's from the area (Dematha grad) but.. just something to think about

[sashae]

How about we attempt to clear up the situation in Houston and get a bit more youth in the frontcourt.

Houston trades:
PG Ty Lawson
PF Clint Capela

Washington trades:
PF/C Nene
PG Gary Neal (or Ramon Sessions, either works.)

Houston pays the price to dump Lawson in Capela, receives back a functional defensive piece in Nene (expiring this year) and acceptably competent bench PG in Neal or Sessions. Washington takes on the risk of Lawson from a locker room perspective and puts him in position to run the second unit, providing a better bridge than Neal does with Beal as well, as well as picking up an interesting PF prospect.

[TheSecretWeapon]

How do you think KSera would have done in the new chuck and duck offense?

With more space to operate, could he have upped his efficiency?

No.

[TheSecretWeapon]

How about we attempt to clear up the situation in Houston and get a bit more youth in the frontcourt.

Houston trades:
PG Ty Lawson
PF Clint Capela

Washington trades:
PF/C Nene
PG Gary Neal (or Ramon Sessions, either works.)

Houston pays the price to dump Lawson in Capela, receives back a functional defensive piece in Nene (expiring this year) and acceptably competent bench PG in Neal or Sessions. Washington takes on the risk of Lawson from a locker room perspective and puts him in position to run the second unit, providing a better bridge than Neal does with Beal as well, as well as picking up an interesting PF prospect.

What's in it for Houston? Capela has been terrific this season. I'd love to bring Capela to the Wizards, but Houston isn't trading him for Washington's spare parts and leftovers. I've been playing with a trade value calculator that combines total production, per possession production and age (still working on a convenient way to incorporate salaries and contracts, and draft picks). Curry has the top trade value in my "real trade value" calculator. If I set him at 1000, Capela rates a 621.

Washington's top player in trade value is Wall at 486. Nenê is at 117. Neal at 156. Sessions: 183. Lawson's value is 86, according to RTV, but realistically has a zero or even a negative value. Even if we discount Capela's value because he's played this well for only about 500 minutes, he's still WAY more valuable than Nenê and a scrub. Houston surely knows this.

Nice try, though.

[Ruzious]

How about we attempt to clear up the situation in Houston and get a bit more youth in the frontcourt.

Houston trades:
PG Ty Lawson
PF Clint Capela

Washington trades:
PF/C Nene
PG Gary Neal (or Ramon Sessions, either works.)

Houston pays the price to dump Lawson in Capela, receives back a functional defensive piece in Nene (expiring this year) and acceptably competent bench PG in Neal or Sessions. Washington takes on the risk of Lawson from a locker room perspective and puts him in position to run the second unit, providing a better bridge than Neal does with Beal as well, as well as picking up an interesting PF prospect.

I would jump at that trade - and then hope that Lawson does well enough that we can trade/dump him in the offseason - which I expect he will. I'd Love to steal Capela. He's strictly a center, imo - but a perfect backup for Gortat.

[tontoz]

Capela was drafted 25th in the 2014 draft. We traded the 18th pick to the Suns in the Gortat deal.

[nate33]

How about we attempt to clear up the situation in Houston and get a bit more youth in the frontcourt.

Houston trades:
PG Ty Lawson
PF Clint Capela

Washington trades:
PF/C Nene
PG Gary Neal (or Ramon Sessions, either works.)

Houston pays the price to dump Lawson in Capela, receives back a functional defensive piece in Nene (expiring this year) and acceptably competent bench PG in Neal or Sessions. Washington takes on the risk of Lawson from a locker room perspective and puts him in position to run the second unit, providing a better bridge than Neal does with Beal as well, as well as picking up an interesting PF prospect.

Absurd from Houston's perspective. Lawson has an expiring deal. They're not giving up Capela to turn Lawson into Nene for 50 games.

[JohnWall2]

Bledsoe,Tucker, Goodwin, Kieff and Cleveland 1st for Wall and Nene.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jckw7et

What say you Washington?

[nate33]

Bledsoe,Tucker, Goodwin, Kieff and Cleveland 1st for Wall and Nene.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jckw7et

What say you Washington?

We say "Hell No".

You never trade quality for quantity, and you never trade away a superstar in his prime. There is no chance the Wizards do this.

[gambitx777]

Bledsoe,Tucker, Goodwin, Kieff and Cleveland 1st for Wall and Nene.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jckw7et

What say you Washington?

I would do this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jhjx284
Len, Teletovic, Booker, clevelends first
for
Beal, Anderson, Blair and second.

[m1chal]

Bledsoe,Tucker, Goodwin, Kieff and Cleveland 1st for Wall and Nene.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jckw7et

What say you Washington?

I would do this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jhjx284
Len, Teletovic, Booker, clevelends first
for
Beal, Anderson, Blair and second.

..but the Suns would not