The 2017 NBA Draft Thread

[pcbothwel]

Back to reality--is anyone excited about any late 2nd round sleepers? Is there an IT hiding somewhere? Can we just spy on the Spurs and figure out who they like internationally?

Thornwell, Jenne, Oliver, Anigbogu, Frank Jackson, Tony Bradley and Hart all interest me

Hamidou Diallo, Swanigan, Brooks, Morris, Bossomgame, and Kobi Simmons do not interest me

[Aussie22]

Back to reality--is anyone excited about any late 2nd round sleepers? Is there an IT hiding somewhere? Can we just spy on the Spurs and figure out who they like internationally?

Frank Mason?

[Wizardspride]

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[Rafael122]

Thornwell is projected to go in the 2nd round. That's the dude from South Carolina right? I'd pick him up, I thought he would have been a 1st rounder after the tournament he had.

[Rafael122]

If I'm Indiana, do I watch PG 13 leave for nothing or try and salvage it and get something for him? Boston has the assets to trade for him, but they'd gut the team and their depth to do so and Paul probably won't stay long term.

If he truly wants to be in LA, would a package that includes Russell/Deng/2019 1st round pick for PG 13 and CJ Miles work?

PG - Ball
SG - Clarkson
SF - George
PF - Randle
C - Zubac

I was thinking maybe LA would have to include Clarkson in the deal, but at the very least they will ask Indiana to take either Mozgov or Deng off their hands and undo one of those bad contracts.

Indiana can build around Turner, Russell, and Clarkson. They will stink next offseason giving them the opportunity for a high lottery pick

[closg00]

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A year or two ago he was mocked as a late first rounder/early 2nd, now I don't see him in either round.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

[80sballboy]

Pretty shocking that teams are interested in drafting Trimble in the second round. I just see too many similarities with Trey Burke. He's slow and unathletic (listed as 6.2.5 in shoes). Burke is a better 3-point shooter, Melo a better passer. Maybe in the PNR he would be ok but wow, I would think you could get him as a free agent.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Thornwell is projected to go in the 2nd round. That's the dude from South Carolina right? I'd pick him up, I thought he would have been a 1st rounder after the tournament he had.

It wasn't even just the tournament, because he was doing that all season long. I know he isn't as athletic or fast as most teams want, but he isn't super slow or anything, just not a freak, and he makes use of the athleticism he does have in games much better than more athletic players. He also has really long arms to help him compensate a bit. He's really good and I don't understand why he's rated so much lower than some of the other wings out there, who aren't bad prospects, but aren't really amazing either.

[Rafael122]

Thornwell is projected to go in the 2nd round. That's the dude from South Carolina right? I'd pick him up, I thought he would have been a 1st rounder after the tournament he had.

It wasn't even just the tournament, because he was doing that all season long. I know he isn't as athletic or fast as most teams want, but he isn't super slow or anything, just not a freak, and he makes use of the athleticism he does have in games much better than more athletic players. He also has really long arms to help him compensate a bit. He's really good and I don't understand why he's rated so much lower than some of the other wings out there, who aren't bad prospects, but aren't really amazing either.

The exact reasons you mentioned, he's not an athletic freak so he will get passed over. Upside is capped b/c he's what...22-23 years old. But at least you're getting a grown man and not a 19 year old.

[I_Like_Dirt]

See, I don't think his upside is capped by his age. He won't be Lebron James, obviously, but looking for a the next Lebron when one clearly isn't there is foolish. I tend to think the best value tends to be in places where not every team scouts as efficiently. If you look over the past few drafts, it's pretty clear that there are two types of ways to beat the system in the draft after the initial few obvious top prospects are gone. That's by either taking international bigs (Jokic, Gobert, etc.), or older college players from smaller schools who maybe aren't quite as athletic as teams dream of (not a 100% rule, at least one if not some combination of those 3 things is key). Thornwell fits the bill as the kind of player who normally be underrated, but I would have thought the tournament would have put him on some radars, but apparently it didn't. Honestly, I'm not really sure why he's considered a worse prospect than the likes of Denzel Valentine or Luke Kennard, who are both very good prospects, too.

I honestly think some scouts make up their mind about a player early on in their careers and then, even if they break out at a later point, still assume that player has the same weaknesses and assess them far more critically than other players they've judged positively earlier on. Thornwell is a heady 2-way player who doesn't shy away from contact, can potentially play multiple positions, with long arms, who can shoot. That said, I still sort of expect him to go in the first round once everything is said and done. Some team that scouts the later rounds well is going to snap him up, like San Antonio, Golden State, Toronto or someone like that.

[80sballboy]

Draft Express has us taking PG Monte Morris from Iowa State and Thornwell goes a lot later. Don't like his lack of strength but a solid PG prospect. I think Thornwell and Williams-Goss would be better fits if they are available. NBA DraftNet has us taking Alec Peters from Valpo at 52, who appears to be a less athletic Aaron White.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Monte-Morris-72551/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nigel-Williams-Goss-7093/

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/sindarius-thornwell

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/nigel-williams-goss

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/alec-peters

[europeanfan]

I'm shocked that DX has Thornwell going as late as 57.

Anyway by the look of things there'll be good value in the second round. Just take someone who can defend.

A Satoransky Thornwell Oubre combination would be pretty sick defensively.

[payitforward]

Sindarius Thornwell -- well, who knows? But he sure looks like the ultimate steal if he's there at #52, so I can't believe he will be. My only concern is that he was not very good at all his first 3 years in college -- but what a jump as a senior! Wow....

Melo Trimble doesn't interest me one bit, & anyway he's pretty sure to be available after the draft.

Monte Morris -- this guy's numbers are awfully good. & they've been good all 4 years in college. I'm kind of amazed you can get a guy w/ this kind of college career @ #52 (& DR has us picking him at that spot).

Williams-Goss -- he just had an outstanding junior year.

Anybody like Tony Bradley? DR has him going #42. If he drops to 52, do we want him?

[Dat2U]

Trade up and get Jason Hart. That kid screams solid NBA role player to me.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade up and get Jason Hart. That kid screams solid NBA role player to me.

Second that.

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[BigA]

My mock has the Wizards taking Cash Considerations. Somewhat versatile but limited upside.

We can skip the 2018 draft thread as well, since Ernie will be using the 2018 1st to unload Bogdanovic's 4 year MLE deal.

The Best is Yet to Come™

[Kanyewest]

Trade up and get Jason Hart. That kid screams solid NBA role player to me.

I agree Josh Hart would be a good pick. Nightmare scenario is that Washington trades the pick even though Hart slips to them.

[closg00]

We know how Ernie rolls, he'd rather trade our 2nd rounder for an expiring/washed-up vet, rather than draft a rookie...especially since we have Sato, Sheldon, Daniel, & Chris coming back. Hopefully we use the pick and have a FA camp battle for every low-salary spot.

[nuposse04]

If we somehow could buy into the first 3rd of the 2nd round and get Jonathan Motley that would intrigue me. Not much of a perimeter threat right now I think. Not sure how his defensive abilities are right now.

A guy like Semi Ojeleye looks like he might be able to contribute quickly. Again, someone we would have to get into the first third or half of the 2nd round for. Only think with him is mediocre standing reach, but he is stupid strong and athletic so maybe not that problematic?

[payitforward]

Trade up and get Jason Hart. That kid screams solid NBA role player to me.

Second that.

(Josh Hart) Sign me up too -- how can a kid w/ a college career like that go in the middle of R2?