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Political Roundtable Part XII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#221 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:16 pm

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gtn130 wrote:Dems lose seats because their voting base doesn't consist of old, white, retired, politically-engaged people with literally nothing to do with their lives but show up and vote.

Having a low-flexibility job and a family makes it harder for folks to show up on a Tuesday.

meh - not buying it. I think it is more messaging and turnout for specific issues.

There are ~ 231M eligible voters. Trump: 62,979,879 and Clinton: 65,844,954.

Basically there were more non-voters than either Trump or Clinton received ~ 92M (Obama received 69,456,897 votes in 2008). So, neither resonated that well (using both of their low approval ratings).

Trump supporters are the ones with low-flexibility (life).

I just think the messages of both parties are underwhelming.

I haven't looked it up, but being in urban areas might be easier to get to a polling place?


I was talking about midterms, and your take on Trump supporters being "the ones with low-flexibility" is completely wrong, and this has been established for quite a while.

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Trump supporters have an above average median household income. Clinton lost the election because she didn't get enough votes from college-educated whites - not because she failed to capture the spirit of Real Working Class Americans or whatever the narrative is.

The average Trump supporter isn't struggling.

I'd like to see the same graph using individual income rather than household income. Republican supporters tend to be married.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#222 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:30 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#223 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:38 pm

Yikes....

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#224 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:46 am

Wizardspride wrote:Yikes....

Read on Twitter

I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#225 » by DCZards » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:01 am

dckingsfan wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:Yikes....

Read on Twitter

I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...


What you see as "fiscal sanity" others may view as a threat to programs they and their families depend upon to survive.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#226 » by TGW » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:05 am

dckingsfan wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:Yikes....

Read on Twitter

I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...


Why are you opposed to raising taxes on the rich? You think they pay their fair share?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#227 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:11 am

It's starting to sink in. This is really going to happen, isn't it?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#228 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:54 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#229 » by Induveca » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:11 am

DCZards wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:Yikes....

Read on Twitter

I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...


What you see as "fiscal sanity" others may view as a threat to programs they and their families depend upon to survive.


Lots of executive orders to be rolled back all throughout the weekend. I'm genuinely excited.

Historic day, sadly I'll be unable to see it live.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#230 » by verbal8 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:34 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...


What you see as "fiscal sanity" others may view as a threat to programs they and their families depend upon to survive.


Lots of executive orders to be rolled back all throughout the weekend. I'm genuinely excited.

Historic day, sadly I'll be unable to see it live.


What is historic about Trump? I don't see how a privileged unqualified man taking office is particularly historical.

I guess he pretty easily could replace George W. Bush as the worst president since Nixon - I think worse is a possibility.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#231 » by TGW » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Yes it's a historic. One of the most popular political figures in American history is about to be replaced by one of the least popular political figures in American history.

A sad day for the American political landscape, but it's okay. Trump only has four years to do his damage before progressives come in in 2020 and clean up the cesspool in Washington.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#232 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:46 pm

TGW wrote:Yes it's a historic. One of the most popular political figures in American history is about to be replaced by one of the least popular political figures in American history.

A sad day for the American political landscape, but it's okay. Trump only has four years to do his damage before progressives come in in 2020 and clean up the cesspool in Washington.

Umm. Progressives have been running DC for years. in 2008 Obama had the presidency and both houses. The bureaucracy is clearly progressive (96% of DC residents voted for the Democrat candidate). If it takes a progressive to "clean up the cesspool", why hasn't it happened yet?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#233 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:52 pm

TGW wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:Yikes....

Read on Twitter

I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...


Why are you opposed to raising taxes on the rich? You think they pay their fair share?

I am not. But at this point - even if you taxed the 1% - 100% of their income it wouldn't balance the budget.

What I don't like is when it is ONLY raise taxes and never cut to get into balance.

At some point there are going to need to be cuts. And every group is going to go ballistic when their program gets touched.

See above tweet.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#234 » by gtn130 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:07 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
TGW wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:I don't know - not a lot of detail there.

It seems like if there is any notion of fiscal sanity it is approached like this. OMG - they are going to cut something - yeah, we can't afford it but you know, how dare (whatever party suggests it) they. Just raise taxes...


Why are you opposed to raising taxes on the rich? You think they pay their fair share?

I am not. But at this point - even if you taxed the 1% - 100% of their income it wouldn't balance the budget.

What I don't like is when it is ONLY raise taxes and never cut to get into balance.

At some point there are going to need to be cuts. And every group is going to go ballistic when their program gets touched.

See above tweet.


Do you actually think the Trump admin has any intention of balancing the budget?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#235 » by gtn130 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:09 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/19/trump-reportedly-wants-to-cut-cultural-programs-that-make-up-0-02-percent-of-federal-spending/

"Trump reportedly wants to cut cultural programs that make up 0.02 percent of federal spending"

This is so great for balancing that budget!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#236 » by gtn130 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:10 pm

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The budget will be balanced in no time!!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#237 » by montestewart » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:18 pm

nate33 wrote:96% of DC residents voted for the Democrat candidate

90.9%
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#238 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:18 pm

gtn130 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
TGW wrote:Why are you opposed to raising taxes on the rich? You think they pay their fair share?

I am not. But at this point - even if you taxed the 1% - 100% of their income it wouldn't balance the budget.

What I don't like is when it is ONLY raise taxes and never cut to get into balance.

At some point there are going to need to be cuts. And every group is going to go ballistic when their program gets touched.

See above tweet.

Do you actually think the Trump admin has any intention of balancing the budget?

No. I did a comparison a while ago between the Clinton and Trump plans - neither were good. I could see a bump in GDP with the Trump plan but with a corresponding escalation of the deficit.

But the Ds don't have a plan either - that is why I find it hilarious when they complain.

The closest to an actual plan would by Ryan's, but his plan has flaws too. But if you have a plan of any kind to be fiscally sane, you are immediately labeled a baby killer.

Edit: Regardless of the way you look at it - SS + Medicare + Medicaid, CHIP & Obamacare = unsustainable. As they are currently constructed, they will eventually exceed all revenues coming into the federal government. They have to be fixed. But it is a third-rail issue. The "average" voter still believes that taxing the 1% could solve the issue - and it can't. So, in this one regard - count me as a Ryan supporter until the Ds come up with an actual plan. (kind of reminds me of the Rs with no plan to replace the ACA)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#239 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:24 pm

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nate33 wrote:96% of DC residents voted for the Democrat candidate

90.9%

Sorry. It might have been 96% didn't vote for Trump, but I guess not all of them voted for Clinton.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#240 » by montestewart » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:26 pm

nate33 wrote:
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nate33 wrote:96% of DC residents voted for the Democrat candidate

90.9%

Sorry. It might have been 96% didn't vote for Trump, but I guess not all of them voted for Clinton.

Dammit, I want my vote that doesn't count to count!

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