Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Pointgod]

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Almost one year in, it’s time for another update for Trump voters on his election promises:

1. He told you he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. You bought it. But his new tax law does the opposite. By 2027, according several nonpartisan analyses, the richest 1 percent will have got 83 percent of the tax cut and the richest 0.1 percent, 60 percent of it. As Trump told his wealthy friends at Mar-a-Lago just days after the tax bill became law, “You all just got a lot richer.”

2. He promised to close “special interest loopholes that have been so good for Wall Street investors but unfair to American workers,” especially the notorious “carried interest” loophole for private-equity, hedge fund, and real estate partners. You bought it. But the new tax law keeps the “carried interest” loophole.

3. He told you he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “beautiful.” You bought it. But he didn’t repeal and he didn’t replace. (Just as well: His plan would have knocked at least 23 million off health insurance, including many of you.) Instead, he’s doing what he can to cut it back and replace it with nothing. The new tax law will result in 13 million people losing health coverage, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

4. He told you he’d invest $1 trillion in our nation’ crumbling infrastructure. You bought it. But after his giant tax cut for corporations and millionaires, there’s no money left for infrastructure.

5. He said he’d clean the Washington swamp. You bought it. But he’s brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses, and he’s filled departments and agencies with former lobbyists, lawyers and consultants who are crafting new policies for the same industries they recently worked for.

6. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. But he has created the most dysfunctional, back-stabbing White House in modern history, and has already fired and replaced so many assistants (one of them hired and fired in a little more than a week) that people there barely know who’s in charge of what.

7. He told you he’d “bring down drug prices” by making deals with drug companies. You bought it. But now the White House says that promise is “inoperative.”

8. He promised “a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.” You bought it. But foreign lobbyists are still raising money for American elections.

9. He told you “I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.” You bought it. But he and House Speaker Paul Ryan are already planning such cuts in order to deal with the ballooning deficit created, in part, by the new tax law for corporations and the rich.

10. He promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit.” You bought it. But the giant tax cut for corporations and the rich doesn’t leave any money for this.

11. He said that on Day One he’d label China a “currency manipulator.” You bought it. But then he met with China’s president Xi Jinping and declared “China is not a currency manipulator.” Ever since then, Trump has been cozying up to Xi.

12. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. But then he bombed Syria.

13. He said he’d build a “wall” across the southern border. You believed him. But there’s no money for that, either. Chief of staff John Kelly says it is “unlikely that we will build a wall, a physical barrier, from sea to shining sea.”

14. He promised that the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” You bought it. He hasn’t sued them, presumably because he doesn’t want the truth to come out.

15. He said he would not be a president who took vacations. “I would not be a president that takes time off,” he promised, and he called Barack Obama “the vacationer-in-Chief.” You bought it. But since becoming President he has spent nearly 25 percent of his days at one of his golf properties for some portion of the day, according to Golf News Network, at a cost to taxpayers of over $77 million. That’s already more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama cost in the first 3 years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.

16. He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and that there would be “consequences” for companies that shipped jobs abroad. You believed him. But despite their promises, Carrier, Ford, GM, and the rest have continued to ship jobs to Mexico and China. Carrier (a division of United Technologies) has moved ahead with plans to send 1,000 jobs at its Indiana plant to Mexico. Notwithstanding, the federal government has rewarded United Technologies with 15 new contracts since Trump’s inauguration. Last year, Microsoft opened a new factory in Wilsonville, Oregon, that was supposed to herald a new era in domestic tech manufacturing. But in July, the company announced it was closing the plant. More than 100 workers and contractors will lose their jobs when production shifts to China. GE is sending jobs to Canada. IBM is sending them to Costa Rica, Egypt, Argentina, and Brazil. There have been no “consequences” for sending all these jobs overseas.

17. He promised to revive the struggling coal industry and “bring back thousands” of lost mining jobs. You bought it. But coal jobs continue to disappear. Since Trump’s victory, at least 6 plants that relied on coal have closed or announced they will close. Another 40 are projected to close during the president’s four-year term. Utilities continue to switch to natural gas instead of coal.

18. He promised to protect steel workers. But according to the American Iron and Steel Institute, which tracks shipments, steel imports were 19.4 percent higher in the first 10 months of 2017 than in the same period last year. That import surge has hurt American steel workers, who were already struggling against a glut of cheap Chinese steel. For example, ArcelorMittal just announced it will soon lay off 150 of its 207 steel workers at its plant in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania.

19. He said he’d make America safer. You believed him. But according to Mass Shooting Tracker, there have been 377 mass shootings so far this year, including 58 people killed and hundreds injured at a concert in Las Vegas, and 26 churchgoers killed and 20 injured at a church in Texas. Trump refuses to consider any gun controls.

20. He said he’d release his taxes. “I’m under a routine audit and it’ll be released, and as soon as the audit is finished it will be released,“ he promised during the campaign. He hasn’t released his taxes

[cammac]

What is the most discriminated group religiously in the USA?
As far as I know they have zero representation in the House or Senate?
The likely answer would be Muslims but at least they have one representative!
This is the second largest group in religion in the USA!
They represent approximately 23% of Americans and are the fastest growing segment of the the religious society.
they are likely the segment of society which is most racially tolerant and religiously tolerant. They are the nonbelievers a group of atheists, agnostics and humanists. They have virtually no political clout. It is a segment of the population that has been ignored by political parties.

Lets take a Senate race in a State like Mississippi where 40 + % of the electorate is minorities which would go 95% + for a Democrat. 14% of the population is nonreligious and the 3rd most important religious group after Evangelistic Protestant and Historically Black Protestants. They are almost equal to Mainline Protestant and Catholics combined. They have never been recognized by either party as a potential strength. Obviously it could be a mistake to energize this demographic but is the upside better than than the downside?

[stilldropin20]

SD20 for a man who wants to teach us!
Your theories come right out of the far right { Nazi, White Nationalist, KKK }
Looked some new ones up Hitler was a Rothschild????
Fox is addictive you need a intervention!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

initially funded by rothschilds. yes. absolutely. The 5 rothschild's families: paris, London, Naples, frankfurt, and vienna. and have dominated european banking since the late 1700's and early 1800's. There is no other place Hitler could have secured inital financing. None. other than NY of course Brown Brothers Harrimen bankers Who were also Rothschild agents in the US. george bush great grand daddy was on the board. Once hitler had "enough" initial funding he then invaded czechoslavakia where he "stole" 25 Billion of rothschild gold from czech branch of rothschild bankers.

From BIS wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements

The most notorious incident in this context was the transfer of 23 tons of gold held by the BIS in London on behalf of the Czechoslovakian national bank to the German Reichsbank after Nazi Germany had invaded Czechoslovakia in March 1939.[8]

I note that you only cite to actual facts regarding the theft of money from Jews by Nazis. When it comes to your previous shock-irony assertion that Jews financed Hitler and the Nazis' rise to power, your proof is:

There is no other place Hitler could have secured inital [sic(k)] financing. None.

There are people who conduct historical research (many both smart and not Jewish), and they have made available facts that do not line up well with crackpot theories. A host of non-Jewish personages (Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, etc.) and families (the Morgans, the Rockefellers, etc.) likely contributed from the very earliest days to the rise of Hitler.

Blaming it all on the Jews (the Rothschilds) allows the Christian-capitalist West to dodge accountability for contributing to the rise of Nazism in its opposition to the rise of Communism, while also feeding the petty superstitions of rank and file haters everywhere. Blaming Nazism on the Jews. Sometimes, analogizing to Hitler is the only place left to go.

Your international banking trope and Rothschild prop mongering inevitably has "Jews" as the next stop. "International Jewish banking" conspiracy theories intentionally ignore banking controlled by non-Jews and ignore the historical events, trends, and patterns that led to Jews' presence in banking in the first place. It's just dem greedy Jews.

I don't mind posters spending page after page saying not much of anything (I loved hands11, and you're really nothing but a recently right-winged hands11 with a better stt app) but if you go too far in a Jew-baiting (or any other kind of race-baiting) direction, we might not love it, and your "almost 50% minority" won't get you out of jail free.

Don't respond. Just think about that. And damn, post something about basketball every once in while.

I just put up 3 or 4 posts on basketball this week. In the trade thread. I crashed and burned.

But I do have to respond to say that being jewish has absolutely nothing to do with any of the stuff I'm posting about. Nothing. At. All.

I am strictly trying to follow the money. This is a politics thread and every single decision ever made about politics has a money trail. In the end, everything is about money. Isn't it?

Furthermore Nobody should draw any conclusion from what I'm posting about the "rothschilds" to religion nor ethnicity. And i certainly do not. These have nothing to do with each other. this is about money, power, and influence. Same for Clintons and Obama. race has nothing to do with any of it. You would all serve yourselves better to just keep race and religion out of it. I know that I certainly do.

And imo, I'm not so sure that the Rothschilds are evil or that they have done a bad job. The world could certainly be a more dangerous and worse palce than it is. The Rothschilds have been mostly in control (of most of the entire planet) since the late 1700's early 1800's because they have dominated Central banking since then which put them in control of who won wars and conflicts based on funding both sides of most wars and most conflicts. They also have investment banking arms that have funded most major investment houses in all the financial capitals of the world.

They own large percentages and their agents on the board most of the biggest central banks in the world and supposedly up until 2006 where they supposedly sold out of central banking and it is proven they put their assets into Gold(as an aside go look at the price of Gold since 2006). and then also think about the financial collapse of 2007. A year after they left central banking.

They still own most of the Bank of International Settlements. BIS.

Again, This is strictly about money and control of governments. and Strictly about the Rothschilds and there agents. There is no parallel what so ever about Jews in general and the Rothschilds. At all. None. Zippo.

Also. The tie to the Rothschilds and NY banks that funded Hitler (early) is via Jacob Schiiff- whose grandson is married to Al Gore's daughter. Schiff was oringinally a Hamburg family Rothschild apprentice and his father merely a broker for the rothschilds in Hamburg. Let me say that again. Broker. Employee. Apprentice. that initially came to New York and joined Kuhn and loeb in th elate 1875. Schiff's sister married Paul Warburg-who sat on the original board of the federal reserve.
from wiki: His father, Moses Schiff, was a broker for the Rothschilds.[1] Schiff was educated in the schools of Frankfurt and was first employed in the banking and brokerage business as an apprentice in 1861


Schiff also , did bring with him an investment banking arm from France which is now Parabas. But from day 1 in the united states schiff came to dominate American banking:

Schiff accepted Kuhn's invitation in January 1875, bringing to Kuhn, Loeb & Company his connections with Sir Ernest Cassel of London, Robert Fleming of Dundee (later of London), and Edouard Noetzlin (fr) of the Banque de Paris et des Pays-Bas.[5] On May 6, 1875, he married Therese Loeb, daughter of Solomon Loeb. The couple were the parents of a son, Mortimer L. Schiff and a daughter, Frieda.[4][5][7]
In 1885 Schiff became head of Kuhn, Loeb & Company. Besides financing such Eastern railroads as the Pennsylvania and the Louisville & Nashville, he took part in the reorganization of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad in 1896–99, and at various times aided the American Smelting & Refining Company (ASARCO), the Westinghouse Electric Company, and the Western Union Telegraph Company. Less fortunate was his share in the reorganization in 1902 of the Metropolitan Street Railway of New York.[5]
He became associated with E. H. Harriman in notable contests with James J. Hill and J.P. Morgan & Company for control of several Western railroads. Schiff served as a director of the Equitable Life Assurance Society, National City Bank of New York, Central Trust Company, Western Union Telegraph Company, Union Pacific Railroad, Bond & Mortgage Guarantee Company, and Wells Fargo & Company. He was elected a director of Wells Fargo in September 1914 to succeed his brother-in-law, Paul Warburg, who had resigned to accept appointment to the original Federal Reserve Board.[4][5][8][9]


So where did Jacob Schiff get all this money to do this so quickly!!!!?????? Recall his was merely a broker for the rothschilds in Hamburg.

[dckingsfan]

So, is this an opinion piece? I would say yes. I wouldn't say it belongs in the business section of the NY Times. I have been watching that section - which I would hope would be neutral - becoming very politicized. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/your-money/tax-break-giveitback.html

[Wizardspride]

Good read.

Among other things this dispels the notion the Russia investigation was based solely off the Steele dossier.

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— During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.

The information that Mr. Papadopoulos gave to the Australians answers one of the lingering mysteries of the past year: What so alarmed American officials to provoke the F.B.I. to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign months before the presidential election?

It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.

Once the information Mr. Papadopoulos had disclosed to the Australian diplomat reached the F.B.I., the bureau opened an investigation that became one of its most closely guarded secrets. Senior agents did not discuss it at the daily morning briefing, a classified setting where officials normally speak freely about highly sensitive operations.

Besides the information from the Australians, the investigation was also propelled by intelligence from other friendly governments, including the British and Dutch. A trip to Moscow by another adviser, Carter Page, also raised concerns at the F.B.I.

[FAH1223]

What is the most discriminated group religiously in the USA?
As far as I know they have zero representation in the House or Senate?
The likely answer would be Muslims but at least they have one representative!
This is the second largest group in religion in the USA!
They represent approximately 23% of Americans and are the fastest growing segment of the the religious society.
they are likely the segment of society which is most racially tolerant and religiously tolerant. They are the nonbelievers a group of atheists, agnostics and humanists. They have virtually no political clout. It is a segment of the population that has been ignored by political parties.

Lets take a Senate race in a State like Mississippi where 40 + % of the electorate is minorities which would go 95% + for a Democrat. 14% of the population is nonreligious and the 3rd most important religious group after Evangelistic Protestant and Historically Black Protestants. They are almost equal to Mainline Protestant and Catholics combined. They have never been recognized by either party as a potential strength. Obviously it could be a mistake to energize this demographic but is the upside better than than the downside?

Actually two! In addition to Keith Ellison, there's Andre Carson.

[cammac]

So, is this an opinion piece? I would say yes. I wouldn't say it belongs in the business section of the NY Times. I have been watching that section - which I would hope would be neutral - becoming very politicized. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/your-money/tax-break-giveitback.html

It's definitely a opinion piece and is politically motivated!
In these times every media outlook has a pony to ride and neutrality is out the window.
He is absolutely right that large corporations will use the windfall to buy back, give dividends or acquisitions. I find it strange thou for him to applaud a bank that has set a minimum wage at $15 since bank have historically decreased labor significantly.

I also find it strange for him to discriminate against Japanese or German cars? I know I bought a new car in fall looked at only Canadian assembled SUVs and selected a Lexus. Today it almost impossible to determine where a car is made unless you do a search on the net. A Ford, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes or a BMW could be made almost anywhere and will have parts from all over the world!

Many of his views are naive and really don't belong in a business section.

[stilldropin20]

http://robertreich.org

Almost one year in, it’s time for another update for Trump voters on his election promises:

1. He told you he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. You bought it. But his new tax law does the opposite. By 2027, according several nonpartisan analyses, the richest 1 percent will have got 83 percent of the tax cut and the richest 0.1 percent, 60 percent of it. As Trump told his wealthy friends at Mar-a-Lago just days after the tax bill became law, “You all just got a lot richer.”

2. He promised to close “special interest loopholes that have been so good for Wall Street investors but unfair to American workers,” especially the notorious “carried interest” loophole for private-equity, hedge fund, and real estate partners. You bought it. But the new tax law keeps the “carried interest” loophole.

3. He told you he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “beautiful.” You bought it. But he didn’t repeal and he didn’t replace. (Just as well: His plan would have knocked at least 23 million off health insurance, including many of you.) Instead, he’s doing what he can to cut it back and replace it with nothing. The new tax law will result in 13 million people losing health coverage, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

4. He told you he’d invest $1 trillion in our nation’ crumbling infrastructure. You bought it. But after his giant tax cut for corporations and millionaires, there’s no money left for infrastructure.

5. He said he’d clean the Washington swamp. You bought it. But he’s brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses, and he’s filled departments and agencies with former lobbyists, lawyers and consultants who are crafting new policies for the same industries they recently worked for.

6. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. But he has created the most dysfunctional, back-stabbing White House in modern history, and has already fired and replaced so many assistants (one of them hired and fired in a little more than a week) that people there barely know who’s in charge of what.

7. He told you he’d “bring down drug prices” by making deals with drug companies. You bought it. But now the White House says that promise is “inoperative.”

8. He promised “a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.” You bought it. But foreign lobbyists are still raising money for American elections.

9. He told you “I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.” You bought it. But he and House Speaker Paul Ryan are already planning such cuts in order to deal with the ballooning deficit created, in part, by the new tax law for corporations and the rich.

10. He promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit.” You bought it. But the giant tax cut for corporations and the rich doesn’t leave any money for this.

11. He said that on Day One he’d label China a “currency manipulator.” You bought it. But then he met with China’s president Xi Jinping and declared “China is not a currency manipulator.” Ever since then, Trump has been cozying up to Xi.

12. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. But then he bombed Syria.

13. He said he’d build a “wall” across the southern border. You believed him. But there’s no money for that, either. Chief of staff John Kelly says it is “unlikely that we will build a wall, a physical barrier, from sea to shining sea.”

14. He promised that the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” You bought it. He hasn’t sued them, presumably because he doesn’t want the truth to come out.

15. He said he would not be a president who took vacations. “I would not be a president that takes time off,” he promised, and he called Barack Obama “the vacationer-in-Chief.” You bought it. But since becoming President he has spent nearly 25 percent of his days at one of his golf properties for some portion of the day, according to Golf News Network, at a cost to taxpayers of over $77 million. That’s already more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama cost in the first 3 years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.

16. He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and that there would be “consequences” for companies that shipped jobs abroad. You believed him. But despite their promises, Carrier, Ford, GM, and the rest have continued to ship jobs to Mexico and China. Carrier (a division of United Technologies) has moved ahead with plans to send 1,000 jobs at its Indiana plant to Mexico. Notwithstanding, the federal government has rewarded United Technologies with 15 new contracts since Trump’s inauguration. Last year, Microsoft opened a new factory in Wilsonville, Oregon, that was supposed to herald a new era in domestic tech manufacturing. But in July, the company announced it was closing the plant. More than 100 workers and contractors will lose their jobs when production shifts to China. GE is sending jobs to Canada. IBM is sending them to Costa Rica, Egypt, Argentina, and Brazil. There have been no “consequences” for sending all these jobs overseas.

17. He promised to revive the struggling coal industry and “bring back thousands” of lost mining jobs. You bought it. But coal jobs continue to disappear. Since Trump’s victory, at least 6 plants that relied on coal have closed or announced they will close. Another 40 are projected to close during the president’s four-year term. Utilities continue to switch to natural gas instead of coal.

18. He promised to protect steel workers. But according to the American Iron and Steel Institute, which tracks shipments, steel imports were 19.4 percent higher in the first 10 months of 2017 than in the same period last year. That import surge has hurt American steel workers, who were already struggling against a glut of cheap Chinese steel. For example, ArcelorMittal just announced it will soon lay off 150 of its 207 steel workers at its plant in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania.

19. He said he’d make America safer. You believed him. But according to Mass Shooting Tracker, there have been 377 mass shootings so far this year, including 58 people killed and hundreds injured at a concert in Las Vegas, and 26 churchgoers killed and 20 injured at a church in Texas. Trump refuses to consider any gun controls.

20. He said he’d release his taxes. “I’m under a routine audit and it’ll be released, and as soon as the audit is finished it will be released,“ he promised during the campaign. He hasn’t released his taxes

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[stilldropin20]

Good read.

Among other things this dispels the notion the Russia investigation was based solely off the Steele dossier.

Read on Twitter

— During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.

The information that Mr. Papadopoulos gave to the Australians answers one of the lingering mysteries of the past year: What so alarmed American officials to provoke the F.B.I. to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign months before the presidential election?

It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.

Once the information Mr. Papadopoulos had disclosed to the Australian diplomat reached the F.B.I., the bureau opened an investigation that became one of its most closely guarded secrets. Senior agents did not discuss it at the daily morning briefing, a classified setting where officials normally speak freely about highly sensitive operations.

Besides the information from the Australians, the investigation was also propelled by intelligence from other friendly governments, including the British and Dutch. A trip to Moscow by another adviser, Carter Page, also raised concerns at the F.B.I.

do you even realize how silly is this crap you are peddling? Rather do you even realize how silly is this stuff the (former OBama appointed) FBI is peddling. and you are buying?

here. let's break it down.

Some 30 year old douchebag gets drunk in a bar while trying to be cool and hanging out in london. perhaps he is thereon "business" lol. And this guy has never done business with the trumps in any way shape or form. and this is a billionaire family with the patriarch running for the president of the united states. And this douchebag gets drunk and starts running off at the mouth about some crap he may or may not have over heard...

and you want me to believe that the FBI felt this was truly worthy of an investigation???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Seriously??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I mean dont get me wrong...at this point that is all the legs Mccabe and Strzok likely have to stand on. Do you not see how weak that is???????????????????????

Looks to me like the Obama (aka clinton) DOJ(strzok, mccabe, lynch, comey, and perhaps Obama himself) were desperate to cook up an investigation on trump...who was the GOP nominee for christ's sake!!!!!!!!!! and found the weakest of grounds it could find to cook up such an investigation. They were desperate to get some dirt on trump via a weaponized DOJ. Hoping they would find something, anything to prevent him from winning. I mean the keystone cops down the street will wait for more grounds to launch an investigation and you are talking about the highest police force in the land. and they used this crap to get a FISA WARRANT!!!!!!!!!! a freaking Fisa warrant!!!!!!!!!

Surely you jest, Brofessor.



Furthermore...what absolutely rediculous is that this same FBI "kept it to themeselves and out of the daily briefings!!!!!!!! are you phucking kidding me!!!!!!!! July 2016 (mid election) "ugh, Mr. president Obama we have an all out survailance on the trump election camapign but we are not going to tell you about it!!!!" Bull...effing...shxt!!!! Obama didn't know about it!!!! Bull effing shxt!!!

wizardspride, you may be all about your liberal ideology. and you have said so. You have said. that you support your liberal ideology. right or wrong. you dont care. you said you are "an unapologetic liberal." And that is fine with me. Support your cause. But seriously? this bullshixt? What da hell you tryin to sell us, man??

Wizardspride, You are better off Just saying this: "Here is some complete crap from the FBI as to how they are spinning up their Bullshxt reasons for illegally surveilling the GOP nominee for president 4 months before the election."

[stilldropin20]

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[Wizardspride]

Good read.

Among other things this dispels the notion the Russia investigation was based solely off the Steele dossier.

Read on Twitter

— During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.

The information that Mr. Papadopoulos gave to the Australians answers one of the lingering mysteries of the past year: What so alarmed American officials to provoke the F.B.I. to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign months before the presidential election?

It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.

Once the information Mr. Papadopoulos had disclosed to the Australian diplomat reached the F.B.I., the bureau opened an investigation that became one of its most closely guarded secrets. Senior agents did not discuss it at the daily morning briefing, a classified setting where officials normally speak freely about highly sensitive operations.

Besides the information from the Australians, the investigation was also propelled by intelligence from other friendly governments, including the British and Dutch. A trip to Moscow by another adviser, Carter Page, also raised concerns at the F.B.I.

do you even realize how silly is this crap you are peddling? Rather do you even realize how silly is this stuff the (former OBama appointed) FBI is peddling. and you are buying?

here. let's break it down.

Some 30 year old douchebag gets drunk in a bar while trying to be cool and hanging out in london. perhaps he is thereon "business" lol. And this guy has never done business with the trumps in any way shape or form. and this is a billionaire family with the patriarch running for the president of the united states. And this douchebag gets drunk and starts running off at the mouth about some crap he may or may not have over heard...

and you want me to believe that the FBI felt this was truly worthy of an investigation???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Seriously??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I mean dont get me wrong...at this point that is all the legs Mccabe and Strzok likely have to stand on. Do you not see how weak that is???????????????????????

Looks to me like the Obama (aka clinton) DOJ(strzok, mccabe, lynch, comey, and perhaps Obama himself) were desperate to cook up an investigation on trump...who was the GOP nominee for christ's sake!!!!!!!!!! and found the weakest of grounds it could find to cook up such an investigation. They were desperate to get some dirt on trump via a weaponized DOJ. Hoping they would find something, anything to prevent him from winning. I mean the keystone cops down the street will wait for more grounds to launch an investigation and you are talking about the highest police force in the land. and they used this crap to get a FISA WARRANT!!!!!!!!!! a freaking Fisa warrant!!!!!!!!!

Surely you jest, Brofessor.



Furthermore...what absolutely rediculous is that this same FBI "kept it to themeselves and out of the daily briefings!!!!!!!! are you phucking kidding me!!!!!!!! July 2016 (mid election) "ugh, Mr. president Obama we have an all out survailance on the trump election camapign but we are not going to tell you about it!!!!" Bull...effing...shxt!!!! Obama didn't know about it!!!! Bull effing shxt!!!

wizardspride, you may be all about your liberal ideology. and you have said so. You have said. that you support your liberal ideology. right or wrong. you dont care. you said you are "an unapologetic liberal." And that is fine with me. Support your cause. But seriously? this bullshixt? What da hell you tryin to sell us, man??

Wizardspride, You are better off Just saying this: "Here is some complete crap from the FBI as to how they are spinning up their Bullshxt reasons for illegally surveilling the GOP nominee for president 4 months before the election."

Yep. An unapologetic liberal. Just as you're an unapologetic conservative.

You added the "right or wrong" in there. I've never said that.

And as for what I'm trying to sell?

I'm not trying to "sell you anything".

What are you trying to sell us when you make your posts?




Random observation: For someone who is all about the exchange of info you sure get all bent out of shape when anything slightly negative is uttered about Trump.

[cammac]

The Luddite President tweets about global warming because of the cold spell in Eastern North America as his defense of global warming is a hoax. Unfortunately as in everything else he is completely off base.

The northward surge in the jet stream around Alaska means temperatures are actually warmer there than normal. This northward movement of the jet stream around Alaska then caused another section of it to dip into the Eastern US. As a consequence, freezing air around Hudson Bay is descending southward. Brrr.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/28/16827022/climate-change-cold-arctic-snap-us-canada-jet-stream

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/america-2018-record-temperatures_us_5a466262e4b06d1621b84188

[cammac]

SD20's criticism of the Steele papers are deplorably simple minded. Too him its a Democratic, DOJ and FBI against Hair President. The Steele papers were started by Republicans in fact it was Congressman Nunes biggest donor who is a appalling sycophant of Trump.

The Australian Diplomat who gave the information about George Papadopoulos is under obligation to share that type of information with the USA. Australia, NZ, Canada, UK and USA do have a interconnected information gathering network to share intelligence. Yes the Democratic Party did pick up the investigation. Much of which has proved creditable and still parts speculative.

Even SD20 must be troubled with the Trump NYT's interview which was basically incoherent and rambling. But then again it also resembles much of your tirades where you lose focus.

[cammac]

White Fish Montana
Let me start with this qualifier that I'm quite sure the town has a majority of very good people and the City Fathers made this statement.

“The city of Whitefish repudiates the ideas and ideology of the founder of the so-called alt-right as a direct affront to our community’s core values and principles. The city of Whitefish rejects racism and bigotry in all its forms and expressions.”

But the little town of 6500 does have a interesting cast of characters.
Richard Spenser...............NAZI,KKK,ALT Right organizer of Charlottesville Right Win Protests
Chuck Baldwin, a radical-right extremist minister who preaches Islamophobia, anti-Semitism and homophobia among other strains of hate.
Zinke the Trump Secretary of Interior who is extremely controversial.
Eric Prince the Brother of Betsy DeVos and head of Blackwater who wants to set up a PRIVATE CIA for Trump.
White Fish Energy a 2 man company that got a $300 million contract in Puerto Rico
This is a interesting read but some obviously is speculative but it does seem that the town has a extremely interesting cast of characters.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/30/1728022/-Why-Is-A-Tiny-Town-Of-6-500-The-Nexus-For-Neo-Nazis-The-White-House-And-An-End-Run-Around-The-CIA

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SD20's criticism of the Steele papers are deplorably simple minded. Too him its a Democratic, DOJ and FBI against Hair President. The Steele papers were started by Republicans in fact it was Congressman Nunes biggest donor who is a appalling sycophant of Trump.

The Australian Diplomat who gave the information about George Papadopoulos is under obligation to share that type of information with the USA. Australia, NZ, Canada, UK and USA do have a interconnected information gathering network to share intelligence. Yes the Democratic Party did pick up the investigation. Much of which has proved creditable and still parts speculative.

Even SD20 must be troubled with the Trump NYT's interview which was basically incoherent and rambling. But then again it also resembles much of your tirades where you lose focus.

Here's the thing. I truly am attempting to come to a place where we all mostly agree. On some sort of factual basis of history. Both near and ancient. Because in that history we can figure things out.

Because I truly want to continue to believe in the human spirit of . That as a human race we can uncover the darkness that has made most human being easily manipulated.

And im quite flabbergasted that the ten of us posting in this thread can't come to some type of agreements or conclusions that are consistent with each other.

We should be able to do that. And if we cannot then how can we expect our politicians do that for us?

We should work on that. I think it would give more meaning to all the posting we do here.

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[cammac]

SD20's criticism of the Steele papers are deplorably simple minded. Too him its a Democratic, DOJ and FBI against Hair President. The Steele papers were started by Republicans in fact it was Congressman Nunes biggest donor who is a appalling sycophant of Trump.

The Australian Diplomat who gave the information about George Papadopoulos is under obligation to share that type of information with the USA. Australia, NZ, Canada, UK and USA do have a interconnected information gathering network to share intelligence. Yes the Democratic Party did pick up the investigation. Much of which has proved creditable and still parts speculative.

Even SD20 must be troubled with the Trump NYT's interview which was basically incoherent and rambling. But then again it also resembles much of your tirades where you lose focus.

Here's the thing. I truly am attempting to come to a place where we all mostly agree. On some sort of factual basis of history. Both near and ancient. Because in that history we can figure things out.

Because I truly want to continue to believe in the human spirit of . That as a human race we can uncover the darkness that has made most human being easily manipulated.

And im quite flabbergasted that the ten of us posting in this thread can't come to some type of agreements or conclusions that are consistent with each other.

We should be able to do that. And if we cannot then how can we expect our politicians do that for us?

We should work on that. I think it would give more meaning to all the posting we do here.

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You come from a alien universe that is both bizarre and without a modicum of common sense. The reality is most of the Democratic World and Countries have aliened themselves against Donald Trump as a unpredictable and incoherent leader. You postulate conspiracy theories that right minded people feel are both foolish and racist.

I'm a Capitalist, Conservative Fiscally, Socially Liberal and a believer that the USA has the ability to right its "Ship of State". It might be a great idea to take a trip around the world see different retrospectives. Frankly you exhibit many of the Trumpian qualities rambling dialogue, narcissistic, egomaniac and absolutely no social conscious.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/30/1728716/-Did-Trump-now-about-Australia-s-spy-agency-notifying-the-FBI-from-the-start

[Pointgod]

SD20's criticism of the Steele papers are deplorably simple minded. Too him its a Democratic, DOJ and FBI against Hair President. The Steele papers were started by Republicans in fact it was Congressman Nunes biggest donor who is a appalling sycophant of Trump.

The Australian Diplomat who gave the information about George Papadopoulos is under obligation to share that type of information with the USA. Australia, NZ, Canada, UK and USA do have a interconnected information gathering network to share intelligence. Yes the Democratic Party did pick up the investigation. Much of which has proved creditable and still parts speculative.

Even SD20 must be troubled with the Trump NYT's interview which was basically incoherent and rambling. But then again it also resembles much of your tirades where you lose focus.

Here's the thing. I truly am attempting to come to a place where we all mostly agree. On some sort of factual basis of history. Both near and ancient. Because in that history we can figure things out.

Because I truly want to continue to believe in the human spirit of . That as a human race we can uncover the darkness that has made most human being easily manipulated.

And im quite flabbergasted that the ten of us posting in this thread can't come to some type of agreements or conclusions that are consistent with each other.

We should be able to do that. And if we cannot then how can we expect our politicians do that for us?

We should work on that. I think it would give more meaning to all the posting we do here.

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You come from a alien universe that is both bizarre and without a modicum of common sense. The reality is most of the Democratic World and Countries have aliened themselves against Donald Trump as a unpredictable and incoherent leader. You postulate conspiracy theories that right minded people feel are both foolish and racist.

I'm a Capitalist, Conservative Fiscally, Socially Liberal and a believer that the USA has the ability to right its "Ship of State". It might be a great idea to take a trip around the world see different retrospectives. Frankly you exhibit many of the Trumpian qualities rambling dialogue, narcissistic, egomaniac and absolutely no social conscious.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/30/1728716/-Did-Trump-now-about-Australia-s-spy-agency-notifying-the-FBI-from-the-start

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Here's the thing. I truly am attempting to come to a place where we all mostly agree. On some sort of factual basis of history. Both near and ancient. Because in that history we can figure things out.

Because I truly want to continue to believe in the human spirit of . That as a human race we can uncover the darkness that has made most human being easily manipulated.

And im quite flabbergasted that the ten of us posting in this thread can't come to some type of agreements or conclusions that are consistent with each other.

We should be able to do that. And if we cannot then how can we expect our politicians do that for us?

We should work on that. I think it would give more meaning to all the posting we do here.

Sent from my SM-N920T using RealGM mobile app

You come from a alien universe that is both bizarre and without a modicum of common sense. The reality is most of the Democratic World and Countries have aliened themselves against Donald Trump as a unpredictable and incoherent leader. You postulate conspiracy theories that right minded people feel are both foolish and racist.

I'm a Capitalist, Conservative Fiscally, Socially Liberal and a believer that the USA has the ability to right its "Ship of State". It might be a great idea to take a trip around the world see different retrospectives. Frankly you exhibit many of the Trumpian qualities rambling dialogue, narcissistic, egomaniac and absolutely no social conscious.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/30/1728716/-Did-Trump-now-about-Australia-s-spy-agency-notifying-the-FBI-from-the-start

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Australia is part the 5 eyes (Australia, NZ, Canada, UK & USA) and have a vested interest and obligation to share intelligence with each other. The interesting thing is that the FBI started the investigation 2 months before the Steeles Files. How much information other countries have given the FBI is obviously unknown.

[cammac]

Happy New Years to everyone!
This is obviously a big year in politics in the USA with midterms in both the House & Senate!
But likely just as important in Governors races with 36 to be decided. Currently the Republicans hold 33 and Democrats with 16 + 1 Independent.
Is 2018 also the year of the Woman? The Republicans have had difficulty in recruiting women candidates and some of those who have seats are in jeopardy. In the house the Democrats have 63 women of 198 members for about 32% of the caucus and the Republicans 22 out of 239 members for 9% of the caucus. In 270 to win 9 Republican Congress women are listed competitive house races or retired.
The Senate is similar with Democrats having 14 of 49 Senators and with Republicans 6 of 51 Senators.
While many of the polls just give base numbers looking at a recent poll by Quinnipiac is quite revealing with white college educated women 29% approve of Trump and 66% disapprove in white women overall across age groups 34% approve of Trump and 62% disapprove. The only demographic that still supports Trump is white men 55% to 42% and then only with men with high school or less.
Obviously there is 9 months to go till the midterms and the Democrats do hold a 13 point advantage over the Republicans currently. Plus the added fact is that more women vote than men which makes them a very important demographic.

[Wizardspride]

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