The Troy Brown Thread

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Grant blocked me, but what triggered me was the passive aggressive shot at Wall. Grant has been in the business for years, so he knew exactly what he was doing. I just told him to stick to stuff that he knows about b/c there's a good chance Grant hasn't seen a ton of Wizards games over the years. What gets me is that no one, not even us knew about this kid a week ago. He does two radio spots and the tone is now "is Wall a leader?" or "is this Beal's team now since he reached out?" It's ridiculous.

[NatP4]

I’m just happy to see Beal reach out to him. He’s always had leadership traits, maybe he’s starting to show it.

[gtn130]

Grant blocked me, but what triggered me was the passive aggressive shot at Wall. Grant has been in the business for years, so he knew exactly what he was doing. I just told him to stick to stuff that he knows about b/c there's a good chance Grant hasn't seen a ton of Wizards games over the years. What gets me is that no one, not even us knew about this kid a week ago. He does two radio spots and the tone is now "is Wall a leader?" or "is this Beal's team now since he reached out?" It's ridiculous.

Grant Paulsen is a clown. He's hyper sensitive to anyone disagreeing with him and thinks he's far more of an expert than he actually is. His stanning for Kirk Cousins was an unbelievable embarrassment. His analysis of Kirk Cousins from a football perspective was comical.

The reason people like Danny is that he embraces being an everyman who is funny and likable instead of Grant, the guy who distributes Very Serious Sports Takes that are actually garbage even if you want that type of thing from a rando radio host with zero credibility.

Also anyone who watches every pro sport BUT the NBA is a highly questionable person.

[DCZards]

I'd be thrilled to see Beal become the Zards real leader. He showed flashes of it when Wall was out last season. You'd especially see it during timeouts.

I love Wall's game but I'm not a fan of his leadership.

[Dark Faze]

Finally doing a deep dive after being enraged out of my mind the last week.

I do like his tape now that I really look at him. In fact I was somewhat surprised by it. He's arguably got better handle than anyone on the roster sans Wall as an 18 year old. One thing I like about his highlights is that his scoring range is the whole court. He can dribble into any shot, be it mid range, a layup, or a three. Seems to show no hesitancy to attack the rim and doesn't shy away from contact there. Has strong versatility in terms of ways to finish at the rim--reverse layups, skilled finger rolls to the rim or backboard while taking contact, etc--just strong ball control in every aspect which is huge for a scorer. Very comfortable with a pull-up jumper.Keeps dribble alive going to rim for finish. Free throw percentage gives high hope for becoming a decent enough shooter in combination with form. He's got a bit of that T-Mac, Kobe form on his three that I think is hindering him a bit--typical for guys who can get a shot off so easy--it's a bit exaggerated as a result but can be tightened up for catch and shoot.

Weird thing: He and Kelly had the same height at the combine, with Kelly having a longer wingspan--and yet Brown had the better standing reach...wtf?

Would be nice if he could get up to 6'8 in shoes on top of working hard in the weight room--that'd put him in a great spot. High chance it happens given his age.

Rare to see prospects like him. Legit two way guy with strong size and handle. Guys with his scoring are usually horrific defenders or have bad measurements, or are quite frankly dumb. He seems intelligent, can defend--quite frankly he checks a lot of boxes.

Biggest concern or question I'd have for him is why he didn't shoot more. Was it just about stepping on toes? He looks like he should have put up 15 a game pretty easily with his tools.

[prime1time]

Finally doing a deep dive after being enraged out of my mind the last week.

I do like his tape now that I really look at him. In fact I was somewhat surprised by it. He's arguably got better handle than anyone on the roster sans Wall as an 18 year old. One thing I like about his highlights is that his scoring range is the whole court. He can dribble into any shot, be it mid range, a layup, or a three. Seems to show no hesitancy to attack the rim and doesn't shy away from contact there. Has strong versatility in terms of ways to finish at the rim--reverse layups, skilled finger rolls to the rim or backboard while taking contact, etc--just strong ball control in every aspect which is huge for a scorer. Very comfortable with a pull-up jumper.Keeps dribble alive going to rim for finish. Free throw percentage gives high hope for becoming a decent enough shooter in combination with form. He's got a bit of that T-Mac, Kobe form on his three that I think is hindering him a bit--typical for guys who can get a shot off so easy--it's a bit exaggerated as a result but can be tightened up for catch and shoot.

Weird thing: He and Kelly had the same height at the combine, with Kelly having a longer wingspan--and yet Brown had the better standing reach...wtf?

Would be nice if he could get up to 6'8 in shoes on top of working hard in the weight room--that'd put him in a great spot. High chance it happens given his age.

Rare to see prospects like him. Legit two way guy with strong size and handle. Guys with his scoring are usually horrific defenders or have bad measurements, or are quite frankly dumb. He seems intelligent, can defend--quite frankly he checks a lot of boxes.

Biggest concern or question I'd have for him is why he didn't shoot more. Was it just about stepping on toes? He looks like he should have put up 15 a game pretty easily with his tools.

I noticed the same thing with regard to wingspan and standing reach. I think it's because his shoulders are more narrow than broad. Shoulders tend to slope down so the decrease in wingspan is replaced with an increase in standing reach. One thing that this board should realize is that Troy Brown is from Las Vegas, so it'll be highly telling to see how he performs on the Wiz Summer league.

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As far as him not scoring more, I'd have to watch some full games to really understand. My guess is that he plays like Otto. Doesn't really force things. Tries to take good shots and be part of the offense. I'm excited to see him grow with the guys we have in place. Also, if he continues to grow he could end up being a major steal. 6'8 or 6'9 would be amazing given his skillset.

[NatP4]

In his press conference the first thing he said about his game was that his best strength is helping the team without ever having to force anything.

[gtn130]

Yes if Troy Brown grows two more inches we should be in great shape lol

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Is this the same group of guys that WizardsDynasty plays against?

[NatP4]

As a freshman at KU, Paul Pierce shot 42% overall and 30% from 3.

Pierce: 18-8-3-2 42/30/60

Brown: 14-8-4-2 44/29/74

[gtn130]

As a freshman at KU, Paul Pierce shot 42% overall and 30% from 3.

Pierce: 18-8-3-2 42/30/60

Brown: 14-8-4-2 44/29/74

Wow, incredible. You may want to take a seat before you dive into the Jimmer Fredette / Steph Curry college numbers.

[dckingsfan]

Yes if Troy Brown grows two more inches we should be in great shape lol

And if he grows 4 - yikes!

[gtn130]

Yes if Troy Brown grows two more inches we should be in great shape lol

And if he grows 4 - yikes!

The possibilities are really endless here. If he grows four more inches he'll be the next Anthony Davis. I'm ready.

[gtn130]

If Troy Brown grows 10 more inches he will be a more skilled and versatile Yao Ming. Think about that.

[NatP4]

If Troy Brown grows 10 more inches he will be a more skilled and versatile Yao Ming. Think about that.

And the warriors will be able to use the full MLE and have a 500 million $ payroll!!!!!!

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The Post article is behind a paywall, but I speculate that it says he is really good & will surprise with the many things he does that people don't know he can do.

& that the Wizards FO put a lot of high-value thinking & analysis into the decision to take him. People should not be misled by the paper donkey taped to the wall w/ the tail pinned onto its eye.

More seriously, like everyone else here, I hope Troy knocks it out of the park. & by no means do I count him out of doing just that.

[80sballboy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2018/06/26/troy-brown-jr-s-point-guard-past-should-help-his-future-with-the-wizards/?utm_term=.b3b386a2cd9e

Only two years ago, Troy Brown Jr. was a rising high school senior navigating the hectic world of recruiting. Aside from picking between college basketball’s elite programs, Brown was weighing another major decision. Despite being ranked as the second-best preps point guard in the class of 2017, excelling in the role as an oversized playmaker for his Las Vegas high school and AAU team, Brown made a choice that would alter his basketball future.

During his last summer on the AAU circuit, Brown requested to play off the ball, setting a course to becoming the 6-foot-7 wing that is the object of the Washington Wizards’ affection.

Last Thursday, the Wizards drafted Brown 15th overall and justified picking the 18-year-old forward due to his vast skill set from playing on the wing, ballhandling and his ability to create for teammates. Brown possesses this versatility because he was groomed as one of the best prep point guards in the country, but developed beyond his natural position.

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“Just being that versatile, all-around player really helps me a lot because I can kind of squeeze in anywhere as a player,” Brown has said about his game.

After his June 11 workout in Washington, Brown told reporters that he prefers having the ball in his hands to set up others. The playmaker instinct remains inside his basketball DNA; after all, it wasn’t that long ago when Brown was molding his game after 6-7 point guard Penny Hardaway and Magic Johnson, who at 6-9 revolutionized modern basketball for big point guards.

In the summer of 2016, Brown was fresh off an all-American season as a high school junior in which he averaged 19.0 points, 9.5 rebounds and 6.3 assists, according to statistics reported by the Las Vegas Journal-Review. Recruiters likely expected Brown to continue this same do-everything role for his Las Vegas Prospects AAU team once the national tournament schedule picked up. Instead, Brown expanded his game by giving up the majority of the lead guard duties.


“It actually started his last year in AAU bringing him off the ball,” said Anthony Brown, who coached the Prospects. “We wanted him to do so much and having the ball in his hands all the time was wearing him down. So we brought in another little guard to relieve pressure.

“Matter of fact, he suggested it to us,” Brown continued. “So it wasn’t something we brought to him.”

Though Troy Brown was a five-star recruit, he did not play on the ball while participating in camps and tournaments with the junior national team. By the time Brown landed at the University of Oregon, he started at small forward and occasionally handled the ball.

The Oregon experience showed flashes of Brown’s potential — as well as room for growth. During a December matchup against Portland State, Brown recorded a season-best nine assists while flirting with a triple-double (10 points, 10 rebounds). But Brown also committed a team-worst 86 turnovers over the course of his one and only season. This statistic didn’t trip up the Wizards, and the team selected Brown over other wings and guards who had been projected as lottery picks. When it came time to draft a young prospect, Brown’s ability to do more around the court proved more attractive to Washington.


“The more versatile you are and the more positions you play and the better the skill set, the better the chances of helping somebody,” the team President Ernie Grunfeld said while referencing Brown’s chances to log minutes in his rookie season. “The game is changing. The game is much different than it used to be. It’s almost positionless basketball. There’s a lot of switching and a lot of skill is involved in the game now and we feel like he’s a skilled player and multidimensional player.”

Anthony Brown, who works as Troy Brown’s manager but is not related to the family, framed the transition into becoming a point-forward — or truly, a wing player — as an asset for the young player in the next phase of his career.

“I think the experience at Oregon has showed him that he can do multiple things and he makes winning plays,” he said. “So if the Wizards say, ‘Troy, we need you to be on the ball,’ I can do that. ‘Troy, we need you to be on the wing,’ I can do that. ‘Troy, we need you go to guard the four,’ I can do that. What it made him was versatile. It made him a Swiss Army knife. He’s ready for almost anything. He’s ready. He’s prepared, because he has the mind-set: ‘Okay, you need me to do this? I can do that. If I don’t know how to do it, I’ll come in and learn. I’ll put in the work.’”