Political Roundtable Part XXV

[payitforward]

If you're interested, & obviously I think a person should be, here's his book on the subject (& related). Google provides a substantial number of pages in a preview: https://books.google.com/books/about/Utopia_for_Realists.html?id=auJzDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

& this more recent talk as well:

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Watch this unaired Fox segment -- it's a stitch!

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[popper]

As I mentioned before, I think it will come down to who scares suburban voters (especially women) more, Trump or D nominee. There’s no question the midterms revealed a deep fear and disgust with Trump. It’s D’s election to lose IMO.

what about the dem's platform scares suburban voters? are you characterizing global warming, soaring education costs coupled with degree inflation, and a broken health care system as scary?

bc it's fairly obvious that trump's 2016 platform was built on demonizing hillary and terrorism/immigration scaremongering but i've never really heard dem platforms as scary.

genuinely curious, not being snarky.

edit: is russian probe scaremongering?

I think it’s possible M4A might scare suburbanites. D’s rely on federal, state and municipal employees for votes but they already have outstanding insurance and might fear exchanging it for a govt run program. Tens of millions of private sector employees might also fear exchanging their employer provided insurance as well.

Germany is struggling with much higher energy costs due to their climate change policies and the yellow vests in France have reacted with a vengeance to similar proposals to combat climate change. I have no idea whether the eventual D nominee will embrace higher energy costs or to what degree but the potential for fear is there.

D’s support of open borders where we welcome poor, under-educated and undocumented emigrants might scare some significant number of suburbanites as well.

This is all speculation of course. People are motivated by self interest and fear and my point was that the only way an unpopular Trump could possibly win is if a D nominee scares them more than Trump does.

[DCZards]

D’s support of open borders where we welcome poor, under-educated and undocumented emigrants might scare some significant number of suburbanites as well.

This is all speculation of course. People are motivated by self interest and fear and my point was that the only way an unpopular Trump could possibly win is if a D nominee scares them more than Trump does.

I doubt that most educated suburbanites are buying Trump's fear-mongering and his efforts to turn immigrants into the boogey-man. Polls show that #45's gullible core are the only ones drinking that Kool-Aid..

I dare say that most suburbanites are more fearful of the crazed teenager who lives next door and has easy access to his father's arsenal of automatic weapons and other guns.

[pancakes3]

i just found the verb "scare" to be an interesting way to characterize things. scaring a kid into eating his vegetables by telling him the boogeyman will get him uses a lie to force the kid to do something. i wouldn't say that explaining to a kid that they need to eat their vegetables because of nutrition reasons constitutes scaring.

as for the suburbanite who's afraid of brown people? i think that does exist, and is predicated on latent racism. trump has learned to pivot from messaging that immigrants are terrorists (muslim ban), to hispanic immigrants are taking our jobs (baseline resonance), to hispanic immigrants are rapists, and landed on that hispanic immigrants are drug runners.

the drug narrative has really struck a nerve as it coincides with the opiod epidemic.

[Pointgod]

Democrats support open borders. You have to be a complete moron to believe this dribble.

[Pointgod]

I don't see any reason to make any proclamations about Bernie (or anyone) based on 2016 results. Hillary isn't running. The primary isn't Hillary vs Bernie.

If Bernie wins the nomination, he'll be going against Trump in 2020, not in 2016.

Yeah Bernie isn’t going up against Hillary, 30 years of right wing propaganda and Russian operatives. This will be a completely different election considering there will be more people running and more left leaning candidates. It’s interesting what happens when the votes start to split and candidates exit the race and start throwing support behind other candidates not named Bernie Sanders.

[pancakes3]

color me optimistic that primary drama will just news cycle fodder, and it won't be an issue come election time. if dems seriously sit at home bc their particular primary candidate doesn't get tapped then good riddance to both parties and we should just embrace the crap government that we deserve.

[Pointgod]

color me optimistic that primary drama will just news cycle fodder, and it won't be an issue come election time. if dems seriously sit at home bc their particular primary candidate doesn't get tapped then good riddance to both parties and we should just embrace the crap government that we deserve.

Well let’s hope there are more adults this time around and less idiots sitting out or leaving the top of the ballots open.

[popper]

Democrats support open borders. You have to be a complete moron to believe this dribble.

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

[JWizmentality]

If you're interested, & obviously I think a person should be, here's his book on the subject (& related). Google provides a substantial number of pages in a preview: https://books.google.com/books/about/Utopia_for_Realists.html?id=auJzDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

& this more recent talk as well:

Watch on YouTube

Watch this unaired Fox segment -- it's a stitch!

Watch on YouTube

Careful, conservatives around these parts consider Tucker one of the greatest "journalists" of our time.

[JWizmentality]

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Geez, they've been saying this forever. How about let the man finish it when he's good and ready. I don't think it's anywhere close to being complete.

[DCZards]

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

Popper...have you been asleep? People are moving INTO our great cities...and property values are skyrocketing. Have you not heard the word "gentrification." It's happening all over the country.

Millennials and others increasingly want to live in our great cities--not suburban and rural areas--and often side-by-side with immigrants of color. Diversity is cool!

The population of DC has grown from around 600,000 in 2010 to around 710,000 today.

[closg00]

Very suspicious timing, as-soon as Barr walks-through the door, Mueller is closing-up shop with plenty of looses ends. I suspect he has been ordered to report on if there is anything on Trump, if no, Trump pardons the lot of them, this would explain Manafort holding out.

[payitforward]

Democrats support open borders. You have to be a complete moron to believe this dribble.

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

& I won't call you a moron either, popper, "but it's clear you're not very bright." For starters, you don't know thing one about California (how are property values doing in SF, btw?). Above all your source for pretty much anything you write is some concocted right-wing fable -- "concocted" for you to quote as if it were some metaphysical truth.

As to the idea that Democrats want open borders, because (I take it this is what you mean) Hispanics will flood across those borders, settle in, & vote them into power -- that's easily the single stupidest thing I've ever read about politics here written by anyone other than "stildropin..."

Painful too, as I had you in mind as at least a reasonable human being. No, you are a consumer of scare-fables.

[Pointgod]

If you're interested, & obviously I think a person should be, here's his book on the subject (& related). Google provides a substantial number of pages in a preview: https://books.google.com/books/about/Utopia_for_Realists.html?id=auJzDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

& this more recent talk as well:

Watch on YouTube

Watch this unaired Fox segment -- it's a stitch!

Watch on YouTube

Careful, conservatives around these parts consider Tucker one of the greatest "journalists" of our time.

Not to mention a certain Glenn Greenwald stan who conveniently never answers the fact that he’s Glenn is a regular on Tucker’s show.

[Pointgod]

Democrats support open borders. You have to be a complete moron to believe this dribble.

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

I’ll keep this short because other people have addressed your bull but you have no clue what open borders actually means and you’re just regurgitating right wing talking points. Like I said if you believe Democrats actually want open borders (Republicans actually love taking advantage of cheap labor, just see your hero Trump) then you are unequivocally a moron.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't know what Democratic candidate I'd prefer in '20, but I am not particularly interested in either Biden or Sanders. They're both too old.

Yeah. I'd add Warren to the list, too. Though I do think Warren exposed a flaw of Bernie's with ber proposal for universal child care. To me, provided financing is done right, it's a no brainer as it attacks the pay gap, promoted gender equality and is quietly a great way to attempt to reduce abortions. Of course, those who are anti-abortion hate it because they feel abstinence and criminalization are solutions that will magically work somehow. And it never quite resonates with leftest men very well, who find ways of steering the conversation towards the rich and things like free health care or free college education.

[popper]

Democrats support open borders. You have to be a complete moron to believe this dribble.

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

& I won't call you a moron either, popper, "but it's clear you're not very bright." For starters, you don't know thing one about California (how are property values doing in SF, btw?). Above all your source for pretty much anything you write is some concocted right-wing fable -- "concocted" for you to quote as if it were some metaphysical truth.

As to the idea that Democrats want open borders, because (I take it this is what you mean) Hispanics will flood across those borders, settle in, & vote them into power -- that's easily the single stupidest thing I've ever read about politics here written by anyone other than "stildropin..."

Popper response below ..

I’m curious how you conclude “I don’t know one thing about CA”. For starters it’s pure speculation on your part as well as an uninformed start to your post PIF. I’ve lived there and still have a half dozen family members spread from Davis to San Diego. Are property values your measuring stick for how well a municipality is doing? I hope not because I can easily name dozens of cities around the world with high or rising property values ruled by murderous totalitarian regimes with environmental conditions so polluted that no one would ever live there if they could earn the same living elsewhere.

Regarding your comment that “my source for anything I write is concocted right-wing fable” is comical. See recent SF media reports of major medical conference cancellation due to disgusting SF street conditions. These are not right wing sources PIF. Also download the app that identifies where piles of sh*t are dropped on the streets. They actually have a hot line where SF residents call to report such piles. And of course a full time team of govt sh#t picker uppers is deployed. Check out the typhus issues in LA. I’m not concocting metaphysical truth PIF but just relaying what the liberal CA media is reporting.

I’m sorry that you and others don’t see D leadership’s vested interest in open borders as it relates to gaining and sustaining power but eventually you’ll get it.

[Doug_Blew]

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

& I won't call you a moron either, popper, "but it's clear you're not very bright." For starters, you don't know thing one about California (how are property values doing in SF, btw?). Above all your source for pretty much anything you write is some concocted right-wing fable -- "concocted" for you to quote as if it were some metaphysical truth.

As to the idea that Democrats want open borders, because (I take it this is what you mean) Hispanics will flood across those borders, settle in, & vote them into power -- that's easily the single stupidest thing I've ever read about politics here written by anyone other than "stildropin..."

Popper response below ..

I’m curious how you conclude “I don’t know one thing about CA”. For starters it’s pure speculation on your part as well as an uninformed start to your post PIF. I’ve lived there and still have a half dozen family members spread from Davis to San Diego. Are property values your measuring stick for how well a municipality is doing? I hope not because I can easily name dozens of cities around the world with high or rising property values ruled by murderous totalitarian regimes with environmental conditions so polluted that no one would ever live there if they could earn the same living elsewhere.

Regarding your comment that “my source for anything I write is concocted right-wing fable” is comical. See recent SF media reports of major medical conference cancellation due to disgusting SF street conditions. These are not right wing sources PIF. Also download the app that identifies where piles of sh*t are dropped on the streets. They actually have a hot line where SF residents call to report such piles. And of course a full time team of govt sh#t picker uppers is deployed. Check out the typhus issues in LA. I’m not concocting metaphysical truth PIF but just relaying what the liberal CA media is reporting.

I’m sorry that you and others don’t see D leadership’s vested interest in open borders as it relates to gaining and sustaining power but eventually you’ll get it.

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[popper]

Democrats support open borders. You have to be a complete moron to believe this dribble.

Wow pointgod. Have you been asleep. Do you not read the news? I won’t call you a moron but it’s clear you’re not very bright. Yes, D leadership wants open borders. It’s the most efficient means possible for them to achieve power and sustain it. See Cloward-Piven. Read about how CA has changed politically over the past 30 years and why that’s lead to the fecalization of once great cities and where the majority of residents now want to get out.

I’ll keep this short because other people have addressed your bull but you have no clue what open borders actually means and you’re just regurgitating right wing talking points. Like I said if you believe Democrats actually want open borders (Republicans actually love taking advantage of cheap labor, just see your hero Trump) then you are unequivocally a moron.

It’s true that many R business executives and politicians want open borders as well for cheap labor. That doesn’t change my assertion that D leadership wants open borders to gain and sustain power. You’re real brave with the name calling, safe in your anonymity and hidden from any risk of a broken or shattered jaw.