Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

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Not the point. Just because it would be great to have a particular guy doesn't mean you have the ability to add him to your team.

If we are well into the luxury tax with 13 players, & the next move we make is to give Beal his maximum extension, & next season Gafford jumps from $2m to @$13m, we are completely hamstrung.

Among other things, it becomes virtually impossible to retain Harrell.

This is not a possible way to build an NBA team.

[Ruzious]

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I don't see Tatum and Beal playing together. Washington would insist on Jaylen Brown if they traded Beal to Boston, and Boston says no. Boston doesn't really have anything else of enough value that Washington would want. Similarly, Washington doesn't have enough to get Tatum.

[Ruzious]

Just searched for "Tatum" "trade" on Twitter; most of the tweets are from C's fans looking to ship him out, or at least break him and Brown up.

I'd do Kuz, Rui, Bryant and picks.

Don't fall into the trap. Beal and Tatum won't pass. Better top end talent won't be as successful team.

Kuz is helping by rebounding and playing defense.

It's irrelevant in any case. That trade would leave us with 13 players & into the luxury tax.

Doesn't matter - if you can do that trade, you do it. We can always throw in our FRP to get someone to take on a salary. But I can't imagine Boston would do that trade.

[Rafael122]

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I don't see Tatum and Beal playing together. Washington would insist on Jaylen Brown if they traded Beal to Boston, and Boston says no. Boston doesn't really have anything else of enough value that Washington would want. Similarly, Washington doesn't have enough to get Tatum.

Disagree on your last part, it depends what Boston wants to be as a team. I think Rui and Deni is a good starting point for Tatum.

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Don't fall into the trap. Beal and Tatum won't pass. Better top end talent won't be as successful team.

Kuz is helping by rebounding and playing defense.

It's irrelevant in any case. That trade would leave us with 13 players & into the luxury tax.

Doesn't matter - if you can do that trade, you do it. We can always throw in our FRP to get someone to take on a salary. But I can't imagine Boston would do that trade.

Wait... first you said you didn't like the trade: Beal & Tatum wouldn't play together. Now you like it? Only you say Boston won't do it. So...?

Fact is, we can't pay $175m a year to our roster.

[Ruzious]

It's irrelevant in any case. That trade would leave us with 13 players & into the luxury tax.

Doesn't matter - if you can do that trade, you do it. We can always throw in our FRP to get someone to take on a salary. But I can't imagine Boston would do that trade.

Wait... first you said you didn't like the trade: Beal & Tatum wouldn't play together. Now you like it? Only you say Boston won't do it. So...?

Fact is, we can't pay $175m a year to our roster.

I said Beal and Tatum won't play together, because there's pretty much no chance a trade could be worked out to make it so. I think I was pretty clear about that, tbh - though I've been wrong before... probably.

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The Bulls outscored the Celtics by 30 points to close out their game tonight. C's were up big most of the game until the 4th and ended up losing.

It would be nice karma to see the national basketball media start talking about Tatum to the Wiz instead of Beal to Boston. I'd trade our forward/frontcourt depth and picks for Tatum 10 times out of 10, btw. If the Nets, Lakers, and Warriors can pay for these guys, Turd can do it too. He can feel free to go back medium-quality urinal cakes. No lower than medium quality, though. Bad pee pee splash can ruin an evening.

[Ruzious]

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I don't see Tatum and Beal playing together. Washington would insist on Jaylen Brown if they traded Beal to Boston, and Boston says no. Boston doesn't really have anything else of enough value that Washington would want. Similarly, Washington doesn't have enough to get Tatum.

Disagree on your last part, it depends what Boston wants to be as a team. I think Rui and Deni is a good starting point for Tatum.

I don't think there's even a slim chance of Boston doing that.

[TGW]

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I don't see Tatum and Beal playing together. Washington would insist on Jaylen Brown if they traded Beal to Boston, and Boston says no. Boston doesn't really have anything else of enough value that Washington would want. Similarly, Washington doesn't have enough to get Tatum.

Disagree on your last part, it depends what Boston wants to be as a team. I think Rui and Deni is a good starting point for Tatum.

I don't think there's even a slim chance of Boston doing that.

I think about 28 other teams would make a better starting offer than that.

[Frichuela]

Disagree on your last part, it depends what Boston wants to be as a team. I think Rui and Deni is a good starting point for Tatum.

I don't think there's even a slim chance of Boston doing that.

I think about 28 other teams would make a better starting offer than that.

Yep. Realistically, Boston would ask for the moon.

[Rafael122]

I don't think there's even a slim chance of Boston doing that.

I think about 28 other teams would make a better starting offer than that.

Yep. Realistically, Boston would ask for the moon.

What team has assets though? We would run into the same issue if we're trading Beal, who's got the right combo of picks and players to make a move at this point?

[Ruzious]

I think about 28 other teams would make a better starting offer than that.

Yep. Realistically, Boston would ask for the moon.

What team has assets though? We would run into the same issue if we're trading Beal, who's got the right combo of picks and players to make a move at this point?

It's not like a Simmons or Kyrie situation where the team really should trade the player. Boston doesn't have any need or even any desire to trade Tatum, so they're not gonna unless they get a tremendous offer.

[Dark Faze]

Probably too late to get Herro now. Dude's flipped the switch.

I'd honestly trade Brad for Barnes/filler/Sac 1st right now, but I doubt they'd agree.

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Probably too late to get Herro now. Dude's flipped the switch.

I'd honestly trade Brad for Barnes/filler/Sac 1st right now, but I doubt they'd agree.

[Ruzious]

Probably too late to get Herro now. Dude's flipped the switch.

I'd honestly trade Brad for Barnes/filler/Sac 1st right now, but I doubt they'd agree.

We don't need another forward like Barnes, and they'd probably rather trade Hield - who's having his best year. Try to get Haliburton and that pick. Beal and Todd for Hield, Haliburton, and Sac's FRP.

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The Bulls outscored the Celtics by 30 points to close out their game tonight. C's were up big most of the game until the 4th and ended up losing.

It would be nice karma to see the national basketball media start talking about Tatum to the Wiz instead of Beal to Boston. I'd trade our forward/frontcourt depth and picks for Tatum 10 times out of 10, btw. If the Nets, Lakers, and Warriors can pay for these guys, Turd can do it too. He can feel free to go back medium-quality urinal cakes. No lower than medium quality, though. Bad pee pee splash can ruin an evening.

Dude: this is great stuff. You’ve GOT to post more.

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Probably too late to get Herro now. Dude's flipped the switch.

I'd honestly trade Brad for Barnes/filler/Sac 1st right now, but I doubt they'd agree.

We don't need another forward like Barnes, and they'd probably rather trade Hield - who's having his best year. Try to get Haliburton and that pick. Beal and Todd for Hield, Haliburton, and Sac's FRP.

Sounds good, but don't know why Sac would do that. Maybe if we took Bagley who they seem to want to get rid of.

With Beal starting badly we're in a tough position. He's not worth whatever we've offered, and his trade value is not what it was when the season started. Management will probably keep him, settling for mediocrity.

It's really odd how his 3 pt shooting went from good for 6 years, to average, and now bad.

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The Bulls outscored the Celtics by 30 points to close out their game tonight. C's were up big most of the game until the 4th and ended up losing.

It would be nice karma to see the national basketball media start talking about Tatum to the Wiz instead of Beal to Boston. I'd trade our forward/frontcourt depth and picks for Tatum 10 times out of 10, btw. If the Nets, Lakers, and Warriors can pay for these guys, Turd can do it too. He can feel free to go back medium-quality urinal cakes. No lower than medium quality, though. Bad pee pee splash can ruin an evening.

Dude: this is great stuff. You’ve GOT to post more.

Agreed -- please weigh in a lot more often!

OTOH, you do understand, I hope, that one of the reasons the Celtics lost last night, & that they are 2-5, is... Jayson Tatum. Right?

You are aware that...

To score 10 more points than Kyle Kuzma, all Jayson Tatum has to do is take 11 more shots & shoot 2 more FTs.

Is that good? Is that why you want him? Why you're willing to trade the farm for him?

Btw, while Tatum is taking those 11 extra shots & 2 extra FTAs to produce those 10 extra points, he's also turning the ball over more than Kuzma. He's fouling more than Kuzma. He's getting fewer steals than Kuzma. &, of course, he's grabbing way fewer rebounds than Kuzma.

Tatum sucks. He is shooting 46% on 2-pointers. He's shooting 27% on 3-pointers. His TS% is 47.9%.

Of course, that's only this year. He's a lot better than that on his career -- in fact, on his career Tatum's TS% is 56.6% -- a big fat 1.2% better than an average NBA wing (& below average for a 4, of course).

Overall on his career, there's no question that Jayson Tatum is an above average player. But, you want to compare him to those guys Brooklyn, GS & the Lakers pay big bucks. The difference is that those guys are really really good -- stars & superstars. Jayson Tatum isn't that. He's a volume shooter who, on his career, is a bit above average.

Why don't you compare his numbers to someone really good -- Jimmy Butler, say -- & see what they look like. Jimmy Butler is worth whatever he gets. So is Kevin Durant. So is LeBron. So is Steph. So is Kawhi. So is Luka. The real stars & superstars (they are few in number) are bargains. As to Jayson Tatum... no thanks.

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Faze mentioned Tyler Herro.

That's how you get better, ok? You draft Tyler Herro. You draft Keldon Johnson. You draft Matisse Thybulle. Xavier Tillman. Desmond Bane. Kenyon Martin Jr.

& when you give someone the absolute max, you make sure that he is absolutely worth it.

[gambitx777]

I would Target Harrison barns but not for Beal. Beal still have plenty of value. I want a way to dump bertans and try to add a guy like Barnes good defender and another scoring option.

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