Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[Hoopalotta]

Some random person on Twitter seems to have responded to this dastardly overpay report (I saw them on a realtime google search for "Javale")

@D_Coke23‎ #6 pick, #18 pick, and Javale McGee for the #2 pick?? Minnesota should go ahead and take that... Lol

Basketball IQ comes with age and experience. Physical freakishness does not.

Well, except that nose hair can eventually get quite lengthy.

I'm just saying.

[Mizerooskie]

I'm confused, are we just having a bit of fun at JaVale's expense or actually suggesting this trade isn't awful.

It's awful right, guys? Guys?

Yes, unless you believe a 23-year old with limited minutes (until this season) won't become a smarter player on the court.

[theboomking]

2 way plus 7 footer? McGee has no low post game to speak of. I'm not dissing the guy here, I think he's incredibly athletic, but that's all he is, athletic.

That's just untrue hating.

McGee was tied for second in the league in blocks, despite playing 10 less minutes per game than Howard, who he was tied with. Despite not "no low post game to speak of," he still managed a respectable 10 ppg in 28 mpg. Despite not being a good positional rebounder, he averaged 8 rpg in 28 mpg.

There are plenty of athletic bigs in the NBA who don't come near to Javale's level of production. Ryan Hollins, who could be Javale's long lost brother, doesn't come close. Blake Griffin, arguably the most athletic bigman in the NBA, doesn't average a block per game.

Basketball IQ comes with age and experience. Physical freakishness does not. Javale will learn the nuances of playing good positional defense as he matures. Hell, even Kwame Brown has learned how to make proper defensive rotations and he was widely considered to be an idiot who would never get it.

Give me 10 points, 8 rebounds, and close to 3 blocks a game, with good defensive rotations, and you have the makings of a very good center. Stop selling the kid short.

I agree that if you use the stats, points per 36, rebounds per 36, and blocks, that McGee looks awesome. I just don't think that he has a positive impact on the team at either end of the floor.

Secondarily, I would argue that basketball IQ usually doesn't come with age and experience. For a guy that is selfish, bone headed, and isn't as good at defending the pick and roll as a mid first Euro-league rookie, Seraphin, I am not sure I would count on a significant improvement in BBIQ over time. McGee has been more outwardly criticized for his game or lack thereof, than any successful prospect/player I can recall. He has been mocked on television, while on set, for his low BBIQ. We could probably get a fantastic player if we could trade McGee to a player that plays run-jump.

I would rather keep McGee. I think his potential is enormous. However, I am not going to be heartbroken if we trade him, as I don't think JaVale has shown the tiniest sign that he has the mental makeup to ever do more than scratch the surface of his potential.

[closg00]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

OMG!!!! Please tell me Ernie did not offer-up two of our picks AND JaVale for the #2????? To insane to be true, I refuse to believe it..we would have to be getting more than that. OTOH, Kahn appears to have something over Ernie...naked tweet pics or something.

[Wizardspride]

"Publicly, the team is claiming that they're likely to hang on to the pick. Privately, they're hoping that a team comes along and offers them an impact veteran -- someone such as Pau Gasol, Monta Ellis or even JaVale McGee -- for the pick."

[LyricalRico]

Some random person on Twitter seems to have responded to this dastardly overpay report (I saw them on a realtime google search for "Javale")

@D_Coke23‎ #6 pick, #18 pick, and Javale McGee for the #2 pick?? Minnesota should go ahead and take that... Lol

Wow, I was just joking about McGee. I didn't realize there was a trade idea being discussed. Yes, that would be crazy overpayment.

But what about McGee+18 for the 2? If we're stuck with Blatche, drafting either Kanter or Williams would be okay. Kanter is probably a better fit next to Blatche than he is next to McGee. And if Williams ends up really being a PF, moving Blatche to C might work since he has played better there at times. And then the Wiz can still use the 6 on whichever wing they like between Leonard and Vesely.

Kanter/Seraphin
Blatche/Booker
Lewis/Vesely (until he develops)
Young/Crawford
Wall/(Vet FA)

I could live with that.

[TGW]

I agree that if you use the stats, points per 36, rebounds per 36, and blocks, that McGee looks awesome. I just don't think that he has a positive impact on the team at either end of the floor.

That simply is not the case. McGee was second on the team in +/- behind Cartier Martin, who barely played, so for all intensive purposes, Javele led the Wizards in +/-. That suggests that the team was generally at its best when Javale was on the court.

Secondarily, I would argue that basketball IQ usually doesn't come with age and experience. For a guy that is selfish, bone headed, and isn't as good at defending the pick and roll as a mid first Euro-league rookie, Seraphin, I am not sure I would count on a significant improvement in BBIQ over time. McGee has been more outwardly criticized for his game or lack thereof, than any successful prospect/player I can recall. He has been mocked on television, while on set, for his low BBIQ. We could probably get a fantastic player if we could trade McGee to a player that plays run-jump.

Javale is selfish and boneheaded...I won't disagree with that. But that's what happens when there's NO POSITIVE VETERAN ON THE TEAM. I pleaded that EG brought back Singleton over the course of the year because I felt he was exactly what the team needed as a stable, reliable veteran presence. Blatche played his best basketball with Singleton on the team. Javale made significant strides.

Tyson Chandler has been on 4 different teams because of this...now he's a very important piece on a championship calibre team. We should show patience.

I would rather keep McGee. I think his potential is enormous. However, I am not going to be heartbroken if we trade him, as I don't think JaVale has shown the tiniest sign that he has the mental makeup to ever do more than scratch the surface of his potential.

Even if Javale stays at his level of production (10/8/2), that is more than fine with me. He just needs to cut out the bad goal tends, and play better pick and roll defense. Those are easy fixes. Unless you think we can surgically add 4 inches to Seraphin, or inject athletic ability into Joel Pryzbilla's knees, I'd say Javale is easily your best option for a quality center.

And LOL at bringing Dwight Howard's name into the convo. Can I have some of those drugs too?

[queridiculo]

McGee straight up for the 2nd pick is a move I'd seriously entertain. It opens the door for a Williams, Kanter/JV draft. Throwing the 18th into the mix might be a deal breaker, but I'd still consider it given the salary cap flexibility that move would give us.

[jivelikenice]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that the Wiz are supposedly offering #6, #18 and Javale McGee for Minnesota's pick.


If this is true, the Wiz must really love Mr. Williams.

Uggggly.

OMG!!!! Please tell me Ernie did not offer-up two of our picks AND JaVale for the #2????? To insane to be true, I refuse to believe it..we would have to be getting more than that. OTOH, Kahn appears to have something over Ernie...naked tweet pics or something.

I can't imagine that being the case. Ted wouldn't let that happen. If that is the trade being discussed, we must be getting something significant back from Minn....(i.e Wes Johnson) but I still find that very hard to beleive....

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

as spectacular as JaVale is at blocking shots, we had one of the worst interior defenses in the league last year. JaVale is a good shot blocker, but poor defender.

THIS.

Prepping for a service tonight, but put me in the camp that would trade McGee straight up for the 2nd pick without losing any sleep.

[RT31]

Basketball IQ comes with age and experience. Physical freakishness does not. Javale will learn the nuances of playing good positional defense as he matures. Hell, even Kwame Brown has learned how to make proper defensive rotations and he was widely considered to be an idiot who would never get it.

It just took Kwame 10 years to figure it out and become a serviceable backup. I'm willing to wait on McGee, but if you told me we could trade Kwame Brown for a starting caliber Forward, I'd do it in a hearbeat...oh wait, we did that...I think most view the KFB for Caron trade as a success.

McGee for DWilliams sounds the same to me.

[TGW]

Basketball IQ comes with age and experience. Physical freakishness does not. Javale will learn the nuances of playing good positional defense as he matures. Hell, even Kwame Brown has learned how to make proper defensive rotations and he was widely considered to be an idiot who would never get it.

It just took Kwame 10 years to figure it out and become a serviceable backup. I'm willing to wait on McGee, but if you told me we could trade Kwame Brown for a starting caliber Forward, I'd do it in a hearbeat...oh wait, we did that...I think most view the KFB for Caron trade as a success.

McGee for DWilliams sounds the same to me.

Except Kwame never put together as good a year as McGee did last season. Kwame didn't come close to leading the league in anything except boneheaded plays. Kwame never led the team in +/-, rebounding, or blocks. Kwame never showed half of the talent Javale did, and honestly if this team ever traded Javale for Caron Butler, or a similar talent, I would be pissed.

[GhostsOfGil]

i would definitely do mcgee and 18 if we know we can get kanter at 6. essentially wed be trading mcgee and singleton (or whoever at 18) for williams and kanter.

[WizarDynasty]

McGee and Wall are untouchable. If we are offering one of our 1st round picks from last year like Booker or Seraphin that's more than enough to move down a few slots in a weak draft.
Both Booker and Seraphin each are better defensive players than the top 6 players in this draft.
Irving, Williams and Kanter are all below average defenders for their position. I said it first.
Each player is a future gilbert arenas---they may blow up for you offensively but none of them can shut their man down defensively--not one of them is a shot blocker. I would be hesistant to even give up booker--since we paid so much for him last year and he has proven to be good against certain types of players like blake griffin. seraphin, we broke our backs trying to get. if we come away from this draft with just singleton, Singleton solves alot more of our problems than derrick williams. if we just sucked it up and took singleton at six, we avoid worrying about looking back at the draft history and seeing that Singleton is the shane battier of this draft. He doesn't look all that important now just as shane battier didn't seem to have upside but getting a 3 and defense player in your starting rotation at the three makes this draft worth it.
The team finally saw what a legitimate looking small forward looked like that could play defense with rashard lewis. He is at the end of his career, we have the opportunity to grab a similiar player except he doesn't have the injuries and is act the beginning of his career.
WE may over pay for singleton based on his position that we select him at, but he is already undervalued and he worth more to our team than most teams because we don't have a perimeter stopper that goes up against the opponents best wing every night. Singleton is the only player I trust in this draft with that responsibility.
That means he is worth more to us than other teams that already have a shut down perimeter player on their team.
Singleton is a far superior defensive player to leonard and is the best perimeter defender in this draft. He also does not hurt you offensively. Singleton is more valuable to the wizards than D.Williams, Kanter, and anyone else you can think of in this draft. Getting him is the number one priority even if it means we have to use our 6th pick to guarantee that he is our starting small forward for the next 10 years.
Singleton automatically guards the toughest offensive player every night, we don't have a player like that on this roster that we can count on.
So singleton is worth 6th pick because we don't have to worry about another team with the same needs as us over paying to get him. If we lose him, there is no other player in this draft that comes close to filling our shut down defensive perimeter player need who can also shoot threes.
The sixth pick guarantees that we get Singleton, if we wait until 18th, we our gambling with losing our best perimeter player for the next ten years and we have no plans in free agency and we have no one on the roster that comes close to what singleton brings.

[LyricalRico]

McGee straight up for the 2nd pick is a move I'd seriously entertain. It opens the door for a Williams, Kanter/JV draft. Throwing the 18th into the mix might be a deal breaker, but I'd still consider it given the salary cap flexibility that move would give us.

[Wizardspride]

Perhaps, but it's just too much. I couldn't pull the trigger that includes both McGee and the 6th pick - much less throwing in the 18th pick as if it's a small order of fries added to a McDonalds value meal. Blatche with 6 and 18? Yes, I could agree to that.

Even with Andray included, thats too much.

[Illuminaire]

McGee straight up for the #2, or maybe even a minor sweetener from Minnie... I'd consider. Slowly and carefully.

No way in heck I give them *anything* but McGee though. Above average starting centers are the rarest commodity in the league. If we're giving one up, we'd better be the ones raiding and pillaging the other team to do it.

[Ruzious]

Basketball IQ comes with age and experience. Physical freakishness does not. Javale will learn the nuances of playing good positional defense as he matures. Hell, even Kwame Brown has learned how to make proper defensive rotations and he was widely considered to be an idiot who would never get it.

It just took Kwame 10 years to figure it out and become a serviceable backup. I'm willing to wait on McGee, but if you told me we could trade Kwame Brown for a starting caliber Forward, I'd do it in a hearbeat...oh wait, we did that...I think most view the KFB for Caron trade as a success.

McGee for DWilliams sounds the same to me.

Except Kwame never put together as good a year as McGee did last season. Kwame didn't come close to leading the league in anything except boneheaded plays. Kwame never led the team in +/-, rebounding, or blocks. Kwame never showed half of the talent Javale did, and honestly if this team ever traded Javale for Caron Butler, or a similar talent, I would be pissed.

Meh, in Kwame's third season, he showed a lot of improvement in the 2nd half of the season, and we were falling all over ourselves singing his praises - moreso than Javale, frankly. He had multiple games where he out-played Jermaine O'Neil in his prime and even Tim Duncan. His 4th year was a complete disaster - starting with a foot injury that he didn't rehab adequately. Hmmm... deja vu with Blatche.

[queridiculo]

I can't imagine that being the case. Ted wouldn't let that happen. If that is the trade being discussed, we must be getting something significant back from Minn....(i.e Wes Johnson) but I still find that very hard to beleive....

OMG, please make it happen.

McGee and the 6th for the 2nd and Wes Johnson would be my wet dream. The Timberwolves would probably want the 18th too, but if we can hold out we would have a legit shot at completely rebuilding our roster if Vucevic still happens to be around at 18.

Johnson was my second favorite player in the draft last year and really started to come on late.

Wall
NY/Crawford
Johnson
Blatche/Kanter
Seraphin/Kanter/(Vucevic)

Tell me that isn't a promising core.

[Ruzious]

Ftr, I don't think Ted would agree on a trade of so much for 1 pick. His philosophy seems to go the opposite way. Accumulate as many picks as possible - because in volume, more of them will pan out.