Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

[dobrojim]

Unless Noel falls to 3, the answer to this question is Porter. It shouldn't even be up for discussion, to be honest.

Wall
Beal
Porter
Nene
Okafor

That's 45 to 50 wins, providing health.

Would need a big that could get his own down low...like Al Jeff or somehting and like u said thats assuming they all stay healhty

A healthy Nene fulfills that need. The issue is will he be healthy.

[AFM]

I have absolutely no problem drafting Porter if that happens. I just don't think he will ever be a "star". I do however think he will be a very good player for a very long time.
However, I DO think Bennett has a chance to be a real star. He has the athleticism necessary that's for sure.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eu1Y9xSFTE[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOQIvjYR58[/youtube]

But if we draft Porter I won't be upset.

[No-Man]

The only thing scary about Porter is strength.

He's slow but that doesnt matter because he's extremely intelligent and is a move ahead everybody else on defense, and he has the length to make it up.

He's not that explosive,but again, he's really long.

The only big issue is strength to guard some guys on defense, he's going to be skinny he's whole career.

[tontoz]

I would much rather draft Porter, resign Webster, and let Ariza walk/trade him. Porter starts, Webster comes off the bench to shoot the corner 3 for 20 minutes a game.

Yep, I'm in for this

Trade Ariza and Vesely for a Center.

Anyway I'd be open to trade the pick if someone like Horford is available.

Porter wont go nº1, he would be the worst 1st pick of NBA history.

+2

Webster can back up the 2 and 3 so it won't be hard to find minutes for him.

[DCZards]

Porter looks like he has good upper body strength. He's got good muscle tone. He's just got no bulk and has a skinny base.

But he gets it done. That kind of defines him for me:
- Didn't play AAU, still ended up a top college player and NBA prospect.
- Not that strong nor a leaper, but he gets a TON of rebounds outside his area.
- Not fast and looks awkward when he runs, but he creates space for himself to shoot and finishes well in transition.
- Got a funny looking jumper but it goes in.

People are always going to be wondering how he's as good as he is throughout his career because he's so unconventional. But he's going to play winning basketball and get great results in spite of being an abnormal player. He's just figured out what works for himself and mastered his own approach to the game. He's an odd bird.

Excellent description of Porter's game. Unconventional and awkward as hell but knows how to play winning basketball on both ends of the court. Otto is a highly-instinctive player as well as a poised facilitator who will help make his teammates better.

There are a lot of options out there for the Zards with third pick (including trades) but right now drafting Porter, assuming the Cavs don't take him, is option #1 , imo.

[LyricalRico]

Apparently, Dallas is shopping the 13th pick. I would be interested in giving up assets for that if Zeller/Olynyk/Len are available.

Dallas is presumably shopping the pick in order to generate more cap room to acquire Howard. The best we could do to help them meet that goal would be to swap Ariza for Marion while giving them a future pick. It saves them $1.5M in salary and another $1.7M in rookie pay, while giving them a viable starting SF on an expiring contract.

They could probably find a better offer elsewhere, but it's worth considering. Marion actually fits better than Ariza because he can play more PF. And with the #13 pick, we can add Dieng or Adams as a defensive center for the future. If we drafted Porter at #3, it would look like this:

PG Wall
SG Beal/Webster
SF Webster/Porter
PF Marion/Nene
C Okafor/Adams

We then shop Vesely, Seraphin and/or Booker for backcourt help.

I'd do that, and follow up with Vesely+Seraphin for JJ Barea.

[dobrojim]

I seriously think EG would trade down with Minny for Derrick WIlliams in a Ves swap. Its an interesting trade proposal. Poster on the trade board even offered Minny's #26. The Wiz could probably get Len/Zeller with that 9th pick.

Would a #3+Ves+Knicks 2nd rounder for #9+Derrick Williams+#26 deal be palatable for the fellow Wiz fans?

I'm strongly in favor of trading the pick, but my working rule is we should be able to say what we got for the third pick in under two seconds without using the word "and".

If we're listing three or four assorted pieces I'm not really interested. Eventually we'd have to offer contracts to each of those pieces for more money than we'd have spent by staying at 3 and taking the BPA. Even if you can say that those three or four guys are better on balance than Office-Dipo, it's not like you wouldn't have been able to acquire the middling sweetener by other means while keeping the 3rd pick.

My rule: get a singular piece and make it a big or use the pick.

Horford or Love.

[dobrojim]

The top two players in this draft are Noel and McLemore, IMO. Assuming they go 1 and 2, I think it comes down to Porter or Bennett (with Len as an outside possibility) for the Zards. Porter is the safest bet. He doesn't have the upside of a Bennett or Len but nor does he carry the risk of being a bust.

I believe Porter will always (quietly) exceed people's expectations. Some of his best moments with the Hoyas came when he was coolly orchestrating the offensive flow and not looking to score. Yet when G'Town needed a hoop Porter usually delivered. He understands that playing winning bball means playing both ends of the court with passion, patience and smarts.

Otto's work ethic, high bball and humility makes him a great fit alongside Wall and Beal.

as long as he's got the burning passionate desire to practice and get better,
I'm good with that.

[fugop]

I would be titillated if we somehow came out of this draft with Porter and Dieng. I think Dieng is going to challenge Noel as the best big man in this draft, and Porter will end up the best swing men.

I'm biased by collegiate affiliation, but Siva measured remarkable well at the combine. He even shot well. If he's able to fix his stroke, he could end up a steal in the second round.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_asset ... AAL5bS.jpg

[No-Man]

Horford would be terrific, also Ibaka, and Kanter or Favors.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Count me as part of the camp that wants nothing to do with Bennett...don't like his attitude at all. Then again, we've been spoiled with Beal this past year.

[doclinkin]

If the choice is between Porter and Oladipo, I pick Porter again. YODA ranks him very high, and in fact he was tremendously productive. But he's a year older than Porter -- run those YODA numbers again using his Sophomore stats and you'll like them a lot less.

I'd have no problem picking Porter over Oladipo. Porter rates better sophomore year to sophomore year. Oladipo as a sophomore rated as a late lottery pick. Which is also where he rated as a freshman. He played MUCH better in his junior year, of course.

In addition there's a possible Zeller effect, the possibility that teams knew to concentrate on the interior to shut him down, freeing Oladipo to play freer on the outside. By contrast Porter was pretty much all of GTown's production, but still managed efficient production. Just one theory to d1ck around with and monkeywrench the pet homebrew metric. A correction not for strength of schedule but strength of teammates a synergy correction. Just a thought.

That said I still like Dipo a little better than Porter. Porter just seems to fit the chemistry and scheme and minutes available to play with our core more often. That would be drafting for need not best player. Long term I think Dipo may prove a better player at 2-3 than Porter at 3. But you can win with either of them, so I'll shrug and accept whomever.

I just would prefer to trade back a little and still pick a needed talent and add something else. Get greedy.

[Higga]

Porter is my top choice, have wanted him for months now. But I wouldn't mind Oladipo or Bennett either. Regardless, getting the 3rd pick means we should get a quality player, unless Ernie goes full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and decides to draft another euroscrub.

[DCZards]

That said I still like Dipo a little better than Porter. Porter just seems to fit the chemistry and scheme and minutes available to play with our core more often. That would be drafting for need not best player. Long term I think Dipo may prove a better player at 2-3 than Porter at 3. But you can win with either of them, so I'll shrug and accept whomever.

I'm just not seeing a lot of minutes for Oladipo at the 3...not at 6-4. Yeah, he's a great athlete but he'll be consistently going up against guys who are 2-4 inches taller than him...many of them long and great athletes as well. I just don't see Dipo's athleticisim always making up for the size difference.

[Ruzious]

That said I still like Dipo a little better than Porter. Porter just seems to fit the chemistry and scheme and minutes available to play with our core more often. That would be drafting for need not best player. Long term I think Dipo may prove a better player at 2-3 than Porter at 3. But you can win with either of them, so I'll shrug and accept whomever.

I'm just not seeing a lot of minutes for Oladipo at the 3...not at 6-4. Yeah, he's a great athlete but he'll be consistently going up against guys who are 2-4 inches taller than him...many of them long and great athletes as well. I just don't see Dipo's athleticisim always making up for the size difference.

I agree with Doc's analysis. But I concur that the Wiz would/will almost certainly take Porter over Oladipo.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

Would you guys do #3 + #37 + #54 for Sac's #7 and DeMarcus Cousins? I would even throw in Vesley or Booker to make it work.

[GhostsOfGil]

Would you guys do #3 + #37 + #54 for Sac's #7 and DeMarcus Cousins? I would even throw in Vesley or Booker to make it work.

Yes but theres no way SAC would do this. We would essentially be trading Porter + low impact draft picks + garbage for Cus and CJ McCollum.

Wiz would take this and run.

[Ruzious]

Would you guys do #3 + #37 + #54 for Sac's #7 and DeMarcus Cousins? I would even throw in Vesley or Booker to make it work.

That's like trading 2 2nds for Cousins and just moving down 4 spots - maybe to take the same guy you could have taken at 3. Of course the Wiz do that.

[McGully Culkin]

Would you guys do #3 + #37 + #54 for Sac's #7 and DeMarcus Cousins? I would even throw in Vesley or Booker to make it work.

In a heartbeat...

Boogie
?or Bennett
Ariza/Webster or Muhammad
Beal
Wall

YES YES YES.

[Zonkerbl]

So Kevin, question for you.

For YODA, you say you put some discounted measurement information into it. Have you done a big regression that includes all the measurements from the combines, that tells you approximately how important the different measurements are? Do you have statistical evidence that tells you how important wingspan is vs. no step vert vs. lane agility vs. bench press? Perhaps by position?