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Bradley Beal - Part II

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#241 » by Hidden Eye » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:42 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Jan Vesely at SG?

Dang, EG's construction of the roster just keeps looking worse and worse. Any NBA team should be able to withstand the loss of a single player for a short period of time. It's called depth.

You may not be as good, but you ought to be able to tread water if, say, you had someone, anyone, on the roster beside Beal who is in any way, shape or form a legitimate two guard.

He probably could play the SG :lol:
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#242 » by BruceO » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:47 pm

Fwiw the first guy who posted the news based on his relationship with a wizard insider said wall put two to six weeks.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#243 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:55 pm

Brapman wrote:Pistons fan. Very tough luck with Beal.

I'd be worried that it's an injury to his same leg that caused him to miss a ton of time last season. It's not a good sign that a young guy's frame isn't handling the rigors of being an NBA player so far.

He and Wall have to develop into stars for you guys to have much of a future. So far, that's not happening. Wall isn't playing/performing at an elite or even great level, and Beal, my favorite young SG in the league (If I got to pick one of the young guns at SG - I guess aside from Harden and George if he plays that position - I pick Beal. Now I'm not sure) aren't exactly filling anyone with confidence that they'll become dominant.


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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#244 » by J-Ves » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:56 pm

Brapman wrote:Pistons fan. Very tough luck with Beal.

I'd be worried that it's an injury to his same leg that caused him to miss a ton of time last season. It's not a good sign that a young guy's frame isn't handling the rigors of being an NBA player so far.

He and Wall have to develop into stars for you guys to have much of a future. So far, that's not happening. Wall isn't playing/performing at an elite or even great level, and Beal, my favorite young SG in the league (If I got to pick one of the young guns at SG - I guess aside from Harden and George if he plays that position - I pick Beal. Now I'm not sure) aren't exactly filling anyone with confidence that they'll become dominant.

Wall did just win player of the week and Beal is still young, hopefully he grows out of these reoccurring injuries. Assuming health, the Wall, Beal backcourt WILL be dominant in the near future, you can be sure of that. We also have OP, it's still unclear how he fits in.


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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#245 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:56 pm

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tontoz wrote:I was thinking today that Beal's offensive game has been very similar to Nick Young's. He takes spot up 3s or long 2s, rarely getting to the basket or foul line. The only real difference is that Beal is a better passer.


... and rebounder, and defender, and..


Nick Young was a huge ball stopper. His isolation heavy game forced the team's offense to come to a screeching halt. Beal never forces things like NY used to.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#246 » by verbal8 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:00 pm

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queridiculo wrote:
tontoz wrote:I was thinking today that Beal's offensive game has been very similar to Nick Young's. He takes spot up 3s or long 2s, rarely getting to the basket or foul line. The only real difference is that Beal is a better passer.


... and rebounder, and defender, and..


Nick Young was a huge ball stopper. His isolation heavy game forced the team's offense to come to a screeching halt. Beal never forces things like NY used to.


The thing about Nick Young is individually he looks like a good player. He defended pretty well one on one, he also scores at a decent rate with decent efficiency. The problem is the other things that a player needs to do to help his team. He is a poor team defender and his assist and rebound rates are terrible.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#247 » by fishercob » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:00 pm

Brapman wrote:Pistons fan. Very tough luck with Beal.

I'd be worried that it's an injury to his same leg that caused him to miss a ton of time last season. It's not a good sign that a young guy's frame isn't handling the rigors of being an NBA player so far.

He and Wall have to develop into stars for you guys to have much of a future. So far, that's not happening. Wall isn't playing/performing at an elite or even great level, and Beal, my favorite young SG in the league (If I got to pick one of the young guns at SG - I guess aside from Harden and George if he plays that position - I pick Beal. Now I'm not sure) aren't exactly filling anyone with confidence that they'll become dominant.


We're hoping our GM uses our cap space this summer to sign a guy who can't effectively share the court with them.

Or maybe we could just trade for Brandon Jennings -- he's available, yes?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#248 » by tontoz » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:02 pm

queridiculo wrote:
tontoz wrote:I was thinking today that Beal's offensive game has been very similar to Nick Young's. He takes spot up 3s or long 2s, rarely getting to the basket or foul line. The only real difference is that Beal is a better passer.


... and rebounder, and defender, and..



I was talking about offense but, since you brought it up, Beal currently ranks 43rd among 2s in rebound rate. Better than Nick but not by much.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#249 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:16 pm

Jay81 wrote:I blame the usual for this

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I blame Ted.

You sent both coach and GM into their lame-duck season with a mandate to win something-or-other or be fired.

Then gave them no oversight or governor on what they were allowed to do with that info.

Of COURSE the GM is going to raid the cupboards of the future to get a serviceable starter; of COURSE the coach is going to play his starters every possible minute. What'd you expect?

You punted the well-conceived 10 point plan because of a few reasonable excuses: the fans failed to buy tix and the franchise was hemorrhaging cash; you worried about the fragile psyche of young talent, that they might learn to accept losing; you fretted about our reputation around the league, that in the new cap era players will only switch teams if there's a better chance of winning something, since the money will be tight everywhere -- you worried about our reputation as a losing squad where good players go to get injured and sit the bench, and even winning players only pause for a while before they move on to win elsewhere, perhaps.

Problem is you left in charge the guy who presided over all the losing seasons and bad contracts and poor draft picks. Even supporters of GMEG say he's competent at best, rarely prescient or innovative. If you had your doubts whether he was the guy (and chose not to extend him) then THAT was the time to fire him and search for a next-level replacement.

What you don't do is leave him in place and say, you're fired unless you build a short-term 'winner' and then keep changing your definition of winning. Not championships. Not a winning playoff record. Not exiting the first round. But maybe making the playoffs in the weak East. Okay wait. "Ninth seed" yeah that's good enough...

It's bulljive and nobody is buying it.

Hire a GM whose mission is the Championships. A dynasty. Then have the patience to pay for a few crappy years if you have to while he stocks the cupboard. Stick to your plan. Have some stones. And stop trying to piss in our cup and call it lemonade.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#250 » by fishercob » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:17 pm

tontoz wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
tontoz wrote:I was thinking today that Beal's offensive game has been very similar to Nick Young's. He takes spot up 3s or long 2s, rarely getting to the basket or foul line. The only real difference is that Beal is a better passer.


... and rebounder, and defender, and..



I was talking about offense but, since you brought it up, Beal currently ranks 43rd among 2s in rebound rate. Better than Nick but not by much.



Beal has a long way to go, but considering he averaged 6.7 rpg as an 18 year old frosh at Florida, I'm not worried about his rebounding.

I don't see stylistic similarities to Nick Young. Beal isn't nearly the ball-pounder that young is and he takes better care of the ball. I hear what you are saying on where his shots are coming from, but Beal will improve with time.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#251 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:17 pm

nuposse04 wrote:if its a stress reaction, it is usually a 3-4 week healing time I think. God I hope the MRI comes back negative and I don't have to shove a spoon up my ass.


Just thought this should not go un-noted...
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#252 » by stevemcqueen1 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:18 pm

NY is a dumb player and Beal is not and that's a pretty major difference. The thing that used to kill me about NY was that he always caught the ball open and dribbled into a contested jumper. He was a turd and Beal is a future All Star.
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Post#253 » by cwb3 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:26 pm

Please heal up soon Beal!! :ouch:
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#254 » by verbal8 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:29 pm

fishercob wrote:
tontoz wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
... and rebounder, and defender, and..



I was talking about offense but, since you brought it up, Beal currently ranks 43rd among 2s in rebound rate. Better than Nick but not by much.



Beal has a long way to go, but considering he averaged 6.7 rpg as an 18 year old frosh at Florida, I'm not worried about his rebounding.

Or even just look at last season. Beal rebounded at the same rate(per 36) as John Wall. And only 0.2/per 36 less than Harden.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#255 » by LyricalRico » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:14 pm

News is Beal is out the dreaded "2-3 weeks".

:nonono:

At this point just play it safe and bring him back the first home game after X-mas.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#256 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:18 pm

LyricalRico wrote:News is Beal is out the dreaded "2-3 weeks".

:nonono:

At this point just play it safe and bring him back the first home game after X-mas.

You call it safe. I call it optimistic. :sigh:
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#257 » by LyricalRico » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:28 pm

Yeah, my first thought was he'll be back after the All-Star Break. But I'm trying to keep hope alive! :wink:
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Post#258 » by tontoz » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:00 pm

I am just hoping that we see Beal on the bench tonight without sunglasses.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#259 » by AFM » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:01 pm

You know what rhymes with Bradley Beal?

Badly heal.

Safe to say at this point this kid is a bust. This injury is probably career ending for all we know.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#260 » by jangles86 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:36 pm

This is heartbreaking.

John Wall is going to need to show us what he's made out of now. This is it. This is his time to put up or shut up

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