Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[montestewart]

Ok so Ely has now been waived officially bringing the roster to 14. Although the final spot is apparently being kept for Al Harrington.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/7/30 ... een-waived

Saved until when? And why? In theory, he is a stretch 4 and a locker room presence, but how much did he really add last year? No one can come earn a spot training/preseason?

[payitforward]

Ok so Ely has now been waived officially bringing the roster to 14. Although the final spot is apparently being kept for Al Harrington.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/7/30 ... een-waived

I don't think we've actually signed Temple yet, have we? Not that there's much doubt....

[dckingsfan]

So as it stands...

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John Wall         14,746,000
Nene Hilario      13,000,000
Marcin Gortat     10,400,000
Martell Webster    5,381,750
Andre Miller       4,625,000
Bradley Beal       4,505,280
Otto Porter        4,470,480
Kris Humphries     4,300,000
Kevin Seraphin     3,890,000
DeJuan Blair       2,000,000
Drew Gooden        1,448,000
Glen Rice            816,482
Garrett Temple   (not signed)
Al Harrington    (not signed)
Total             69,582,992


[dckingsfan]

I think not signing Harrington and Seraphin would have given us some flexibility toward the trade deadline.

[Nivek]

Wall's deal starts at $14.7 million. He signed for the max, and the cap went up.

[dangermouse]

What are the odds on Beal getting the max, too?

[Nivek]

What are the odds on Beal getting the max, too?

If Grunfeld is at the helm, 100%.

[nate33]

What are the odds on Beal getting the max, too?

If Grunfeld is at the helm, 100%.

My only hope is that management at least utilizes the advantages that the CBA gives for guys coming off their rookie deals. There's no sense extending Beal's contract a year early, and there's no sense in giving him a max offer unless someone else does so and we decide to match. That may cause some tension between Beal and management, but hopefully that will be offset by the addition of Durant.

The only way we should consider offering a max contract without first waiting for the market to set his price is if he blows up this year and plays like a top 10 superstar. I don't really see that as being likely.

[montestewart]

What are the odds on Beal getting the max, too?

If Grunfeld is at the helm, 100%.

My only hope is that management at least utilizes the advantages that the CBA gives for guys coming off their rookie deals. There's no sense extending Beal's contract a year early, and there's no sense in giving him a max offer unless someone else does so and we decide to match. That may cause some tension between Beal and management, but hopefully that will be offset by the addition of Durant.

The only way we should consider offering a max contract without first waiting for the market to set his price is if he blows up this year and plays like a top 10 superstar. I don't really see that as being likely.

It's hard to see how owners/management end up treating individual players with such delicacy when they essentially broke the union, getting the players to surrender over 10% of their share of revenues.

[nuposse04]

What are the odds on Beal getting the max, too?

If Grunfeld is at the helm, 100%.

My only hope is that management at least utilizes the advantages that the CBA gives for guys coming off their rookie deals. There's no sense extending Beal's contract a year early, and there's no sense in giving him a max offer unless someone else does so and we decide to match. That may cause some tension between Beal and management, but hopefully that will be offset by the addition of Durant.

The only way we should consider offering a max contract without first waiting for the market to set his price is if he blows up this year and plays like a top 10 superstar. I don't really see that as being likely.

Hayward got offered the max, and the stats don't point to Gordon being anywhere near a max player. Nor is Beal. On "name" alone, I am fully sure Beal will be offered the max by someone. If we could extend him sooner under the current Max cap allotment before the next TV deal changes the cap (that is whats going to happen, right? More revenue=more % dollars for max players?) then I'd say it is worth considering. Still, I think he may be looking for maxish money cause he doesn't really get the kind of endorsement Wall does, so he'll maximize money where he can.

[nate33]

It's too soon to assume Beal is sure to get a max offer. Hayward got the max, but Bledsoe and Monroe didn't.

Also, the mechanics of the bidding process don't work out as you suggest. If Beal gets extended to a max contract a year early, he won't be offered a fixed dollar amount, he'll be offered a percentage of the cap with the actual dollar amount to be determined once his new contract actually kicks in.

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[rockymac52]

Temple officially signed.

2 years, about 1 million each year, player option 2nd year.

[montestewart]

Temple officially signed.

2 years, about 1 million each year, player option 2nd year.

Not specifically a swipe at Temple, but was there any competition for his services? Why the player option?

[Nivek]

Temple officially signed.

2 years, about 1 million each year, player option 2nd year.

Not specifically a swipe at Temple, but was there any competition for his services? Why the player option?

Because Wizards.

I understand Temple's a good guy and that Wittman likes him. But, there's absolutely no reason to give him an option year, even if it won't affect the team's (apparent) strategy of pursuing Durant in a couple years. It's a small thing, but it's still nonsensical.

[dckingsfan]

Temple officially signed.

2 years, about 1 million each year, player option 2nd year.

Not specifically a swipe at Temple, but was there any competition for his services? Why the player option?

Because Wizards.

I understand Temple's a good guy and that Wittman likes him. But, there's absolutely no reason to give him an option year, even if it won't affect the team's (apparent) strategy of pursuing Durant in a couple years. It's a small thing, but it's still nonsensical.

You look at this and at the Seraphin signing - and damn - those are really stupid moves.

[payitforward]

Temple officially signed.

2 years, about 1 million each year, player option 2nd year.

Not specifically a swipe at Temple, but was there any competition for his services? Why the player option?

Because Wizards.

I understand Temple's a good guy and that Wittman likes him. But, there's absolutely no reason to give him an option year, even if it won't affect the team's (apparent) strategy of pursuing Durant in a couple years. It's a small thing, but it's still nonsensical.

More of that 'don't-mess-w/-a-good-thing' jive -- continuity over quality.

[verbal8]

It's too soon to assume Beal is sure to get a max offer.

Hayward got the max, but Bledsoe and Monroe didn't.

If their teams(presumably Phoenix and Detroit) get discounts, it would be a pretty strong argument not to give them a max extension. The only real reason I see to give a max extension is to get a discount on the Derrick Rose max. Or if the guy is a no brainer 5 year max guy like Kevin Durant or Kevin Love(oops), and having them locked up long term makes the team an attractive destination.

[theboomking]

I'd love it if Cousins is frozen out too. same as his boy Jimmy Wall. He'll be all salty, the bad attitude may carry over into the season, he'll make a nuisance of himself for a while and advocate for switching teams again, and hey maybe a biased trade for a disgruntled Boogie is the back-up plan for KD. Though maybe that's one of those 'be careful what you wish for' situations...

I was thinking the other day that our back up plan probably should be Cousins. I think Cousins is very likely to want to leave Sacramento and would probably like playing with Wall again. It obviously isn't as good a get as KD, but Wall, Beal, Porter and Cousins is probably a perennial top 3 seed at least.

Also, I've noticed a couple of posters mourning the fact that we didn't make a play for Greg Monroe. Looking at Probasketballtalk, it appears that the Pacers have been shopping Hibbert. I think we could do worse than to make a play for him. Hibbert certainly laid an egg last year, but he is only 27 years old and 2 years ago Hibbert was a DPOY candidate on a dominant defensive team. Hibbert's contract also expires in 2015/16. I don't think Durant is going to string us along. If he isn't interested, we could always keep Hibbert and Roll with Wall, Beal, Porter, and Hibbert as our youngish core.

[Induveca]

Hibbert? Good God why would you want to pay near max money for a guy who basically fell off a cliff last season?

[theboomking]

Hibbert? Good God why would you want to pay near mac money for a guy who basically fell off a cliff last season?

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I'm not sure if I would want him or not, but unlike Monroe, at least Hibbert can protect the rim. Essentially, we would have to trade Nene. That makes us less deep at PF, and maybe not as good his year, but Hibbert is 2 years younger than Nene and 3 younger than Gortat. He would give us another relatively young piece in case we whiff on Durant. If Hibbert isn't good then the move still doesn't look that bad because it is relatively cap neutral. If Hibbert returns to his 2012/2013 form then the move is a coup. The board would have been clamouring to obtain Hibbert 2 years ago. I think he is the same player. Most of Indy's problems last year seemed mental. I think a change of scenery would benefit Roy.

That being said, I would be inclined not to make the move. Too much uncertainty and not quite enough upside.