Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[dckingsfan]

Melo, does not want to play here, he would probably veto any and all trades to the wizards.

Melo will love the Wizards. It will make Melo great again. The deal will be fantastic, trust me. (Using Trumps rhythm and EGs voice).

[stevemcqueen1]

Wonder if we could facilitate a Carmelo trade between the Clippers and Knicks where we snag Blake Griffin?

[Dark Faze]

Would love Melo if I knew he'd be a good soldier and accept his role as a super stretch 4 that averages 15 or less shots a game. But he's going to chuck.

[pcbothwel]

I dont really want Carmelo, he's over the hill and a chucker, but he's way better than Markieff. I wonder if we could package, Markieff, Mahinmi, and something else (a pick?) for him?

I feel like someone else could offer a better package, but I dont want to give up oubre or porter.

Really, "Way Better"?
Serious question. If the Markieff we've seen over the last 20+ games is more or less the Markieff we're getting for the next 2.5 years, is Melo really better when you consider age, salary, and defense?

It appears that Wall, Beal, and Otto have started to settle into their roles and Oubre has pushed Kieff to the 2nd unit more. Maybe its just another tale in the inconsistency/up-and-down career of Kieff, or maybe he has settled into a nice role for himself...

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So which 2015 free agent would've propelled us to a contender? Lol.

People whined about not resigning ariza but look what we have on the wing now..

Nat, there's only so much of this kind of stuff you can post here before people just put you on ignore, & you're no longer part of these conversations. I'd rather not see that happen.

Either a GM does a good job, or he does less than a good job, or he does a bad job in assessing/signing FAs. Nobody in his right mind could conclude that the decisions to sign Nicholson for 4 years, Smith for 3 years, & Mahinmi at an astounding salary were good decisions. Nobody could conclude that those signings have worked out well so far. Ditto the decision to trade an asset, any asset whatsoever, for Trey Burke was a good one.

As to what FAs we should have signed instead, there was extensive discussion of the subject here. There's no reason to rehash it.

People here routinely give Ernie credit for good decisions. For example, I thought trading up to pick Oubre was a very good move, & I said so at the time. I've also written -- repeatedly -- that Ernie deserves credit for finding McClellan. We pretty much all applauded the pick of Beal in 2012, & it's also clear that Porter was the right pick in 2013.

The problem is that there aren't enough of those good decisions, & there are too many crappy ones.

As to Ariza, we did try to re-sign him, & he chose to go to Houston. For that reason, as far as I recall, no one at all "whined" about our losing him. Did people say they'd wished we'd been able to retain him? Sure! A productive player on a value contract is an important asset.

For one thing, it helps you make trades. Here's a random example, if we'd had Ariza on board we certainly could have traded him, instead of a R1 lottery pick, for Markieff Morris.

Whether we have other good players at the wing now is irrelevant. You can't have too many good players!

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I don't agree that we are in 2d tier, but "tiers" are subjective enough that their breakdown tends towards some arbitrariness anyway. What I do agree with is that the last off season really damaged our ability to craft the roster going forward. This is a problem that needs to be solved.

We all agree that Beal is much improved, but he may offer the best opportunity to solve the problem. It's not that I want to trade him, but it might be the best move all the same. Not saying I'm sure of this, just wondering whether it's something to think about.

Would the 76ers see Bradley Beal as worth Noel, Richaun Holmes, T.J. McConnell, & their top R1 pick this year? Would we?

Even better would be to get Smith to them as well in that deal (on the assumption that they would not take Nicholson).

Obviously, Noel's likely next contract $$$ are critical in deciding on something like this. I wonder how much he'll command. Will someone offer him the max? Does every high pick coming off his rookie contract get it?

I doubt there's much appreciation for McConnell here, but in fact, aside from scoring he is really outstanding. He's played a lot of minutes; take a look at his numbers before any knee jerk reaction.

Obviously, we'd be faced with a big problem as to who'd play SG the rest of this year! Obviously as well, this ain't the kind of trade Ernie would be likely to make anyway!

Plus side is we could afford Porter; we'd have 2 pretty high draft picks from an outstanding draft, we'd have our backup point guard, we'd have a young & talented duo of bigs, & we'd be in a position to trade Gortat for a good young SG (assuming that's possible).

Terrible idea? Good idea but details wrong? Couldn't be done? What?

Then pick Monk with the Philly pick. I would do it. I think Philly would consider it. But I think there would be an uproar from the Bealodites.

Problem is that Sixers pick doesn't look as valuable as it did before. They currently would draft 8th based on today's standings and they are rising fast. Add Simmons and Beal and your looking at a late lottery or mid-1st rounder.

Beal isn't untouchable in my eyes but I wouldn't move him for Noel & spare parts at this stage. Maybe before this season I would have but not now. It would have to be for a star quality player.

I don't see Holmes, McConnell & the #8 pick as "spare parts," but you may be right all the same.

But, remember, my point was to try to solve the problem you mentioned: the salary/cap bind we're in:

...I desperately want an upgrade over Gortat/Morris but don't see an immediate option available. We can rule out Noel now. He'll cost too much next off-season to keep him and Otto. The worst part about last off-season, we now can't take on any salary because of Porter's impending deal and it pushing us to the lux tax. Any deal we make has to be salary neutral or save us some money.

You've pointed out that we'd never be able to deal Mahinmi now (& who knows when?). We don't want to move Porter or Wall. If Beal went for one star player -- presumably another guy making the max -- that wouldn't cut through your problem.

[gambitx777]

For one thing, it helps you make trades. Here's a random example, if we'd had Ariza on board we certainly could have traded him, instead of a R1 lottery pick, for Markieff Morris.

That right there would have been just too perfect !

[P'Oed]

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Wasn't sure where to put this one. Interesting though...

[Illmatic12]

Read on Twitter

Wasn't sure where to put this one. Interesting though...

He's surprisingly only 28yo

I don't know how to feel about the fact that he's only working out for teams that reside in weed-decriminalized states..

[AFM]

Read on Twitter

Wasn't sure where to put this one. Interesting though...

He's surprisingly only 28yo

I don't know how to feel about the fact that he's only working out for teams that reside in weed-decriminalized states..

Markieff is his dealer...

[Ruzious]

Read on Twitter

Wasn't sure where to put this one. Interesting though...

He's surprisingly only 28yo

I don't know how to feel about the fact that he's only working out for teams that reside in weed-decriminalized states..

Markieff is his dealer...

LOL!

Being a Bucks fan... this guys was worse trouble than Keiff. Yes, he probably had some chemical issues that were beyond his control, but this ain't child care. I wouldn't want him in the locker room. And while it's true that he's just 28, he really had just one half of a good season when he was in the NBA. He's very gifted defensively, but he was an awful offensive center - no touch and not good at setting picks. He can dunk - that's his only offensive skill.

[Dat2U]

Then pick Monk with the Philly pick. I would do it. I think Philly would consider it. But I think there would be an uproar from the Bealodites.

Problem is that Sixers pick doesn't look as valuable as it did before. They currently would draft 8th based on today's standings and they are rising fast. Add Simmons and Beal and your looking at a late lottery or mid-1st rounder.

Beal isn't untouchable in my eyes but I wouldn't move him for Noel & spare parts at this stage. Maybe before this season I would have but not now. It would have to be for a star quality player.

I don't see Holmes, McConnell & the #8 pick as "spare parts," but you may be right all the same.

But, remember, my point was to try to solve the problem you mentioned: the salary/cap bind we're in:

...I desperately want an upgrade over Gortat/Morris but don't see an immediate option available. We can rule out Noel now. He'll cost too much next off-season to keep him and Otto. The worst part about last off-season, we now can't take on any salary because of Porter's impending deal and it pushing us to the lux tax. Any deal we make has to be salary neutral or save us some money.

You've pointed out that we'd never be able to deal Mahinmi now (& who knows when?). We don't want to move Porter or Wall. If Beal went for one star player -- presumably another guy making the max -- that wouldn't cut through your problem.

It wouldn't be the 8th pick. More like a pick b/w 13-16. Beal & Simmons only will help their cause.

I don't share the love for McConnell you have. PGs that aren't offensive threats are not a commodity. McConnell is a pretty good defender and appears to be a competent backup. However he's a non-entity as a scorer. That means he's a guy defenses can ignore making it tougher for his teammates to score. I'd take him over Burke but I'd take a lot of NBDL players over Burke as well.

I like Holmes, but again, your talking about a guy that projects to being a backup.

Beal has become too valuable to trade for lesser pieces. At 23, he even has room to grow further. He's been a huge part of our recent success. I'd trade him for a star because a top heavy team can work if their best players are good enough and can stay healthy.

As far as the bench we can only hope Mahinmi gets healthy and looks solid enough to either trade or start for us which allows us then to move Gortat. Smith has played well enough that he might be movable at some point too.

[Kanyewest]

I don't agree that we are in 2d tier, but "tiers" are subjective enough that their breakdown tends towards some arbitrariness anyway. What I do agree with is that the last off season really damaged our ability to craft the roster going forward. This is a problem that needs to be solved.

We all agree that Beal is much improved, but he may offer the best opportunity to solve the problem. It's not that I want to trade him, but it might be the best move all the same. Not saying I'm sure of this, just wondering whether it's something to think about.

Would the 76ers see Bradley Beal as worth Noel, Richaun Holmes, T.J. McConnell, & their top R1 pick this year? Would we?

Even better would be to get Smith to them as well in that deal (on the assumption that they would not take Nicholson).

Obviously, Noel's likely next contract $$$ are critical in deciding on something like this. I wonder how much he'll command. Will someone offer him the max? Does every high pick coming off his rookie contract get it?

I doubt there's much appreciation for McConnell here, but in fact, aside from scoring he is really outstanding. He's played a lot of minutes; take a look at his numbers before any knee jerk reaction.

Obviously, we'd be faced with a big problem as to who'd play SG the rest of this year! Obviously as well, this ain't the kind of trade Ernie would be likely to make anyway!

Plus side is we could afford Porter; we'd have 2 pretty high draft picks from an outstanding draft, we'd have our backup point guard, we'd have a young & talented duo of bigs, & we'd be in a position to trade Gortat for a good young SG (assuming that's possible).

Terrible idea? Good idea but details wrong? Couldn't be done? What?

Then pick Monk with the Philly pick. I would do it. I think Philly would consider it. But I think there would be an uproar from the Bealodites.

Problem is that Sixers pick doesn't look as valuable as it did before. They currently would draft 8th based on today's standings and they are rising fast. Add Simmons and Beal and your looking at a late lottery or mid-1st rounder.

Beal isn't untouchable in my eyes but I wouldn't move him for Noel & spare parts at this stage. Maybe before this season I would have but not now. It would have to be for a star quality player.

Philly also has the Lakers' first round pick which is top 3 protected, but yeah I don't see that as enough given that the Lakers could be bad for a while meaning it could be some time until the Wizards see that pick which may not be as valuable. There is a good chance that Noel commands a big salary next offseason simply based on what centers got last offseason, although there are fewer teams with cap space.

Another option is trading Beal for to the Celtics for the Brooklyn pick and some other quality players and/or picks but I doubt that ever happens given the state of the rivalry. BTW, I can't remember the last time a player like Beal, on a playoff caliber team, was traded this early in his career for draft picks. Guys like Elton Brand and Shareef Abdur Rahim were in 2001 but their teams were rebuilding.

EDIT: Just thought of one, James Harden.

[Dat2U]

He's surprisingly only 28yo

I don't know how to feel about the fact that he's only working out for teams that reside in weed-decriminalized states..

Markieff is his dealer...

LOL!

Being a Bucks fan... this guys was worse trouble than Keiff. Yes, he probably had some chemical issues that were beyond his control, but this ain't child care. I wouldn't want him in the locker room. And while it's true that he's just 28, he really had just one half of a good season when he was in the NBA. He's very gifted defensively, but he was an awful offensive center - no touch and not good at setting picks. He can dunk - that's his only offensive skill.

He's an elite defender though. At least he was. One of the very best in the league before he retired. I think he'd be worth the risk. He'd probably take a roster spot from Ochefu or House. That's one more NBA quality player on the roster. It may mean that they are really concerned that Mahinmi is not coming back at all this year which is really bad news. Smith has played much better offensively but he's still a terrible defender who's a foul machine at the 5. Not for a lack of effort though. With Smith showing he can hit the corner 3... he's proven to be a better option at PF than Nicholson (I guess I was wrong about Smith capable of playing there - or watching Nicholson has made me lower my standards significantly). We do need another playable option in the front court. We've put a ton of miles on Gortat so far this season, it would be nice to have him somewhat fresh for the playoffs. If Sanders acts up he can be cut with the quickness so sign me up.

[pcbothwel]

Markieff is his dealer...

LOL!

Being a Bucks fan... this guys was worse trouble than Keiff. Yes, he probably had some chemical issues that were beyond his control, but this ain't child care. I wouldn't want him in the locker room. And while it's true that he's just 28, he really had just one half of a good season when he was in the NBA. He's very gifted defensively, but he was an awful offensive center - no touch and not good at setting picks. He can dunk - that's his only offensive skill.

He's an elite defender though. At least he was. One of the very best in the league before he retired. I think he'd be worth the risk. He'd probably take a roster spot from Ochefu or House. That's one more NBA quality player on the roster. It may mean that they are really concerned that Mahinmi is not coming back at all this year which is really bad news. Smith has played much better offensively but he's still a terrible defender who's a foul machine at the 5. Not for a lack of effort though. With Smith showing he can hit the corner 3... he's proven to be a better option at PF than Nicholson (I guess I was wrong about Smith capable of playing there - or watching Nicholson has made me lower my standards significantly). We do need another playable option in the front court. We've put a ton of miles on Gortat so far this season, it would be nice to have him somewhat fresh for the playoffs. If Sanders acts up he can be cut with the quickness so sign me up.

Yup, Im in. He is not the type of personality you can count on as a foundation/building block of your franchise, but he is far from a 'problem' child. He had an interview with VICE in August and really shows that he was someone who had anxiety/personal issues, not someone who just wanted to sit around and get high all day. He loves music/art/etc. and thats why he went to VCU in the first place. It appears he really dove head first into it after retirement and stayed busy since...
I kinda like him and think we have the right coach, team, and city to take him in.

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[J-Ves]

We do need rim protection pretty bad and Gortat has played an incredible amount of minutes this season, so sanders is a pretty good fit in that regard.

[Ruzious]

Did you really say he's far from a problem child. All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia page for a long list of problems he's had - and it doesn't even mention the fights he had with teammates. And he got a huge payoff for quitting on the Bucks. He's been the definition of a problem child.

And again, He had all of one half season that he was good in the NBA - and that got him the big mult-year contract that he quit on. He ain't worth it - even for the veteran minimum. This is a guy who said he didn't want to play basketball anymore. What's going to happen when he goes through a rough spell? That shouldn't be our problem.

[Ruzious]

We do need rim protection pretty bad and Gortat has played an incredible amount of minutes this season, so sanders is a pretty good fit in that regard.

That'd make sense if basketball was a platoon sport. For everything he did well on defense, he did at least as poorly on offense.

[Meliorus]

We do need rim protection pretty bad and Gortat has played an incredible amount of minutes this season, so sanders is a pretty good fit in that regard.

That'd make sense if basketball was a platoon sport. For everything he did well on defense, he did at least as poorly on offense.

Good thing we have a point guard named John Wall who got JaVale McGee to average 12 points per game. Signing Larry Sanders would be this year's Drew Gooden. A very Grunfeld move.

[NatP4]

Larry sanders was one of my favorite players at the time he was good, but this just sounds like a bad idea, especially if Mahinmi is about to return. We have good chemistry right now, we're playing hard, team is coming together, I probably don't do it.