Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Pointgod]

You come from a alien universe that is both bizarre and without a modicum of common sense. The reality is most of the Democratic World and Countries have aliened themselves against Donald Trump as a unpredictable and incoherent leader. You postulate conspiracy theories that right minded people feel are both foolish and racist.

I'm a Capitalist, Conservative Fiscally, Socially Liberal and a believer that the USA has the ability to right its "Ship of State". It might be a great idea to take a trip around the world see different retrospectives. Frankly you exhibit many of the Trumpian qualities rambling dialogue, narcissistic, egomaniac and absolutely no social conscious.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/30/1728716/-Did-Trump-now-about-Australia-s-spy-agency-notifying-the-FBI-from-the-start

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Australia is part the 5 eyes (Australia, NZ, Canada, UK & USA) and have a vested interest and obligation to share intelligence with each other. The interesting thing is that the FBI started the investigation 2 months before the Steeles Files. How much information other countries have given the FBI is obviously unknown.

Yup I understand that, but it should be a major red flag for the whole Russia is a nothingburger crowd. The fact that the Trump campaign knew Russia was in possession of stolen emails and failed to report it to the FBI. Even over a drunken conversation this was alarming enough for the Australian diplomat to alert the FBI but not the Trump camp? There’s certainly something fishy there.

[Pointgod]

Happy New Years to everyone!
This is obviously a big year in politics in the USA with midterms in both the House & Senate!
But likely just as important in Governors races with 36 to be decided. Currently the Republicans hold 33 and Democrats with 16 + 1 Independent.
Is 2018 also the year of the Woman? The Republicans have had difficulty in recruiting women candidates and some of those who have seats are in jeopardy. In the house the Democrats have 63 women of 198 members for about 32% of the caucus and the Republicans 22 out of 239 members for 9% of the caucus. In 270 to win 9 Republican Congress women are listed competitive house races or retired.
The Senate is similar with Democrats having 14 of 49 Senators and with Republicans 6 of 51 Senators.
While many of the polls just give base numbers looking at a recent poll by Quinnipiac is quite revealing with white college educated women 29% approve of Trump and 66% disapprove in white women overall across age groups 34% approve of Trump and 62% disapprove. The only demographic that still supports Trump is white men 55% to 42% and then only with men with high school or less.
Obviously there is 9 months to go till the midterms and the Democrats do hold a 13 point advantage over the Republicans currently. Plus the added fact is that more women vote than men which makes them a very important demographic.

What’s interesting is the number of house challengers in 2018 compared to the previous years. I’ve said this time and time again. If Democrats show up they win. If Democrats actually run challengers they’ll see results. How many Republicans over the years have been unchallenged?

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/11/16748716/chart-democrats-2018-midterms-elections

[verbal8]

Yup I understand that, but it should be a major red flag for the whole Russia is a nothingburger crowd. The fact that the Trump campaign knew Russia was in possession of stolen emails and failed to report it to the FBI. Even over a drunken conversation this was alarming enough for the Australian diplomat to alert the FBI but not the Trump camp? There’s certainly something fishy there.

It is quite obvious the Australians are jealous of Trump and this part of their Make Australia Great Again plot.

The alternate explanation would be that Trump cared more about winning than American national security.
Thankfully it looks like the Australians care more about honoring their commitments an ally, than about making Trump or Putin mad.

[Wizardspride]

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[I_Like_Dirt]

So, is this an opinion piece? I would say yes. I wouldn't say it belongs in the business section of the NY Times. I have been watching that section - which I would hope would be neutral - becoming very politicized. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/your-money/tax-break-giveitback.html

Definitely an opinion piece, but I don't think it's necessarily politicized in the way you're suggesting it's politicized. The whole "give it back" argument has been made for some time. Back when Warren Buffett pointed out that he paid a significantly lower % in taxes than his employees, all the tax cut hawks pointed out that people could simply give more in taxes if they really wanted to and that Buffett should do that rather than talk about tax increases on the wealthy.

The article you cited isn't the same kind of argument, but it also doesn't really seem to lean either direction too much and I get the impression than anyone that leans one way or the other is going to view that article as leaning a certain way - some believing it supports what they believe and others thinking it's the opposite. I mean, a lot of the support for tax cuts is that people will find more effective ways to use the money to stimulate the economy and help others than the government will. And while it's absolutely true that government hasn't been particularly efficient or effective on that front, the idea that private citizens will is a dubious proposition at best. I do think the author has a clear opinion overall, though, so definitely an opinion piece, and by definition an political one, but not a political one on party lines at present, as best I can tell. Does it belong in the business section of the NYT? I don't really care personally but at best it's opinion. I really don't see it as a big deal, though.

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Trump is a senile moron who is embarrassing the entire country.

[dckingsfan]

So, is this an opinion piece? I would say yes. I wouldn't say it belongs in the business section of the NY Times. I have been watching that section - which I would hope would be neutral - becoming very politicized. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/your-money/tax-break-giveitback.html

Definitely an opinion piece, but I don't think it's necessarily politicized in the way you're suggesting it's politicized. The whole "give it back" argument has been made for some time. Back when Warren Buffett pointed out that he paid a significantly lower % in taxes than his employees, all the tax cut hawks pointed out that people could simply give more in taxes if they really wanted to and that Buffett should do that rather than talk about tax increases on the wealthy.

The article you cited isn't the same kind of argument, but it also doesn't really seem to lean either direction too much and I get the impression than anyone that leans one way or the other is going to view that article as leaning a certain way - some believing it supports what they believe and others thinking it's the opposite. I mean, a lot of the support for tax cuts is that people will find more effective ways to use the money to stimulate the economy and help others than the government will. And while it's absolutely true that government hasn't been particularly efficient or effective on that front, the idea that private citizens will is a dubious proposition at best. I do think the author has a clear opinion overall, though, so definitely an opinion piece, and by definition an political one, but not a political one on party lines at present, as best I can tell. Does it belong in the business section of the NYT? I don't really care personally but at best it's opinion. I really don't see it as a big deal, though.

Really good points - and I like the article in general. It just seems the NYTimes runs these type of opinion pieces in the business section. Why not label them as such and have a business opinion section - not that hard to do

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Trump is a senile moron who is embarrassing the entire country.

LOL what an idiot that man is.

Kim Jong is right on one thing...Trump is truly a dotard.

[Pointgod]

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Trump is a senile moron who is embarrassing the entire country.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/02/media/donald-trump-tweets-fox-and-friends/index.html

When Trump is out of office there needs to be a media reckoning with Fox News. They are state run propaganda at this point and even more dangerous they have a direct line to the President. They have zero journalistic integrity or moral compass.

Just before 8 a.m. ET, Trump aimed his fury at "Crooked Hillary Clinton" and her longtime aide, Huma Abedin. Nearly an hour-and-a-half earlier, "Fox & Friends" had run a segment about Abedin.

[Ruzious]

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Trump is a senile moron who is embarrassing the entire country.

What goes around comes around. When Trump is out of office, I'd like to see the FBI send him to jail for any number of things - including his numerous conflicts of interests as President, tax evasion, treason, etc, etc, and... etc.

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Trump is a senile moron who is embarrassing the entire country.

What goes around comes around. When Trump is out of office, I'd like to see the FBI send him to jail for any number of things - including his numerous conflicts of interests as President, tax evasion, treason, etc, etc, and... etc.

And this is exactly how the right feels about almost the entire the Obama administration.

And most of the right is asleep on this they're just now figuring out how bad this corruption was with Obama's doj at the top.

I mean Lindsey Graham couldn't stand Trump. Disliked him to the core and even he is slowly unearthing how the obama doj was weaponize against Donald Trump.

The only interesting thing left to be discovered is if this was Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton that's soiled the Obama doj Administration or if it was Obama himself.

If it happened, and whatever the reasons, do you or do you not agree that this needs to be discovered? And the perps brought to justice??

And if Trump is done the same kinds of things that needs to be discovered as well.

See how that works folks? it's called negotiation and compromise.

Whoever is selling out the American interest the American taxpayer whoever is selling them out to foreign interest, they must be exposed every single one of them. And frankly stripped of their entire wealth and throw in jail. And stripped of all their future wealth.

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[verbal8]

The DOJ should be "weaponized" against criminals.

Based on what I seen I can conclude that Trump is unethical. I honestly don't know if Trump is criminal, clearly some of his associates are(2 guilty pleas). So an investigation Trump is exactly what should happen.

[stilldropin20]

The DOJ should be "weaponized" against criminals.

Based on what I seen I can conclude that Trump is unethical. I honestly don't know if Trump is criminal, clearly some of his associates are(2 guilty pleas). So an investigation Trump is exactly what should happen.

Bro, the outgoing regime illegally surveilled the incoming regime.

It happened.

The red flag that should be going off in your head is holy crap Donald Trump or whoever else can do this again and in the future. Weaponize his doj against an incoming regime that was duphily elected by the American people. It was the entire Obama doj that cooked up the entire Russian narrative. And at this point everyone knows it. Everyone.

That'd the true Russian scandal. And I've been laying out the evidence for months.

Meanwhile there is absolutely no evidence that Donald Trump or his team colluded with anyone. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

And here's the thing Donald Trump is clearly determined to get to the bottom of this. Once this Mueller thing is over sessions will be fired and he will bring in an attorney general that will get to the bottom of this.

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[cammac]

The DOJ should be "weaponized" against criminals.

Based on what I seen I can conclude that Trump is unethical. I honestly don't know if Trump is criminal, clearly some of his associates are(2 guilty pleas). So an investigation Trump is exactly what should happen.

Bro, the outgoing regime illegally surveilled the incoming regime.

It happened.

The red flag that should be going off in your head is holy crap Donald Trump or whoever else can do this again and in the future. Weaponize his doj against an incoming regime that was duphily elected by the American people. It was the entire Obama doj that cooked up the entire Russian narrative. And at this point everyone knows it. Everyone.

That'd the true Russian scandal. And I've been laying out the evidence for months.

Meanwhile there is absolutely no evidence that Donald Trump or his team colluded with anyone. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

And here's the thing Donald Trump is clearly determined to get to the bottom of this. Once this Mueller thing is over sessions will be fired and he will bring in an attorney general that will get to the bottom of this.

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So Australia is in league with the DOJ do you have any idea how moronic it sounds. You watch too much "Alt Right" propaganda! Can I ask a very simple question when has FOX NEWS ever broke a major story? We are not talking about the BS from "FOX & FRIENDS" which is a talk show who engages in fantasy. Mueller has had 4 charges laid already with 2 guilty pleas. How many years did it take for Ken Starr to investigate Bill Clinton and the best he got was evidence of a blow job which Clinton lied about!

If you can't see the difference shame on you! Obama even warned Trump about not hiring Flynn and DOJ warned the Trump administration that Flynn was compromised. Mueller and Comey are both Republicans and yes some investigators are Democrats so what! The DOJ and FBI are charged to go where the evidence leads them.
Expect more people indited in the new year and possibly members of the Trump family. Live in the fog of reality!

[stilldropin20]

So what you're saying, in the absolute worst case scenario...in the most guilty of scenarios...what you're saying is that the Trump campaign was aware that Russia hacked DNC and HRC emails? That's what you're saying right?

And that somehow someway the Trump campaign are guilty of something because they didn't turn that information over to the FBI?

That's the big Scandal here?

Do you or anyone really think that's a big deal? Especially compared to a weaponize doj at the highest of levels that allowed HRC to skate on some trees in his charges and made up information on Trump. Essentially the outgoing admin spied on and cooked up information made up stuff out of thin air against the incoming the incoming admin and in fact the president himself.

You guys don't see a problem here with any of this?

That's why we had Russia gate for 15 straight months?

And all based on some 30 year old snot-nosed Punk kid who got drunk in a bar in London???

And that punk kid already pleaded out. So if he had anyone to point fingers to he's already pointed those fingers. Simple as that. Justice will be served on that and 100%. that kid is already testified


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[stilldropin20]

The DOJ should be "weaponized" against criminals.

Based on what I seen I can conclude that Trump is unethical. I honestly don't know if Trump is criminal, clearly some of his associates are(2 guilty pleas). So an investigation Trump is exactly what should happen.

Bro, the outgoing regime illegally surveilled the incoming regime.

It happened.

The red flag that should be going off in your head is holy crap Donald Trump or whoever else can do this again and in the future. Weaponize his doj against an incoming regime that was duphily elected by the American people. It was the entire Obama doj that cooked up the entire Russian narrative. And at this point everyone knows it. Everyone.

That'd the true Russian scandal. And I've been laying out the evidence for months.

Meanwhile there is absolutely no evidence that Donald Trump or his team colluded with anyone. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

And here's the thing Donald Trump is clearly determined to get to the bottom of this. Once this Mueller thing is over sessions will be fired and he will bring in an attorney general that will get to the bottom of this.

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So Australia is in league with the DOJ do you have any idea how moronic it sounds. You watch too much "Alt Right" propaganda! Can I ask a very simple question when has FOX NEWS ever broke a major story? We are not talking about the BS from "FOX & FRIENDS" which is a talk show who engages in fantasy. Mueller has had 4 charges laid already with 2 guilty pleas. How many years did it take for Ken Starr to investigate Bill Clinton and the best he got was evidence of a blow job which Clinton lied about!

If you can't see the difference shame on you! Obama even warned Trump about not hiring Flynn and DOJ warned the Trump administration that Flynn was compromised. Mueller and Comey are both Republicans and yes some investigators are Democrats so what! The DOJ and FBI are charged to go where the evidence leads them.
Expect more people indited in the new year and possibly members of the Trump family. Live in the fog of reality!

Whatever Flynn's issues are he's already pleaded out and pointed fingers to ever he's going to point them to. I'm interested to see the dust settle and see where these fingers point.

And if these fingers Point nowhere then it's time to investigate the outgoing doj fully and thoroughly.

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[cammac]

Some Doug Jones news!
Doug Jones realized who was most instrumental in getting him elected. We need more minorities in power positions.

Sen.-elect Doug Jones (D-Ala.) has hired former transportation official and congressional aide Dana Gresham as his new chief of staff.
Jones will be the only Senate Democrat to have an African-American chief of staff once Gresham comes on board. Two Senate Republicans, Sens. Tim Scott of South Carolina and Jerry Moran of Kansas, have black chiefs of staff. ...

Jones has made hiring a diverse staff a priority since he staged an upset win over Republican Roy Moore in last month's special Senate election in Alabama.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/2/1729249/-Doug-Jones-hires-black-COS-Is-Democratic-Party-Establishment-seeing-the-light

Remember Roy Moore's wife stating we have a Jewish lawyer so we are prejudice. Well that Jewish lawyer voted for Doug Jones.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/2/1729254/-ABSOLUTELY-PERFECT-Roy-Moore-s-Jewish-lawyer-voted-for-Doug-Jones-raised-money-for-his-campaign

Really technically he was good old pedophile Roy's sons lawyer!

[cammac]

The Republican Party is doomed to the ash heap of power it is just a matter of when! In 2015 the majority of babies born the USA were minority babies 1.995 million to 1.982 million non Hispanic whites.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-official-minority-babies-are-the-majority-among-the-nations-infants-but-only-just/
Plus if current polls are correct the independent Quinnipiac Poll the Highest demographic for the Republican Party is 50 to 64 43% Over 65 40%. The 18 to 34 group is the lowest at 25%. The Republican Party has 4% Black and 26% Hispanic support. Plus White Women support at 34% so again it should be doom and gloom because immigration policies are alienating even more minority voters.
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us12192017_ut17754.pdf/

[Wizardspride]

MUST READ


Fusion GPS founders OP ED.

(They want all 21hrs of their testimony released)

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The intelligence committees have known for months that credible allegations of collusion between the Trump camp and Russia were pouring in from independent sources during the campaign. Yet lawmakers in the thrall of the president continue to wage a cynical campaign to portray us as the unwitting victims of Kremlin disinformation.

We suggested investigators look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump’s businesses. Congress appears uninterested in that tip: Reportedly, ours are the only bank records the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed.

We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.

[stilldropin20]

The Republican Party is doomed to the ash heap of power it is just a matter of when! In 2015 the majority of babies born the USA were minority babies 1.995 million to 1.982 million non Hispanic whites.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-official-minority-babies-are-the-majority-among-the-nations-infants-but-only-just/
Plus if current polls are correct the independent Quinnipiac Poll the Highest demographic for the Republican Party is 50 to 64 43% Over 65 40%. The 18 to 34 group is the lowest at 25%. The Republican Party has 4% Black and 26% Hispanic support. Plus White Women support at 34% so again it should be doom and gloom because immigration policies are alienating even more minority voters.
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us12192017_ut17754.pdf/

There is no reason for minoroties to stay with the Democrats. Republicans simply need to expand their platform and make it work for minorities.

Republicans and minorities are actually a natural fit because most minorities are extremely religious or at least somewhat religious where Democrats are more and more atheist

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