Political Roundtable Part XXV

[gtn130]

Like most conservatives popper is constantly pretending he’s some staunch and principled independent when he can’t help but tell on himself with all of the right wing garbage he inadvertently dumps on the thread.

He’s literally up to his eyeballs in Fox News.

[gtn130]

popper do you have any idea how strung out on right wing media you have to be to think that the state of California is a bad place to live?

[popper]

popper do you have any idea how strung out on right wing media you have to be to think that the state of California is a bad place to live?

It's not right wing media gtn. It's a CNBC report of a poll.

Fifty-three percent say they are considering fleeing, representing a jump over the 49 percent a year ago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/growing-number-of-californians-considering-moving-from-state-survey.html

[gtn130]

yes dude it’s **** expensive as hell to live there because - get this - there are lots of jobs and wealthy people and great cities and great weather and top tier universities.

Like yeah sure SF is prohibitively expensive these days. It’s also the preeminent tech hub in the entire world. Get a clue man

[gtn130]

CNBC: Many are leaving the SF Bay area because of the sky high costs of living due to the immense concentration of wealth and limited housing supply

popper: “wow what a hellhole. i hear they’re also shoveling **** on their mobile apps!”

[popper]

CNBC: Many are leaving the SF Bay area because of the sky high costs of living due to the immense concentration of wealth and limited housing supply

popper: “wow what a hellhole. i hear they’re also shoveling **** on their mobile apps!”

yeah - I used to love CA when I lived there in the 80's. What is happening there now is not sustainable.


California Companies Flee Business-Hostile State In Droves
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/california-companies-leave-taxes/

Business Exodus From California Is More Troubling Than Sanctuary Policies

https://chiefexecutive.net/business-exodus-california-troubling-sanctuary-policies/

Two dozen companies commit to leaving California
https://www.kcra.com/article/two-dozen-companies-commit-to-leaving-california-1/6402348

Bay Area exodus: Here are the companies that have moved headquarters or opened offices out of California
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/10/09/bay-area-exodus-headquarters-move.html

[pancakes3]

um, are any of those exodus studies tied to "open borders" ?
does open borders = automatic citizenship?
even buying into the anchor baby discussion, why assume that those fully assimilated brown people will automatically vote blue by default?

i'll come out and say that i'm pro-open borders but equating that stance as some sort of conspiracy to inject partisan voters really dumbs down the discussion into partisan mudslinging.

just as an example, what exactly is partisan or intrinsically R/D about legislating a temporary (1-3 year) work visas for government-sponsored infrastructure-building make-work programs? or seasonal agriculture workers? or removing the H1B cap for advanced degree holders? if voter demographic shifts are a concern, that can also be addressed by slowing the flow of green card holders to citizenship.

[queridiculo]

It’s true that many R business executives and politicians want open borders as well for cheap labor. That doesn’t change my assertion that D leadership wants open borders to gain and sustain power. You’re real brave with the name calling, safe in your anonymity and hidden from any risk of a broken or shattered jaw.

Oh oh, internet tough guy alert, run and hide your children!

[montestewart]

California used to be a good place to live. Then they let the Okies in.

[popper]

um, are any of those exodus studies tied to "open borders" ?
does open borders = automatic citizenship?
even buying into the anchor baby discussion, why assume that those fully assimilated brown people will automatically vote blue by default?

i'll come out and say that i'm pro-open borders but equating that stance as some sort of conspiracy to inject partisan voters really dumbs down the discussion into partisan mudslinging.

just as an example, what exactly is partisan or intrinsically R/D about legislating a temporary (1-3 year) work visas for government-sponsored infrastructure-building make-work programs? or seasonal agriculture workers? or removing the H1B cap for advanced degree holders? if voter demographic shifts are a concern, that can also be addressed by slowing the flow of green card holders to citizenship.

I appreciate the thoughtful response pancakes. I support temporary work visas and policies to attract those that can benefit our economy without pushing wages lower for Americans. We need a measured and steady influx of vetted and productive foreign workers without question. Unfortunately congress appears unable to develop such a plan.

Instead our current policies incentivize caravans of poor under-educated people to enter our country through ports of entry, and once in, claim asylum and neglect to return for their adjudication hearings. Others enter illegally, claim asylum if caught, or evade authorities altogether and disappear into the interior.

Regarding the partisan nature of the issue, I won’t rehash what I’ve already posted other than to say that Pelosi and Sanders have stated unequivocally that law abiding and undocumented emigrants should not be deported. I appreciate their honesty but if that’s going to be their policy then multitudes will seek to enter the country by any means possible. I don’t think that’s good for the country.

[popper]

Gentlemen - I'm sorry if my opinions have offended any of you. I should never have allowed myself to reenter the gauntlet. I'm sure you'd rather converse with like-minded participants and be done with my stirring of the pot. I'll retreat now to my perch on the balcony overlooking the Atlantic Ocean to the left and the Intracoastal waterway to the right. Life is good, beautiful sunrise over the ocean and the dolphin pods have been active this morning. Thinking a Bloody Mary might be just what I need to start the day. Best to all of you.

[montestewart]

Hey everybody, watch the name calling. If you disagree w/ Popper, give him some links to some alternative perspectives. Maybe he'll read them, and if not him, maybe someone else who needs them will.

[dckingsfan]

popper do you have any idea how strung out on right wing media you have to be to think that the state of California is a bad place to live?

Well, that all depends. Are we talking about Fresno

Years ago I moved out of the Sacramento area because the air quality was so bad in the central valley. And many of the schools in CA truly suck. I also lived in the valley when you couldn't see the mountains because the smog was so thick.

So, I think parts of CA are amazing if you have money. And parts suck. But CA is huge. So, saying it is great or saying its bad - well, it isn't either - its both.

[dckingsfan]

One take on immigration policy:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/

[gtn130]

popper do you have any idea how strung out on right wing media you have to be to think that the state of California is a bad place to live?

Well, that all depends. Are we talking about Fresno

Years ago I moved out of the Sacramento area because the air quality was so bad in the central valley. And many of the schools in CA truly suck. I also lived in the valley when you couldn't see the mountains because the smog was so thick.

So, I think parts of CA are amazing if you have money. And parts suck. But CA is huge. So, saying it is great or saying its bad - well, it isn't either - its both.

Yes, CA is a big place. On balance it's one of the best places to live in the entire world, and that isn't a controversial take. Popper was basically describing it as some type of slum.

[montestewart]

popper do you have any idea how strung out on right wing media you have to be to think that the state of California is a bad place to live?

Well, that all depends. Are we talking about Fresno

Years ago I moved out of the Sacramento area because the air quality was so bad in the central valley. And many of the schools in CA truly suck. I also lived in the valley when you couldn't see the mountains because the smog was so thick.

So, I think parts of CA are amazing if you have money. And parts suck. But CA is huge. So, saying it is great or saying its bad - well, it isn't either - its both.

Yes, CA is a big place. On balance it's one of the best places to live in the entire world, and that isn't a controversial take. Popper was basically describing it as some type of slum.

I have some very conservative relatives who live in California and have the money to relocate if they wanted to. They don't. Must be something about the place that attracts them.

[dckingsfan]

popper do you have any idea how strung out on right wing media you have to be to think that the state of California is a bad place to live?

Well, that all depends. Are we talking about Fresno

Years ago I moved out of the Sacramento area because the air quality was so bad in the central valley. And many of the schools in CA truly suck. I also lived in the valley when you couldn't see the mountains because the smog was so thick.

So, I think parts of CA are amazing if you have money. And parts suck. But CA is huge. So, saying it is great or saying its bad - well, it isn't either - its both.

Yes, CA is a big place. On balance it's one of the best places to live in the entire world, and that isn't a controversial take. Popper was basically describing it as some type of slum.

Gotcha… not sure I agree "on balance". I think it depends on your situation. If for example, you are raising kids without much money, I would argue not.

If you are single and making even a reasonable income and live in SD - damn right.

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