Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[jangles86]

With KAT back for Minny I would be going to Warriors and asking for a package for Beal starting at the lines of:
Wiseman
Wiggins
Minnys 2021 1st
Warriors 2022 1st
Warriors 2024 1st

[gambitx777]

Take wiggins out for oubre and maybe add a pick either future or a second or two. The wizards don't need to add any long term money if they are trading beal.

With KAT back for Minny I would be going to Warriors and asking for a package for Beal starting at the lines of:
Wiseman
Wiggins
Minnys 2021 1st
Warriors 2022 1st
Warriors 2024 1st

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[pcbothwel]

With KAT back for Minny I would be going to Warriors and asking for a package for Beal starting at the lines of:
Wiseman
Wiggins
Minnys 2021 1st
Warriors 2022 1st
Warriors 2024 1st

I have my thoughts about this package in terms of value, but GSW cant trade their 2022 1st because they dont have a 2021 1st and they already traded their 2024 1st to Memphis.

[FAH1223]

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[Dark Faze]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

[nate33]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I don't see any way Golden State makes that trade with Oubre as the filler. The cost of paying both Wiggins and Beal (and Curry, Klay and Green) is absurd. We're talking something like $225M in luxtax fees next year. They would effectively be paying $150M PER YEAR for Beal to join the team.

The filler has to be Wiggins, or Klay. I'm okay with it. Wiggins' contract is up when Westbrook's is, so it's not like we're going to have any cap flexibility in the meantime. And Wiggins is becoming a useful basketball player, albeit overpaid.

I'd definitely try and package Wiseman and the Minny pick to land a higher pick.

[Ruzious]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I don't see any way Golden State makes that trade with Oubre as the filler. The cost of paying both Wiggins and Beal (and Curry, Klay and Green) is absurd. We're talking something like $225M in luxtax fees next year. They would effectively be paying $150M PER YEAR for Beal to join the team.

The filler has to be Wiggins, or Klay. I'm okay with it. Wiggins' contract is up when Westbrook's is, so it's not like we're going to have any cap flexibility in the meantime. And Wiggins is becoming a useful basketball player, albeit overpaid.

I'd definitely try and package Wiseman and the Minny pick to land a higher pick.

Agreed - filler will be Wiggins if there's a Beal trade with Minny. The keys are we get the Minny pick and Wiseman. Then we have several options of what to do with those assets with varying degrees of excitement. I see the importance of waiting for the right GM to execute said options.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I don't see any way Golden State makes that trade with Oubre as the filler. The cost of paying both Wiggins and Beal (and Curry, Klay and Green) is absurd. We're talking something like $225M in luxtax fees next year. They would effectively be paying $150M PER YEAR for Beal to join the team.

The filler has to be Wiggins, or Klay. I'm okay with it. Wiggins' contract is up when Westbrook's is, so it's not like we're going to have any cap flexibility in the meantime. And Wiggins is becoming a useful basketball player, albeit overpaid.

I'd definitely try and package Wiseman and the Minny pick to land a higher pick.

I think we should do everything we possibly can to come out of this draft with Mobley and Suggs.

[pcbothwel]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I got one worse. They move that pick (Probably in a three we deal) that gets them a perfect big next to KAT. I think Ben Simmons would a PERFECT fit next to KAT. Add him and another year of Edwards getting a little better, and that team is easily top 20 in the league and that pick is around 12-15.

[nate33]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I got one worse. They move that pick (Probably in a three we deal) that gets them a perfect big next to KAT. I think Ben Simmons would a PERFECT fit next to KAT. Add him and another year of Edwards getting a little better, and that team is easily top 20 in the league and that pick is around 12-15.

Why would Philly trade Simmons when they look like the best team in the East?

[pcbothwel]

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I got one worse. They move that pick (Probably in a three we deal) that gets them a perfect big next to KAT. I think Ben Simmons would a PERFECT fit next to KAT. Add him and another year of Edwards getting a little better, and that team is easily top 20 in the league and that pick is around 12-15.

Why would Philly trade Simmons when they look like the best team in the East?

Because winning regular season games means nothing. They've finished 3rd twice and 6th last year and still havent even made it to the conference finals. If they finish 1st and lose to Boston/Brooklyn in the 2nd round, then they need to do something. They have 100M committed to 3 guys for the next 3 years+.
Obviously they wouldnt trade him for picks, which is why I mentioned a 3 way trade where another team sends the sixers another player. Maybe even a Beal trade makes sense then...

[Dark Faze]

The filler has to be Wiggins, or Klay. I'm okay with it. Wiggins' contract is up when Westbrook's is, so it's not like we're going to have any cap flexibility in the meantime. And Wiggins is becoming a useful basketball player, albeit overpaid.

I'd definitely try and package Wiseman and the Minny pick to land a higher pick.

I'm not interested in doing GS any favors. The price of moving one of those big contracts for GS is easily a pick + swaps. Why should we take that on for free? That's not the way to do business at all.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Maybe we can do something like this... ?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7396063

Beal & Bertans to GS for Wiseman, Wiggins, GS 1st, MN 1st

With our pick we take Mobley.

Then we deal Wiseman + MN pick + our 2nd round (31) to Thunder for their 2 1st round picks. With these picks we take Suggs (4) and Moody (9).

GS 1st rounder we take Garuba.


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Move forward with a foundation of Suggs, Moody, Troy Brown Jr, Bonga, Avdija, Hachimura, Garuba, Bryant, Mobley

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[NatP4]

Can we add some sort of stipulation that further compensates us if the Minnesota pick turns into a 2022 1st?

Also, I would do the deal and simply trade down from 4-5 if the top 2-3 guys are off the board. NY might have a couple picks in the 7-12 range that will be highly valuable.

We could end up at #4 and Suggs realistically could fall to us. We could very well end up top 3 with our own pick and Mobley falls behind Cunningham to us. The GS pick that is currently 19th overall has Jared Butler written all over it.

If you trade down for the NY picks which are currently 9&12, you could select both Franz Wagner&Jared Butler to go along with Mobley.

I’m making the pick at 4 if Suggs or Kuminga drops.

[FAH1223]

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[nate33]

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Leonsis doesn't deserve Beal.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

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Leonsis doesn't deserve Beal.

Gotta admire Brad, he's been everything we could ever hope for.

Unfortunately, at this point, this team is a lost cause.

[WallToWall]

This organization doesn't deserve Beal. So far, Beal has shown a level of desire and commitment to this organization, the team, and his teammates, that is exemplary. In order to deserve this, the organization must do what is necessary to build around him.

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[gambitx777]

They could always burn a first to move green I mean yeah that sucks and all but you can add a quality center off the biy out market to replace wiseman and of clay come back next you you have one of the best 1-3 in the league. Maybe if they toss a first at chicago they could get porter jr or tossed a first at huston they could get victor.

GS offers the same package for Beal except you either get an expiring in Oubre if done by the deadline or are forced to take on a player that would cost a GS first and a future pick swap to move in Wiggins.

If that Minny pick turns into a '22 pick due to picking up one of Suggs, Mobley, or Cade, we're going to be frustrated. Sure, they'll still be bad enough for the pick to hold value next year (its unprotected), but you never know what can happen in a year in combination with a talent on a top 3 pick level. If a smart GM gets in there that pick could suddenly be late lottery in 22.

I don't see any way Golden State makes that trade with Oubre as the filler. The cost of paying both Wiggins and Beal (and Curry, Klay and Green) is absurd. We're talking something like $225M in luxtax fees next year. They would effectively be paying $150M PER YEAR for Beal to join the team.

The filler has to be Wiggins, or Klay. I'm okay with it. Wiggins' contract is up when Westbrook's is, so it's not like we're going to have any cap flexibility in the meantime. And Wiggins is becoming a useful basketball player, albeit overpaid.

I'd definitely try and package Wiseman and the Minny pick to land a higher pick.

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[lastemp3ror]

This organization doesn't deserve Beal. So far, Beal has shown a level of desire and commitment to this organization, the team, and his teammates, that is exemplary. In order to deserve this, the organization must do what is necessary to build around him.

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Leonsis doesn't deserve Beal.

I am willing to bet the house that the main reason he wants to stay is that he doesn't want to abandon his friend, Westbrook, after convincing Westbrook that they could make Washington into a solid team together. If the Westbrook trade didn't happen, Beal would be gone by the trade deadline. I feel very confident in that.

Edit: Let me also add that Beal probably also convinced management as well about the great tandem he and Westbrook would make. I think he doesn't want to break all the promises he made and thus make himself look bad. He is trying to salvage all of it.